NJ Governor acts like he MEANS what he says

[rightwinger]

Nope That was a direct question. Do you have an answer?

Oh, just to be clear, no 60 to 100% would not be fair.

Now, is 10% fair?

Thank you for answering. No I don't think 10 percent i "fair" under the current structure. However I do believe most high earners would be satisfied with keeping slightly more than half. I don't think that's possible with the new HC bill and proposed changes to SS. 8.9 percent in state income tax is still too high no matter how much you make.

And the "tax rebates" do not go to every taxpayer and also go to renters who pay no property taxes. Its an entitlement.

The NJ Tax Rebate checks were always a bribe handed out right before the elections. Inefficient way to send money back to Joe Taxpayer

 

[Liability]

Oh, just to be clear, no 60 to 100% would not be fair.

Now, is 10% fair?

Thank you for answering. No I don't think 10 percent i "fair" under the current structure. However I do believe most high earners would be satisfied with keeping slightly more than half. I don't think that's possible with the new HC bill and proposed changes to SS. 8.9 percent in state income tax is still too high no matter how much you make.

And the "tax rebates" do not go to every taxpayer and also go to renters who pay no property taxes. Its an entitlement.

The NJ Tax Rebate checks were always a bribe handed out right before the elections. Inefficient way to send money back to Joe Taxpayer

Holy shit.

That's two of your posts in a row where you were coherent and reasonable.

That settles it.

I AM buying a Lotto ticket tonight.

 

[chanel]

Oh, just to be clear, no 60 to 100% would not be fair.

Now, is 10% fair?

Thank you for answering. No I don't think 10 percent i "fair" under the current structure. However I do believe most high earners would be satisfied with keeping slightly more than half. I don't think that's possible with the new HC bill and proposed changes to SS. 8.9 percent in state income tax is still too high no matter how much you make.

And the "tax rebates" do not go to every taxpayer and also go to renters who pay no property taxes. Its an entitlement.

The NJ Tax Rebate checks were always a bribe handed out right before the elections. Inefficient way to send money back to Joe Taxpayer

Thank you for putting it more succinctly than I. Shell game fer sure.

 

[rhodescholar]

Do I know you? You act like someone I've spanked pretty hard in the past. Of course, there have been so many of them that doesn't narrow it down much.

The dishonest scumbag keeps avoiding the question. Trolls and far left trash are one and the same.

What is hilarious is how in almost consecutive posts, she attacks Liability for not answering his question - then when its posed to her - she balks.

Hypocritical, mentally ill trash...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wrong again oh dishonest liberoidal carbuncle.

If you look REAL carefully, ya dishonest assmunch, you will notice that Governors (like Presidents) do not make laws. Who does that legislating stuff? Come on. You can say it.

That's right, ya diseased fuckstick: it IS the legislature.

Now, turning to your quibble, it is probably true that SOME seniors still get to lose the tax benefit. Oh the horror. I BET ya, shithead, that the ones getting screwed are PROBABLY the ones who can actually afford not to get the tax break. So, here's your next assignment, douche-y: go look it up and then report back here WITH very specific and functioning links (not that we don't all trust every word that you vomit out or anything).

Go.

Ok, by your own admission, you lied previously. That was all I was after.

Wrong again. Since I never denied that some seniors might lose some tax benefits, my concession that it's possible could not possibly equate with a 'lie" in the real world.

Your dishonesty is massive, carbuncle. Your credibility remains non-existent.

Thanks for proving it yet again.

Now you're lying about lying:

My question: Ok, same question. If New Jersey's taxes are too high, why does the governor want to raise senior property taxes?


Your response: He doesn't, as I have already shown you.

you get a neg rep for calling me a liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nope That was a direct question. Do you have an answer?

Oh, just to be clear, no 60 to 100% would not be fair.

Now, is 10% fair?

Thank you for answering. No I don't think 10 percent i "fair" under the current structure. However I do believe most high earners would be satisfied with keeping slightly more than half. I don't think that's possible with the new HC bill and proposed changes to SS. 8.9 percent in state income tax is still too high no matter how much you make.

And the "tax rebates" do not go to every taxpayer and also go to renters who pay no property taxes. Its an entitlement.

So now tax cuts are an entitlement. jeezus what dances you people will do.

btw, your own post said NJ'ers pay 75,000 on a million dollars. That's 7.5%, presumably on TAXABLE income only. Where you're getting your 40 50 60 percent numbers is anyone's guess.

 

[rhodescholar]

Sacrifices should be across the board, no one exempted. That's the same position I've held for years as to balancing the federal budget.

We're still waiting to hear your answer to what you believe the unions should give up to retain the tax credit....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sacrifices should be across the board, no one exempted. That's the same position I've held for years as to balancing the federal budget.

We're still waiting to hear your answer to what you believe the unions should give up to retain the tax credit....

In an across the board distribution of 'pain' - aka MY PLAN, the unions would lose something, the seniors would lose something, the millionaires would lose something.

As soon as you exempt one special interest from the pain, you justify every other special interest demanding their own exemptions.

 

[Liability]

Plans that "distribute" pain kind of miss the point.

the root cause of much of the pain we are experiencing stems from an out of control government violating the basic precepts of a limited government and engaging in such hideous behaviors as: socialist policies, ridiculously high taxation levels (unevenly and unfairly distributed at that), absurd and unsupportable spending and "mandates" which combine many of the worst features of all of the above.

It is not a surprise that the mess is "unsustainable." But when the time comes to DO something about it (the only rational prescription, obviously, is the reversal of the irrational behaviors that got us to this debased point in the first place) THEN we are obligated to hear from dishonest whining libbies that the "pain" has to be distributed fairly.

Sure. Fuck that bullshit. The wealth producers have always paid disproportionately and always will, so lose the bullshit class warfare rhetoric. It's a huge lie and a massive fail at this point.

Those who produced got soaked in the past by the irrational policies of the government officials who did their thing in violation of the precepts of limited government. EARNERS have ALWAYS paid vastly more of their dollars and a significantly higher percentage of their income to fund this intolerable situation. But now, to "fix" the mess which they were not responsible for creating but for which they were obligated to pay, the income earners will be told that they must pay even more. Libs like NYcarbuncle will insist that it's "only fair."

Bullshit.

You want a prescription to fix this dangerous mess we've landed in? Ok. REVERSE COURSE. Yep. that's the right answer.

Fuck the progressive income tax. Let's Constitutionally eliminate the income tax and repeal the 16th Amendment. When that takes effect, on that day but not one second earlier, let's institute a national consumption tax. It's kind of progressive so the libs shouldn't have a fucking heart attack. Those who have more and wish to purchase more will pay more. Those with less who consume less will PAY less in taxes. Viola!

Eliminate all unfunded mandate programs immediately.

Cancel immediately ALL TARP type programs.

Balanced budget amendment.

The PRIMARY route out of this mess is to STOP SPENDING so immaturely (and secondarily, to pay down our fucking debts). Cut taxes to give those who provide jobs a chance and some room to grow. Employment will follow along.

There are hundreds of related things we can and should tackle along the way. But our irresponsible spending, our unprincipled taxation policies and our ongoing violation of the precepts of LIMITED Government are the things that HAVE to be addressed most urgently -- and FIXED -- if we are to have a chance of coming out of this tailspin before we crash and burn.

 

[rhodescholar]

Sacrifices should be across the board, no one exempted. That's the same position I've held for years as to balancing the federal budget.

We're still waiting to hear your answer to what you believe the unions should give up to retain the tax credit....

In an across the board distribution of 'pain' - aka MY PLAN, the unions would lose something, the seniors would lose something, the millionaires would lose something.

As soon as you exempt one special interest from the pain, you justify every other special interest demanding their own exemptions.

#1, the so-called wealthy in NJ have seen their taxes rise for years, so they have been suffering "pain" for a long time, so someone claiming that "reducing" their taxes to more balanced (with the rest of the country) percentages is hardly a "give-back"...

#2-while the state was raising taxes all of these years on the so-called wealthy, the unions were receiving higher benefits, so to a rational person, it would be fair to say that they have escaped culpability for NJ's fiscal problems for a long time.

#3-you STILL have yet to come forward and describe exactly WHAT you would expect the unions to sacrifice despite being called out on it, like 12 times.

Will they have to accept lower salaries? Reduced benefits? What exactly, with hard numbers, are you proposing?

 

[NYcarbineer]

We're still waiting to hear your answer to what you believe the unions should give up to retain the tax credit....

In an across the board distribution of 'pain' - aka MY PLAN, the unions would lose something, the seniors would lose something, the millionaires would lose something.

As soon as you exempt one special interest from the pain, you justify every other special interest demanding their own exemptions.

#1, the so-called wealthy in NJ have seen their taxes rise for years, so they have been suffering "pain" for a long time, so someone claiming that "reducing" their taxes to more balanced (with the rest of the country) percentages is hardly a "give-back"...

#2-while the state was raising taxes all of these years on the so-called wealthy, the unions were receiving higher benefits, so to a rational person, it would be fair to say that they have escaped culpability for NJ's fiscal problems for a long time.

#3-you STILL have yet to come forward and describe exactly WHAT you would expect the unions to sacrifice despite being called out on it, like 12 times.

Will they have to accept lower salaries? Reduced benefits? What exactly, with hard numbers, are you proposing?

I'm not about to study NJ's entire state budget for a week and compose my own detailed plan as to where and how to balance it, and neither are you, so please stop demanding that I do so.

Keep in mind that political realities are at play here. The governor does not have a Republican majority in the legislature. He can't simply put forth an agenda for balancing the budget that sticks it to the Democrats' constituencies and takes it easy on his own.

That's why I keep saying, do it across the board and make sure everyone feels some pain, somehow.

If you need to cut the state budget, say 5%, and 30% of the state budget cost is represented by unionized labor costs, then an overall budget cut where 1.5 percentage points of the 5 went on the backs of labor that would be about right. If my math is right. NOTE: I just made up those numbers to illustrate I have no idea what the real ones are.

 

[rightwinger]

We're still waiting to hear your answer to what you believe the unions should give up to retain the tax credit....

In an across the board distribution of 'pain' - aka MY PLAN, the unions would lose something, the seniors would lose something, the millionaires would lose something.

As soon as you exempt one special interest from the pain, you justify every other special interest demanding their own exemptions.

#1, the so-called wealthy in NJ have seen their taxes rise for years, so they have been suffering "pain" for a long time, so someone claiming that "reducing" their taxes to more balanced (with the rest of the country) percentages is hardly a "give-back"...

#2-while the state was raising taxes all of these years on the so-called wealthy, the unions were receiving higher benefits, so to a rational person, it would be fair to say that they have escaped culpability for NJ's fiscal problems for a long time.

#3-you STILL have yet to come forward and describe exactly WHAT you would expect the unions to sacrifice despite being called out on it, like 12 times.

Will they have to accept lower salaries? Reduced benefits? What exactly, with hard numbers, are you proposing?

Its about time NJ had a Governor willing to take on the unions head-on. For decades, Teachers and State and Local unions have had free reign over the Governor and State House.

They are not the sole reason for NJs high taxes, political corruption and the party bosses are still number 1.