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Weird, huh?
And yet there is no arguing that the glaciers are shrinking... Florida looks 'normal', at least regarding the tide lines on the piers and stuff; maybe the world is leaning to the left.
-Joe
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
Isn't arguing against living cleaner in terms of the fuel we burn kind of like arguing that the sheets don't need changing 'cause their not wet on my side?
Seems to me like we should be looking for cleaner ways to power our society because not doing so makes the air foul. That makes sense to me even if there is no other valid reason for doing so.
Before the environmental protection laws of the 70's there were days in Denver CO that kids couldn't go outside to play because he air was brown. (No link required... I was there.)
Genesis Chapter 2 - God gave Adam two things to do: Name the Animals and Tend the Garden. (Hey, just because I'm not a believer, doesn't mean I can't appreciate the plethora of cool things mentioned in The Bible....)
Outside of baseball, one out of two is a piss-poor record.
-Joe
The brown cloud still comes around every winter. It's as much a product of the inversion layers in mountainous terrain as anything else.Isn't arguing against living cleaner in terms of the fuel we burn kind of like arguing that the sheets don't need changing 'cause their not wet on my side?
Seems to me like we should be looking for cleaner ways to power our society because not doing so makes the air foul. That makes sense to me even if there is no other valid reason for doing so.
Before the environmental protection laws of the 70's there were days in Denver CO that kids couldn't go outside to play because he air was brown. (No link required... I was there.)
Genesis Chapter 2 - Gods gave Adam two things to do: Name the Animals and Tend the Garden. (Hey, just because I'm not a believer, doesn't mean I can't appreciate the plethora of cool things mentioned in The Bible....)
Outside of baseball, one out of two is a piss-poor record.
-Joe
Just for the sake of clarity, 40% of .04% is statistically insignificant and is in no way indicative of the source.
Just for the sake of clarity, 40% of .04% is statistically insignificant and is in no way indicative of the source.
The source is the 8 billion tons of CO2 we produce every year.
Sez you.Just for the sake of clarity, 40% of .04% is statistically insignificant and is in no way indicative of the source.
The source is the 8 billion tons of CO2 we produce every year.
What's more appalling is the willful scaremongering by the neo-Malthusian declinists.
LOL! Baffling yourself with BS? It was cute though.
Um ... no.
The "dire predictions" by these same scientists have not held any mustard at all. Not once. Each decade they move the goal posts to make more predictions ... which eventually fail as well. Then they push for legislation to promote specific products and services by force, which would never succeed on the open market with real competition because they are actually more harmful than beneficial. Seriously ... these "energy efficient" bulbs contain very hazardous chemicals, and breaking one can kill you ... anyone who lets kids even close to these should be locked up for child abuse, but they are now pushing to have them required by law. Corn fuel kills food production, seriously, just for a few autos to go a few miles, but they are pushing that one to. Recycling plants actually cause more pollution compared to other factories, the need for less virgin material only balances it out. Want willfully ignorant, look in the mirror.
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
Isn't arguing against living cleaner in terms of the fuel we burn kind of like arguing that the sheets don't need changing 'cause their not wet on my side?
Seems to me like we should be looking for cleaner ways to power our society because not doing so makes the air foul. That makes sense to me even if there is no other valid reason for doing so.
Before the environmental protection laws of the 70's there were days in Denver CO that kids couldn't go outside to play because he air was brown. (No link required... I was there.)
Genesis Chapter 2 - God gave Adam two things to do: Name the Animals and Tend the Garden. (Hey, just because I'm not a believer, doesn't mean I can't appreciate the plethora of cool things mentioned in The Bible....)
Outside of baseball, one out of two is a piss-poor record.
-Joe
Got Links?
You must offer what you ask for, or admit hypocrisy now.
I don't care about your christian mythology, that has no weight on my life and never will. What I do care about is science here, this topic specifically, and the science as a whole does not support the environut contentions, only one tiny part of science does if you ignore the rest of it.
Sez you.Just for the sake of clarity, 40% of .04% is statistically insignificant and is in no way indicative of the source.
The source is the 8 billion tons of CO2 we produce every year.
Billions of tons are also created by completely natural organic processes as well.
But that still doesn't explain (yet again) how 40% of .04% is statistically significant, viz the other 99.96%
Dang, you stupes claimed for years there was no warming occurring, then when everyone could see the obvious, you claim that it has natural causes. Then you are stupid enough to claim it is cooling, even thought the average is still going up.
By all your asanine "global cooling" predictions, we should be seeing some very cold years in the next five years. What we will see is years that will exceed 1998 and 2005.
The melting of the Arctic permafrost was predicted by the scientists that study the Artic, based on the effect of the GHGs that we are putting into the atmosphere. Same for the ice in the Arctic Ocean, Greenland, and Antarctica. You silly "skeptics" missed on all counts.
To which "stupes" are you referring, asshelmet??Dang, you stupes claimed for years there was no warming occurring, then when everyone could see the obvious, you claim that it has natural causes. Then you are stupid enough to claim it is cooling, even thought the average is still going up.
By all your asanine "global cooling" predictions, we should be seeing some very cold years in the next five years. What we will see is years that will exceed 1998 and 2005.
The melting of the Arctic permafrost was predicted by the scientists that study the Artic, based on the effect of the GHGs that we are putting into the atmosphere. Same for the ice in the Arctic Ocean, Greenland, and Antarctica. You silly "skeptics" missed on all counts.
Sez you.Just for the sake of clarity, 40% of .04% is statistically insignificant and is in no way indicative of the source.
The source is the 8 billion tons of CO2 we produce every year.
Billions of tons are also created by completely natural organic processes as well.
But that still doesn't explain (yet again) how 40% of .04% is statistically significant, viz the other 99.96%
Bummer.The brown cloud still comes around every winter. It's as much a product of the inversion layers in mountainous terrain as anything else.Isn't arguing against living cleaner in terms of the fuel we burn kind of like arguing that the sheets don't need changing 'cause their not wet on my side?
Seems to me like we should be looking for cleaner ways to power our society because not doing so makes the air foul. That makes sense to me even if there is no other valid reason for doing so.
Before the environmental protection laws of the 70's there were days in Denver CO that kids couldn't go outside to play because he air was brown. (No link required... I was there.)
Genesis Chapter 2 - Gods gave Adam two things to do: Name the Animals and Tend the Garden. (Hey, just because I'm not a believer, doesn't mean I can't appreciate the plethora of cool things mentioned in The Bible....)
Outside of baseball, one out of two is a piss-poor record.
-Joe
On top of that, technology could be just as much of an explanation as any laws. Most modern engines get significantly more horsepower per cubic inch, and therefore burn their fuel more completely.
Sez you.The source is the 8 billion tons of CO2 we produce every year.
Billions of tons are also created by completely natural organic processes as well.
But that still doesn't explain (yet again) how 40% of .04% is statistically significant, viz the other 99.96%
Shit man, you are one fucking dumb bastard. There have been links posted here repeatedly from physicists that explain exactly how the Greenhouse Gases operate. That you have failed either to read them or understand them demonstrates either willfull ignorance or a basic lack of intellect.
Bummer.The brown cloud still comes around every winter. It's as much a product of the inversion layers in mountainous terrain as anything else.Isn't arguing against living cleaner in terms of the fuel we burn kind of like arguing that the sheets don't need changing 'cause their not wet on my side?
Seems to me like we should be looking for cleaner ways to power our society because not doing so makes the air foul. That makes sense to me even if there is no other valid reason for doing so.
Before the environmental protection laws of the 70's there were days in Denver CO that kids couldn't go outside to play because he air was brown. (No link required... I was there.)
Genesis Chapter 2 - Gods gave Adam two things to do: Name the Animals and Tend the Garden. (Hey, just because I'm not a believer, doesn't mean I can't appreciate the plethora of cool things mentioned in The Bible....)
Outside of baseball, one out of two is a piss-poor record.
-Joe
On top of that, technology could be just as much of an explanation as any laws. Most modern engines get significantly more horsepower per cubic inch, and therefore burn their fuel more completely.
Whether it was the environmental laws or dumb luck there is nothing wrong with living cleaner. The problem with modern sewage systems is that people think their shit 'goes away'.
Lets keep those reasons to trim pollution coming!
-Joe
Sez you.
Billions of tons are also created by completely natural organic processes as well.
But that still doesn't explain (yet again) how 40% of .04% is statistically significant, viz the other 99.96%
Shit man, you are one fucking dumb bastard. There have been links posted here repeatedly from physicists that explain exactly how the Greenhouse Gases operate. That you have failed either to read them or understand them demonstrates either willfull ignorance or a basic lack of intellect.
And yet historically temperature does not follow CO2, CO2 follows temperature. Go figure. I guess whom ever compiled that scientific data was really on big oils pay roll right?
Further DUMB ASS, CO2 is still increasing but temperature is not, explain that.
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
Isn't arguing against living cleaner in terms of the fuel we burn kind of like arguing that the sheets don't need changing 'cause their not wet on my side?
Seems to me like we should be looking for cleaner ways to power our society because not doing so makes the air foul. That makes sense to me even if there is no other valid reason for doing so.
Before the environmental protection laws of the 70's there were days in Denver CO that kids couldn't go outside to play because he air was brown. (No link required... I was there.)
Genesis Chapter 2 - God gave Adam two things to do: Name the Animals and Tend the Garden. (Hey, just because I'm not a believer, doesn't mean I can't appreciate the plethora of cool things mentioned in The Bible....)
Outside of baseball, one out of two is a piss-poor record.
-Joe
Got Links?
You must offer what you ask for, or admit hypocrisy now.
I don't care about your christian mythology, that has no weight on my life and never will. What I do care about is science here, this topic specifically, and the science as a whole does not support the environut contentions, only one tiny part of science does if you ignore the rest of it.
