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You think throwing a few more vestal virgins into the volcano can change the weather??
Nope.
And I'm not going to loose any sleep over what I can't control. Just support what I think is right at any given time and keep an eye on the coast.
-Joe
I live right next to the Sound ... if anything the water levels are lower than normal here, I can see the water line on the pier pylons even at high tide.
Nope.
And I'm not going to loose any sleep over what I can't control. Just support what I think is right at any given time and keep an eye on the coast.
-Joe
I live right next to the Sound ... if anything the water levels are lower than normal here, I can see the water line on the pier pylons even at high tide.
Weird, huh?
And yet there is no arguing that the glaciers are shrinking... Florida looks 'normal', at least regarding the tide lines on the piers and stuff; maybe the world is leaning to the left.
-Joe
I live right next to the Sound ... if anything the water levels are lower than normal here, I can see the water line on the pier pylons even at high tide.
Weird, huh?
And yet there is no arguing that the glaciers are shrinking... Florida looks 'normal', at least regarding the tide lines on the piers and stuff; maybe the world is leaning to the left.
-Joe
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
Weird, huh?
And yet there is no arguing that the glaciers are shrinking... Florida looks 'normal', at least regarding the tide lines on the piers and stuff; maybe the world is leaning to the left.
-Joe
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
I repeat what I said to the last person that insisted we need to thin the herd.... WHAT exactly do you plan to do? The western world is in a birth death rate that simply sustains the population or in some cases declines the population. So we are not adding people to the planet. How to you plan to make Africa, India, China and the Middle East control their populations? What exactly do you advocate be done to thin the herd? Mass murder? Forced sterilization? Maybe just tell people they can only have one kid? AND exactly HOW do you get these things to happen? Who enforces these policies on the world?
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
I repeat what I said to the last person that insisted we need to thin the herd.... WHAT exactly do you plan to do? The western world is in a birth death rate that simply sustains the population or in some cases declines the population. So we are not adding people to the planet. How to you plan to make Africa, India, China and the Middle East control their populations? What exactly do you advocate be done to thin the herd? Mass murder? Forced sterilization? Maybe just tell people they can only have one kid? AND exactly HOW do you get these things to happen? Who enforces these policies on the world?
I honestly don't care how, hell, more war would be a start. However, you don't see me selling the doom and gloom ideas either. If humanity wants to go extinct because of acting like cattle, let them. No skin off my nose, I will be dead to ... so meh.
I repeat what I said to the last person that insisted we need to thin the herd.... WHAT exactly do you plan to do? The western world is in a birth death rate that simply sustains the population or in some cases declines the population. So we are not adding people to the planet. How to you plan to make Africa, India, China and the Middle East control their populations? What exactly do you advocate be done to thin the herd? Mass murder? Forced sterilization? Maybe just tell people they can only have one kid? AND exactly HOW do you get these things to happen? Who enforces these policies on the world?
I honestly don't care how, hell, more war would be a start. However, you don't see me selling the doom and gloom ideas either. If humanity wants to go extinct because of acting like cattle, let them. No skin off my nose, I will be dead to ... so meh.
The planet is no where near the level of people it can sustain. And when it gets close we will have mass death occurring from the fact the planet will not be able to sustain the population. Disease and starvation and I do not mean localized.
Not many people are aware that Minnesota was once called the Land of One Big Ass Glacier but after it melted it became the Land of 10,000 lakes. Tourism has held up well !
I've been to Minnesota... Goddamn mosquitos just about carried me off.
If not for my tolerance for pain and my trusty .22, I might not be here today.
-Joe
Lived there until I found out I didnt' have to.
From 2006: The Threat to the Planet - The New York Review of BooksBILLINGS, Mont.On the eve of Glacier National Park's 100th birthday, some of its distinctive features glaciers are disappearing and may not be around for the park's bicentennial party.
The parks' remaining glaciers might not last longer than the next decade, said Dan Fagre, a U.S. Geological Survey mountain ecologist who has been studying the park's glaciers for 18 years.
Glaciers are created when snow falling over many years is compacted into ice. For an ice field to be classified as a glacier, it must be more than 25 acres in size, be on the move and sculpt the landscape.
A 2003 study predicted park glaciers might be gone by 2030. But, because temperatures are warming at a more rapid rate than a few years ago, glaciers could disappear by 2020, Fagre said. In 1900, about 150 glaciers lay in what is now the national park.
Now only 25 glaciers are 25 acres or larger, Fagre said.
Although the size and number of glaciers have been decreasing over the past century, glaciers now are shrinking at three to four times the rate that they were in the 1950s and 1960s.
The reason is warmer temperatures.
Glacier Ice Fields May Be Gone By Next Decade - US News and World Report
"[...] How much will sea level rise with five degrees of global warming? Here too, our best information comes from the Earth's history. The last time that the Earth was five degrees warmer was three million years ago, when sea level was about eighty feet higher.
Eighty feet! In that case, the United States would lose most East Coast cities: Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington, and Miami; indeed, practically the entire state of Florida would be under water. Fifty million people in the US live below that sea level. Other places would fare worse. China would have 250 million displaced persons. Bangladesh would produce 120 million refugees, practically the entire nation. India would lose the land of 150 million people.
A rise in sea level, necessarily, begins slowly. Massive ice sheets must be softened and weakened before rapid disintegration and melting occurs and the sea level rises. It may require as much as a few centuries to produce most of the long-term response. But the inertia of ice sheets is not our ally against the effects of global warming. The Earth's history reveals cases in which sea level, once ice sheets began to collapse, rose one meter (1.1 yards) every twenty years for centuries. That would be a calamity for hundreds of cities around the world, most of them far larger than New Orleans. Devastation from a rising sea occurs as the result of local storms which can be expected to cause repeated retreats from transitory shorelines and rebuilding away from them.[...]"
The willful ignorance on this subject is appalling.
I've been to Minnesota... Goddamn mosquitos just about carried me off.
If not for my tolerance for pain and my trusty .22, I might not be here today.
-Joe
Lived there until I found out I didnt' have to.
Same with me. Winters are long and cold. People are Socialists. Glad I got out before the Senator wars. I still root for the Vikes. It's like a sickness.
Breaking the old ones weren't healthy either, FYI, and as for the indicators for past predictions, the science has been on target and the climate change is speeding up, hence the OP. Ethanol was a bad joke, and it kills engines too. Bush was all for it. The present legislation calls for renewable energy, not more recycling plants, but recycling does serve the purpose of not adding more waste products to the natural sinks. Maybe you could read more, instead of dismissing the valid information available according to your nutroots talking points. Or not.
Um ... the "normal" light bulbs didn't contain a deadly gas ... the only danger you had was cutting yourself on the broken glass, not inhaling toxic fumes.
As for landfills, if you take all the area of all the landfills in the US and put it together, it's about the size of a small town. After one get compacted enough they typically build on it, there are actually a few housing developments on top of old landfills.
You are ignoring valid information and choosing to listen to statistics which were proven false by the scientists not funded by parties with investments in these products which the information is being used to scare people into forcing on everyone.
The reality is this, nature changes all the time, it turns itself on its head to weed out the weaker species, that's how it keeps us all evolving. You can't change that, and you shouldn't stop it, but you can find a way to adapt instead or be driven extinct like all the others. Environuts have chosen extinction for humanity ... well ... do you want that?
Try to stay with me here. Ecologists aren't trying to halt evolution, they are trying to slow down the acceleration caused by humans so our grandchildren don't end up paying with their lives for our hubris. I would really like to hear your reasoning that those efforts will bring us to extinction. It should be a hoot.
And fyi, the "scientists" you're listening to are hired guns for the oil industry, hell bent on squeezing the last drop of peak oil $$ out of your pockets before they're forced to close up shop. They could adapt to new business realities and take advantage of a growth industry instead, but why bother? They'll be dead, and die damned rich, so why would they care?
Just for the sake of clarity, CO2 causes the earth to retain heat.
Breaking the old ones weren't healthy either, FYI, and as for the indicators for past predictions, the science has been on target and the climate change is speeding up, hence the OP. Ethanol was a bad joke, and it kills engines too. Bush was all for it. The present legislation calls for renewable energy, not more recycling plants, but recycling does serve the purpose of not adding more waste products to the natural sinks. Maybe you could read more, instead of dismissing the valid information available according to your nutroots talking points. Or not.
Um ... the "normal" light bulbs didn't contain a deadly gas ... the only danger you had was cutting yourself on the broken glass, not inhaling toxic fumes.
As for landfills, if you take all the area of all the landfills in the US and put it together, it's about the size of a small town. After one get compacted enough they typically build on it, there are actually a few housing developments on top of old landfills.
You are ignoring valid information and choosing to listen to statistics which were proven false by the scientists not funded by parties with investments in these products which the information is being used to scare people into forcing on everyone.
The reality is this, nature changes all the time, it turns itself on its head to weed out the weaker species, that's how it keeps us all evolving. You can't change that, and you shouldn't stop it, but you can find a way to adapt instead or be driven extinct like all the others. Environuts have chosen extinction for humanity ... well ... do you want that?
Try to stay with me here. Ecologists aren't trying to halt evolution, they are trying to slow down the acceleration caused by humans so our grandchildren don't end up paying with their lives for our hubris. I would really like to hear your reasoning that those efforts will bring us to extinction. It should be a hoot.
And fyi, the "scientists" you're listening to are hired guns for the oil industry, hell bent on squeezing the last drop of peak oil $$ out of your pockets before they're forced to close up shop. They could adapt to new business realities and take advantage of a growth industry instead, but why bother? They'll be dead, and die damned rich, so why would they care?
Try to stay with me here. Ecologists aren't trying to halt evolution, they are trying to slow down the acceleration caused by humans so our grandchildren don't end up paying with their lives for our hubris. I would really like to hear your reasoning that those efforts will bring us to extinction. It should be a hoot.Um ... the "normal" light bulbs didn't contain a deadly gas ... the only danger you had was cutting yourself on the broken glass, not inhaling toxic fumes.
As for landfills, if you take all the area of all the landfills in the US and put it together, it's about the size of a small town. After one get compacted enough they typically build on it, there are actually a few housing developments on top of old landfills.
You are ignoring valid information and choosing to listen to statistics which were proven false by the scientists not funded by parties with investments in these products which the information is being used to scare people into forcing on everyone.
The reality is this, nature changes all the time, it turns itself on its head to weed out the weaker species, that's how it keeps us all evolving. You can't change that, and you shouldn't stop it, but you can find a way to adapt instead or be driven extinct like all the others. Environuts have chosen extinction for humanity ... well ... do you want that?
And fyi, the "scientists" you're listening to are hired guns for the oil industry, hell bent on squeezing the last drop of peak oil $$ out of your pockets before they're forced to close up shop. They could adapt to new business realities and take advantage of a growth industry instead, but why bother? They'll be dead, and die damned rich, so why would they care?
No, it's time you stay with logic for a change. Science should NEVER come from one source, period. That's what's wrong with the scientific community lately and why nothing new has been found. Also ... no, not all "other" scientists are paid by the oil companies, that's another fearmongering myth told by the environuts. The truth is that most are actually self paid or work on donations from the "lesser" sources, they are ignored only because they are not funded by the environut sheep. Many scientists have come forward after retiring to say that they were paid off by said environmental companies, told to publish what they wanted or lose their funding. Others were fired when they disagreed with them. Reality is too complex for just one finding to be truth, science cannot be so simplified. Basically, when the earth finally does decide to change enough that we cannot survive, we will have nothing to protect ourselves from those inevitable changes, because it will be wasted for environmentalism by people who are too ignorant to look at all the science.
The fact is, the earth is changing, as it always has and always will do, these changes have always caused mass extinctions, and the changes continually occur closer to each other. That is fact, that is not science it is history. Now, add that fact to the findings of many scientists, the changes are those which will cause huge amounts of destruction to humanity, the need is not to try to stop something we cannot stop, but to find a way to survive it. Oil companies are of no concern for one major reason, oil is limited and running out. There isn't much left and at the rate we are burning it, it won't last much more than 20 to 50 years. Oh well, we need a new source, that's for certain, but the ones that environmentalists are pushing for will destroy our food supply as well as the world economies. Does this sound like the environmentalists care about life? No they don't, they care about the same thing the oil companies do, money, period.
I live right next to the Sound ... if anything the water levels are lower than normal here, I can see the water line on the pier pylons even at high tide.
Weird, huh?
And yet there is no arguing that the glaciers are shrinking... Florida looks 'normal', at least regarding the tide lines on the piers and stuff; maybe the world is leaning to the left.
-Joe
Well, the fact that environuts are ignoring is that the atmosphere has a higher water content now than normal, basically the water isn't falling to replenish the ice that normally melts. Water vapor then holds in more heat, causing the temperatures to rise as well, so even that falls into a logical explanation. Also water vapor lowers the amount of solar energy the plants can get, since they can't get as much energy they convert less CO2 into O2, thereby raising the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
They are trying to ignore the connections and focus only on the one thing humans can be blamed for in order to push their failed products and services on us, it's a con for profit and nothing more. The greedy environmentalism companies are just as bad as big oil and should be harassed just as much, if not more since the technique they are using is terrorism really. There is one solution to the whole mess, lower the population level of humanity and plant more plants with the space made from that, anything else is just for money.
Try to stay with me here. Ecologists aren't trying to halt evolution, they are trying to slow down the acceleration caused by humans so our grandchildren don't end up paying with their lives for our hubris. I would really like to hear your reasoning that those efforts will bring us to extinction. It should be a hoot.
And fyi, the "scientists" you're listening to are hired guns for the oil industry, hell bent on squeezing the last drop of peak oil $$ out of your pockets before they're forced to close up shop. They could adapt to new business realities and take advantage of a growth industry instead, but why bother? They'll be dead, and die damned rich, so why would they care?
No, it's time you stay with logic for a change. Science should NEVER come from one source, period. That's what's wrong with the scientific community lately and why nothing new has been found. Also ... no, not all "other" scientists are paid by the oil companies, that's another fearmongering myth told by the environuts. The truth is that most are actually self paid or work on donations from the "lesser" sources, they are ignored only because they are not funded by the environut sheep. Many scientists have come forward after retiring to say that they were paid off by said environmental companies, told to publish what they wanted or lose their funding. Others were fired when they disagreed with them. Reality is too complex for just one finding to be truth, science cannot be so simplified. Basically, when the earth finally does decide to change enough that we cannot survive, we will have nothing to protect ourselves from those inevitable changes, because it will be wasted for environmentalism by people who are too ignorant to look at all the science.
The fact is, the earth is changing, as it always has and always will do, these changes have always caused mass extinctions, and the changes continually occur closer to each other. That is fact, that is not science it is history. Now, add that fact to the findings of many scientists, the changes are those which will cause huge amounts of destruction to humanity, the need is not to try to stop something we cannot stop, but to find a way to survive it. Oil companies are of no concern for one major reason, oil is limited and running out. There isn't much left and at the rate we are burning it, it won't last much more than 20 to 50 years. Oh well, we need a new source, that's for certain, but the ones that environmentalists are pushing for will destroy our food supply as well as the world economies. Does this sound like the environmentalists care about life? No they don't, they care about the same thing the oil companies do, money, period.
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