Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by NATO AIR, Oct 10, 2006.
The time has come for Iraqis to stand up for their country or say goodbye to America.
Pretty interesting column.
Indeed the growing feeling among many in this country seems to be along the lines of the "Iraqis are not anywhere near pulling their weight" and are in fact using our training, our protection and our money to pursue tribal, religious and personal vendettas. The time has come for the US to throw the gauntlet down. Iraq will be a defeat for the US, but a far larger defeat for Arabs and Iraqis. Despite our many mistakes in the beginning, we're literally on the top of our game now and its just not enough, not enough when the people you are trying to help are more interested in killing each other than saving a nation they don't even believe in.
Nato, Do you really feel this way?
Defeat? That hardly describes what would happen if America pulled out. America's departure is exactly want the terrorists want. And you think we should give it to them? Great. Then Iraq can be used as an industrial sized Afghanistan with money from which future attacks can be launched against Americans. The government has been in power less than six months and you want to abandon the 12 million Iraqis who voted in their elections? Abandon them to a huge increase in bloody violence and the murder squads that roam the streets? We have a moral obligation to finish what we started. Further, America leaving Iraq would put our most virulent enemy, Iran, in the driver's seat and turn the fanatical Mullahs into a Middle East superpower. Bush senior abandoned the Kurds once before back in 1991, there is no way we can honorably do that again.
NATO's got a great point: at what point in time do we let the Iraqis have their country to run as they see fit? Is it after a government is in place? After enough troops are trained? After we feel "safe" that no terrorists are left in Iraq? When?
Not to mention what every lefty in this country wants. In their eyes, it vindicates all the lies and whining they've been doing the past 3 years.
When the Iraqi government can stand on its own. If it takes 5 years, fine. If it takes twenty, fine. Have we come this far to bail out in the middle of the game?
Exactly. Honestly, yes it's not a great situation we're in right now, but we're in it and we need to finish it. Leaving Iraq now would make America look 10 times as bad then if we just stayed there and did what we said we were going to do, which I have no idea how that is bad but the libs like to think that it's sooo bad.
It's bad in the sense that we are so busy "winning hearts and minds" and being held to a standard Christ himself couldn't improve upon, that we're ignoring the reality of who is doing the fighting and why, and what needs to be done about it.
SUre, there may be some tribal BS going down under the name of "insurgency". That is a compeltely separate issue from Iran and Syria flooding Iraq with religious terrorists bent on maintaining disorder if they can't have control.
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