No Evidence

[Billy_Bob]

This OP demonstrates the willful ignorance that cannot possibly be overcome to offset the acceleration of climate change. Somebody will have to come up with an idea or new technology to address the climate if it becomes necessary.

Congratulations...you are the first one to step up and produce absolutely nothing with which to support your belief. I doubt that you will be the last....Nice that you also demonstrate the alarmist tendency of name calling in lieu of any actual evidence.

Wouldn’t you consider a rapid acceleration of climate change as measured evidence of something significant? At least worthy of concern and analysis?

Please provide evidence (Empirical) of this supposed acceleration.

Do NASA studies work for you? I hear those people are pretty smart
New study finds sea level rise accelerating – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

LOL

That study was shown flawed a very long time ago. That is what happens when you add 1.83mm to each months data point.. Making a 1.23mm per year rise a 3mm rise.. It's BULL SHIT!

Physical tidal gauges have not risen in over 100 years by more than 12mm

 

[Wuwei]

So once again, you admit that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured evidence that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability...and you admit that that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured evidence which establishes a coherent link between the absorption of IR by a gas and warming in the atmosphere...and you admit that the hypothetical warming caused by mankind's CO2 producing activities has never been measured, quantified, and ascribed to so called greenhouse gasses in a peer reviewed published paper.

That is what I have been saying all along...and that is what this thread is all about...the absolute lack of any sort of observed, measured evidence to support all of your claims.

I realize there are models out the wazoo...I also realize that the atmosphere, and the climate are observable, measurable quantities and if the models were worth the code it took to write them, there would be observed, measured evidence to support them.

I obviously was not referring to AGW. I was referring to basic physics. You admitted you don't believe the simplest thermodynamics as it is in all colleges and text books. You don't believe radiation physics as taught in all colleges and text books. You don't believe in modern physics as taught in all colleges and text books. You reinvent the definitions of physics terminology. All this to fit your own bias that you don't believe in simplest basic things about gases in physics You definitely can not understand anything more complex, like evidence about the simplest interactions in the atmosphere.

That is the sign of a troll.

 

[Crick]

Yep.

 

[initforme]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So once again, you admit that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured evidence that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability...and you admit that that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured evidence which establishes a coherent link between the absorption of IR by a gas and warming in the atmosphere...and you admit that the hypothetical warming caused by mankind's CO2 producing activities has never been measured, quantified, and ascribed to so called greenhouse gasses in a peer reviewed published paper.

That is what I have been saying all along...and that is what this thread is all about...the absolute lack of any sort of observed, measured evidence to support all of your claims.

I realize there are models out the wazoo...I also realize that the atmosphere, and the climate are observable, measurable quantities and if the models were worth the code it took to write them, there would be observed, measured evidence to support them.

I obviously was not referring to AGW. I was referring to basic physics. You admitted you don't believe the simplest thermodynamics as it is in all colleges and text books. You don't believe radiation physics as taught in all colleges and text books. You don't believe in modern physics as taught in all colleges and text books. You reinvent the definitions of physics terminology. All this to fit your own bias that you don't believe in simplest basic things about gases in physics You definitely can not understand anything more complex, like evidence about the simplest interactions in the atmosphere.

That is the sign of a troll.

Post science based physics.. The abstract has been the undoing of many basic tenets in science. Facts are no longer considered for anything. Proof is not considered important... We get it... And this is why science is in the mess it is in today...

 

[skookerasbil]

SSDD.....you know you've made heads explode when thread posts go from 0-100 in 5 minutes! These are the moments that keep me coming back in here....when the perpetually miserable become deranged!

These folks navigate life in loose association eternity suckerdom! Kudos to you for setting up the Sd for triggering the multitude of incoherant angry rants.

 

[Crick]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

How about if the government actually starts taking action to dramatically reduce the use of fossil fuels? I think that could have a very dramatic impact on the behavior of oil companies.

 

[skookerasbil]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

Newsflash s0n.....the question of whether it's real or not is 100% immaterial to the debate. The fact is....not even debatable btw....is that the climate change scientists have yet to make a compelling case. Please show us where "real" transcends outside the field of the science. Yuk.....yuk.....

Taking bows in front of banners and billboards is ghey.

Nobody is caring about the science.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

How about if the government actually starts taking action to dramatically reduce the use of fossil fuels? I think that could have a very dramatic impact on the behavior of oil companies.

How about you lead by example... Get rid of your computer, phone, internet, food, house, car, bike, clothing, medicines, medical devices that prolong life and go live in a fucking cave... IDIOT

It's fools like you who call oil evil but without it you and many like you would not be alive today...

 

[skookerasbil]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

How about if the government actually starts taking action to dramatically reduce the use of fossil fuels? I think that could have a very dramatic impact on the behavior of oil companies.

Oy

Is the problem people like you and Old Rocks live in a fantasy world where costs don't matter. What fascinates me is, you both are over the hill.... like me....and still don't recognize this. How does that possibly happen?

Fossil fuels are going to be with us long long after all of us are in our boxes. Because in the real world costs do matter. They matter to all the people who make policy who are way above our pay grade. How do you miss so many meetings not to understand that? The cost of embracing the ideas that you and Old Rock's promote.... getting rid of fossil fuels..... is in the tens of trillions of dollars! I mean, c'mon now s0n...... renewable energy is always going to be a fringe energy source. Because it has to be.... because costs matter.

 

[skookerasbil]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

How about if the government actually starts taking action to dramatically reduce the use of fossil fuels? I think that could have a very dramatic impact on the behavior of oil companies.

How about you lead by example... Get rid of your computer, phone, internet, food, house, car, bike, clothing, medicines, medical devices that prolong life and go live in a fucking cave... IDIOT

It's fools like you who call oil evil but without it you and many like you would not be alive today...

These bozos haven't quite connected the dots on this yet

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Logical fallacies don't cut it...either you can produce the evidence which I stated clearly in the OP did not exist or you can't. If you can't then my point is made and any thinking person should be wondering why they believe in the claims made by climate science if there is no actual observed, measured evidence to support it. Assumptions aren't science..and belief is not science...science is about evidence and either you can produce it or you can't.

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Its rather amazing the temperature rise and cooling that far exceed today's runs. It's going to be real hard to prove causation when we have had such swings in the past..

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And then to have this kind of disconnect in their correlations... Makes me laugh at their stupid asses.. And then to have no midtropospheric warming, which kills their hypothesis dead..

Threads like this expose how completely ridiculous climate science is...post after post lashing out at me for asking for evidence....claiming that plenty exists but not being able to produce it, and on and on...but not the first piece of observed, measured evidence to support the hypothesis.

Its the mountains of natural variation evidence which they are having a problem with. They simply can not make a fact based link in the face of that evidence. At this point no one has proven to me man has the ability to stop natural variation and thus make all the changes we see today mans fault.

The sheer lunacy of the alarmists defies rational, fact based thought.

And the assumptions...they provide wild assed assumptions that are not based on anything other than models as actual evidence to support their beliefs...is that what science has come to? Is that what they are teaching in universities today and calling science?

I asked a few of my fellow doctoral candidate friends to come up with observed facts on which the IPCC is basing their assumptions, a few months back. Not one of them has come forward with any empirical evidence but some have come forward with modeling garbage that was easily laid waste due to the MOE of the data used and/or the failure of the model to predict anything.

There simply is no linking evidence. And yes, this is what science has become. The almighty model, even if it has no predictive capabilities, is touted as empirical evidence. These men have no clue what real observational science is. Its a very sad day in science

I asked a few of my fellow doctoral candidate friends

Ohhhh, you should ask them about your "photons cooling warmer matter" claim......

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This OP demonstrates the willful ignorance that cannot possibly be overcome to offset the acceleration of climate change. Somebody will have to come up with an idea or new technology to address the climate if it becomes necessary.

Congratulations...you are the first one to step up and produce absolutely nothing with which to support your belief. I doubt that you will be the last....Nice that you also demonstrate the alarmist tendency of name calling in lieu of any actual evidence.

Psychoses of a Theoretical Mathematician

I feel your pain. It was pretty cruel of BlackFlag to make the Unabomber bang his head against his cell like that. Gaia will get Her revenge for Climate Realist' lack of compassion for the Consecrated Pope of Her religion.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This OP demonstrates the willful ignorance that cannot possibly be overcome to offset the acceleration of climate change. Somebody will have to come up with an idea or new technology to address the climate if it becomes necessary.

Congratulations...you are the first one to step up and produce absolutely nothing with which to support your belief. I doubt that you will be the last....Nice that you also demonstrate the alarmist tendency of name calling in lieu of any actual evidence.

Wouldn’t you consider a rapid acceleration of climate change as measured evidence of something significant? At least worthy of concern and analysis?

Define "rapid" s0n....that's the whole point. Its makey-uppey science....exactly SSDD's point. It is NOT measurable.

Too, "concern" and "significant" are makey-uppey semantics one always sees associated with climate change. Just like "increased"....."warmer"...."expanding" etc......loose association gobblygook. No operational definitions.....hmmmm!. Science wanting to live comfortably in the world of abstracts. Hmmmm. Highly convenient...works well when your entire play is based upon computer models that are consistently spectacularly wrong!

Nobody knows dick about why our climate is in constant flux...and more to the point, even if they did, well, they get a big gold star. Because only an incredibly naive dumbass cant connect the dots that there isnt dick that can be done to reverse it. Most of the public recognizes that....they might have "concerns" like the many concerns they have in life. They realize that throwing trillions to address a "concern" is ghey when there are a billion far more pressing concerns in life.

Get some real responsibilities in life....that way, you don't worry about st00pid stuff!

The Gaian Religion's Scribes and Pharisees

No wonder that climatologists come up with buzzwords like "Arctic Canary"; it's because they are birdbrains. These no-talent minor leaguers are jealous of those capable of creating productive science, so jealous that they are driven to create a self-glorifying dystopia where every useful invention inevitably leads to mass destruction.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Whether or not global warming is real doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

Socialite Socialism

Liberals don't have minds of their own; subconsciously, they are driven to benefit the Right Wing they were born in. The Trustfundie Treehuggers' restrictions on drilling create an artificial scarcity, enabling their Daddies, who own huge wads of Big Oil stocks, to self-righteously extort us with obscene profit margins.

As for the working class, these spoiled and sheltered false-flag snobs, who have never had to do manual labor, kill working-class jobs or higher wages, whether your imaginary allies be lumberjacks, shrimp fishermen, or oilfield roustabouts.

 

[Wuwei]

There is not a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability.

Evidence? You have shown time and again that you don't understand evidence because you don't believe nor understand the simplest aspects of thermodynamics, you don't believe modern physics, you don't even understand the terminology used in physics that you continually misuse. You openly disparage much of the fundamental science in university text books on physics. You have even called the mathematical models of physics "fairy dust". Yet you continually talk "science" to justify your invented science.

You have to have the capacity to understand evidence before you ask for evidence.

Fantasy modeling of systems that they have yet to model correctly in any form is funny as hell to call "evidence" Science is FACT based on observed, mensurable, and reproducible events.

Talk to any practicing thermodynamics engineer who is creating systems for use in the real world and they will laugh in your face about CAGW...

Talk to me when you get a model that doesn't have to be retrained every year or two because it can not model the systems observed behaviors.

Read my post again. I have never mentioned CAGW anywhere in this forum. I was talking about basic physics that SSDD disbelieves. Do you believe what he believes?

Do you think EM radiation from a cold body is impeded from hitting a warmer body?
Do you believe that two objects at the same temperature do not radiate anything toward each other?
Do you think the mathematical models of quantum mechanics should be likened to fairy dust?
Do you think radioactivity is not spontaneous decay?
Do you think thermal energy from the cosmic microwave background never hit an uncooled receiving dish on earth.
The list goes on.

 

[SSDD]

This OP demonstrates the willful ignorance that cannot possibly be overcome to offset the acceleration of climate change. Somebody will have to come up with an idea or new technology to address the climate if it becomes necessary.

Congratulations...you are the first one to step up and produce absolutely nothing with which to support your belief. I doubt that you will be the last....Nice that you also demonstrate the alarmist tendency of name calling in lieu of any actual evidence.

Wouldn’t you consider a rapid acceleration of climate change as measured evidence of something significant? At least worthy of concern and analysis?

Please provide evidence (Empirical) of this supposed acceleration.

Do NASA studies work for you? I hear those people are pretty smart
New study finds sea level rise accelerating – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

No one is arguing that sea level is not going up...it has been rising for approximately 14,000 years. Accelerating? That is a difficult proposition to demonstrate unless you cut the time you are looking at to a ridiculously short period...and most world tidal gauges don't show any appreciable acceleration of sea level rise and many of those places which are showing an acceleration are actually cases where the land is sinking due to development..

In any case, there is no evidence whatsoever there that we are in any way responsible for anything beyond the development that is causing land to sink in many sea side locations.

 

[SSDD]

This OP demonstrates the willful ignorance that cannot possibly be overcome to offset the acceleration of climate change. Somebody will have to come up with an idea or new technology to address the climate if it becomes necessary.

Congratulations...you are the first one to step up and produce absolutely nothing with which to support your belief. I doubt that you will be the last....Nice that you also demonstrate the alarmist tendency of name calling in lieu of any actual evidence.

Wouldn’t you consider a rapid acceleration of climate change as measured evidence of something significant? At least worthy of concern and analysis?

Define "rapid" s0n....that's the whole point. Its makey-uppey science....exactly SSDD's point. It is NOT measurable.

Too, "concern" and "significant" are makey-uppey semantics one always sees associated with climate change. Just like "increased"....."warmer"...."expanding" etc......loose association gobblygook. No operational definitions.....hmmmm!. Science wanting to live comfortably in the world of abstracts. Hmmmm. Highly convenient...works well when your entire play is based upon computer models that are consistently spectacularly wrong!

Nobody knows dick about why our climate is in constant flux...and more to the point, even if they did, well, they get a big gold star. Because only an incredibly naive dumbass cant connect the dots that there isnt dick that can be done to reverse it. Most of the public recognizes that....they might have "concerns" like the many concerns they have in life. They realize that throwing trillions to address a "concern" is ghey when there are a billion far more pressing concerns in life.

Get some real responsibilities in life....that way, you dont worry about st00pid stuff!

All I’m saying is this stuff shouldn’t be swept under the rug. This is our planet and ecosystem that we live in. We should be treating it with respect and not trashing it. We should be aware of how our activities effect our ecosystem whether it be small or large.

I agree...there are a great many ecological problems we are facing...real problems with real solutions but none of them are being addressed because the climate change scam is sucking all of the air out of the room and all the treasure out of the coffers...they literally want trillions of dollars for climate research to waste on a non problem...how much actual work could be done towards cleaning up our planet with that much money?

 

[SSDD]

So once again, you admit that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured evidence that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability...and you admit that that there isn't the first piece of observed, measured evidence which establishes a coherent link between the absorption of IR by a gas and warming in the atmosphere...and you admit that the hypothetical warming caused by mankind's CO2 producing activities has never been measured, quantified, and ascribed to so called greenhouse gasses in a peer reviewed published paper.

That is what I have been saying all along...and that is what this thread is all about...the absolute lack of any sort of observed, measured evidence to support all of your claims.

I realize there are models out the wazoo...I also realize that the atmosphere, and the climate are observable, measurable quantities and if the models were worth the code it took to write them, there would be observed, measured evidence to support them.

I obviously was not referring to AGW. I was referring to basic physics. You admitted you don't believe the simplest thermodynamics as it is in all colleges and text books. You don't believe radiation physics as taught in all colleges and text books. You don't believe in modern physics as taught in all colleges and text books. You reinvent the definitions of physics terminology. All this to fit your own bias that you don't believe in simplest basic things about gases in physics You definitely can not understand anything more complex, like evidence about the simplest interactions in the atmosphere.

That is the sign of a troll.

This thread is about the lack of evidence for man made climate change...I am happily kicking your ass on other threads regarding physics. Keep to the topic or buzz off.

 

[SSDD]

Whether or not global warming is real or not doesn't do anything to help citizens against slimeball oil companies who have an excess of oil and gas yet prices at the pump keep rising. I no longer have one good thing to say about any of them. And if you try to defend this practice you are purely a one percenter who hates working class people.

How about if the government actually starts taking action to dramatically reduce the use of fossil fuels? I think that could have a very dramatic impact on the behavior of oil companies.

Why? Clearly you can't produce any evidence linking the use of hydrocarbon fuels to the climate...what other reason could you have other than some socialist utopian nightmare?