Nick Berg Beheading Shown to San Diego Kids at School

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
maybe this should be in books, but did any of you read buckley's new book about the berlin wall?

I haven't, but I love to read (have read three books in the last two weeks). So please post a review in the book section if you would. Thanks!

 

[acludem]

We do an absolutely horrible job of teaching civics to young people. This is why so few young people are interested in politics, why the apathy rate is so high, and why the voting rate is so low. You can very easily teach civics without expressing your opinion. I had teachers that did it. We shoudl teach that our representative democracy requires an active, informed populace. They told us to read the newspaper, watch the news, and be a smart consumer of information. Learn who your elected representatives are. Learn about issues by reading current articles. Form your own opinions and then learn how to defend those opinions. That's not any statement of belief in any particular political agenda.

acludem

 

[007]

Originally posted by nycflasher
lol, me too.

I could think of worse thing the teacher could have done: smoked pot or drank alcohol with the kids, exposed himself, hit one of them, swore at them even.

As far as what he ACTUALLY did, it's just a step short of what the news shows us everyday. Especially immediately following 9-1-1.

I look at it like he showed them an R-rated horror movie. Not appropriate and worth repremand or punishment of some sort, since they were minors, but not too far off in a time of war. Heck, when I was 15...

And I think it's not good how easily you just blow things off.

I'm a 48 year old service connected disabled veteran of war. I'm not squimish by any means. But even I was disturbed when I saw that video. I don't think that by ANY MEANS should that teacher have shown that video to ANY KIDS!! If I was a parent of one of those kids, I'd be in ASS KICK'N MODE, and that teacher would be the kick'ee.

That teacher should be FIRED.... IMMEDIATELY!!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by acludem
We do an absolutely horrible job of teaching civics to young people. This is why so few young people are interested in politics, why the apathy rate is so high, and why the voting rate is so low. You can very easily teach civics without expressing your opinion. I had teachers that did it. We shoudl teach that our representative democracy requires an active, informed populace. They told us to read the newspaper, watch the news, and be a smart consumer of information. Learn who your elected representatives are. Learn about issues by reading current articles. Form your own opinions and then learn how to defend those opinions. That's not any statement of belief in any particular political agenda.

acludem

Never rendering your opinion is impossible.

"Teacher teacher, does fox news count?" What would you say? Could you augment your urge to snide?

You libs lost your chance to teach civics when you became full blown anti americans. We're just going to get the whole lib establishment out of education. That's the new plan. You guys blew it with your socialist crap.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Never rendering your opinion is impossible.

"Teacher teacher, does fox news count?" What would you say? Could you augment your urge to snide?

You libs lost your chance to teach civics when you became full blown anti americans. We're just going to get the whole lib establishment out of education. That's the new plan. You guys blew it with your socialist crap.

Man, your full of blanket statements, blaming "libs" for everything. I love how you blame 100 million people for failures in our education system.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Man, your full of blanket statements, blaming "libs" for everything. I love how you blame 100 million people for failures in our education system.

Accurate statements. The lib hostility towards standards for themselves or their students has ruined education. Go ask a lib, they still will tell you the problem with education is the fact that we haven't achieved a classless society.

If you want to discuss the merits of generalization in general, let's do it in this thread.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6485

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Go ask a lib, they still will tell you the problem with education is the fact that we haven't achieved a classless society.

yeah, ask me.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
yeah, ask me.

You're not a lib, dk. If you're voting for Bush, you're not a lib. I'm sorry.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
If you're voting for Bush, you're not a lib. I'm sorry.

more generalizations i see :

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
more generalizations i see :

Accurate and useful generalizations.

 

[acludem]

Sure, if someone said does Fox News count, I'd say yes. I'd say watch Fox News some, then CNN some, and MSNBC some. Watch all the networks, compare the way the news is covered by each. I would also encourage them to watch, and in fact show my class, Congressional debates and hearings on C-Span and C-Span 2. Television is a great educational tool, especially for civics. One of my high school teachers showed us Prime Minister's Question Time on C-Span. We all thought it was fascinating, not to mention damn funny. This teacher I mention never once told us his political affiliations, or even hinted at it. IT is possible to teach civics well without allowing your political opinions in.

BTW, Come up with something other than everything is the liberals' fault, it's getting really, really old.

acludem

 

[TN_Independent]

Originally posted by acludem
BTW, Come up with something other than everything is the liberals' fault, it's getting really, really old.

acludem

If not the liberals, it must be all of the redheaded people in China.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by acludem
Sure, if someone said does Fox News count, I'd say yes. I'd say watch Fox News some, then CNN some, and MSNBC some. Watch all the networks, compare the way the news is covered by each. I would also encourage them to watch, and in fact show my class, Congressional debates and hearings on C-Span and C-Span 2. Television is a great educational tool, especially for civics. One of my high school teachers showed us Prime Minister's Question Time on C-Span. We all thought it was fascinating, not to mention damn funny. This teacher I mention never once told us his political affiliations, or even hinted at it. IT is possible to teach civics well without allowing your political opinions in.

BTW, Come up with something other than everything is the liberals' fault, it's getting really, really old.

acludem

And what if a student concluded that fox had commentators from both sides of the political spectrum and most of the others were heavily focused on the left position. Would you accept that analysis from your student? or would you tell him he was wrong?

 

[dilloduck]

I think it can be taught with very little bias but the facts are that it's just not happening that way. Maybe it IS the fault of the right for not winning the war of childrens minds. This is a really important battle for republicans to win. Thanks for pointing that out ac

 

[JohnGalt]

My American Government teacher (from last year) and I have grown to become very good friends. He absolutely refuses to tell any student his political party and has even kept the secret from me. Our class used to get in heated debates on everything from potholes in the Junior Parking Lot to abortion, and all my teacher did was play devil's advocate. In this way he never shared his own opinion, but opened all the childrens minds' to what is happening.

Oddly enough, after class one day I asked him what news channel he watched, and he smuggly said, "I don't watch the news." Perfect way to avoid a youth's question. But later he promised to tell me his political party and news channel when I graduated and had made my own mind up about the issues, come to think of it... the only thing pertaining to political parties he ever mentioned to me was that I didn't have to be partisan in my beliefs. Unfortunately, he won't be a teacher when I graduate because he his forced to stop teaching to pursue another carrer so as to have a larger income to raise his new baby. Some things just aren't right.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by JohnGalt
My American Government teacher (from last year) and I have grown to become very good friends. He absolutely refuses to tell any student his political party and has even kept the secret from me. Our class used to get in heated debates on everything from potholes in the Junior Parking Lot to abortion, and all my teacher did was play devil's advocate. In this way he never shared his own opinion, but opened all the childrens minds' to what is happening.

Oddly enough, after class one day I asked him what news channel he watched, and he smuggly said, "I don't watch the news." Perfect way to avoid a youth's question. But later he promised to tell me his political party and news channel when I graduated and had made my own mind up about the issues, come to think of it... the only thing pertaining to political parties he ever mentioned to me was that I didn't have to be partisan in my beliefs. Unfortunately, he won't be a teacher when I graduate because he his forced to stop teaching to pursue another carrer so as to have a larger income to raise his new baby. Some things just aren't right.

Sounds like this teacher was great. If it seemed like an accurate portrayal of both sides, he was a con. Cons can discuss accurately both sides and still maintain their beliefs. But since liberalism is a distortion of reality, it cannot maintain it's validity in the context of a more inclusive model of reality, conservatism.

 

[KLSuddeth]

amen to that

 

[Trademark 36]

once again,liberal agenda oriented individuals taking the totally wrong approach to make a point.This should be the parents idea if they want to subject their children to something so sick and immoral