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Well miller is a drama queen but that isn't what I was saying.
I was saying you were going overboard (overdramatic) in your response and getting way to fired up about it for me.
No, not Ryan Miller being overly dramatic as he's stating his case. You're stating his case as if it is the only case.
It's not.
Well miller is a drama queen but that isn't what I was saying.
I was saying you were going overboard (overdramatic) in your response and getting way to fired up about it for me.
No, not Ryan Miller being overly dramatic as he's stating his case. You're stating his case as if it is the only case.
It's not.
Lucic's hit on Ryan Miller IS the topic PLYMCO_PILGRIM and I were discussing.
Well miller is a drama queen but that isn't what I was saying.
I was saying you were going overboard (overdramatic) in your response and getting way to fired up about it for me.
It has nothing to do with you. Get over yourself.
I have been following the NHL since the 1960's. I played and coached the sport. I have USA Hockey coaching accreditation.
Hockey is a great sport, it's the fastest team sport on the planet. But the NHL has always been a Mickey Mouse run organization. I watched as Fred Shero and the Broad Street Bullies turned the NHL into Slap Shot and the Hansen brothers...the league did NOTHING. It took the great Montreal Canadien teams of Scotty Bowman to dispatch that goon style of play. I watched the league award the Stanley Cup on Sabre's ice to the Dallas Stars when Brent Hull was given credit for NO GOAL...the league did NOTHING.
The NHL rarely gets it right. Lucic ran through Miller. There was not even a hint Lucic tried to hold up. And for Shanahan to explain his decision based on 'intent' is ludicrous. NO player is going to self incriminate himself. It is childish to believe otherwise.
You are being blinded by partisanship.
Well miller is a drama queen but that isn't what I was saying.
I was saying you were going overboard (overdramatic) in your response and getting way to fired up about it for me.
It has nothing to do with you. Get over yourself.
I have been following the NHL since the 1960's. I played and coached the sport. I have USA Hockey coaching accreditation.
Hockey is a great sport, it's the fastest team sport on the planet. But the NHL has always been a Mickey Mouse run organization. I watched as Fred Shero and the Broad Street Bullies turned the NHL into Slap Shot and the Hansen brothers...the league did NOTHING. It took the great Montreal Canadien teams of Scotty Bowman to dispatch that goon style of play. I watched the league award the Stanley Cup on Sabre's ice to the Dallas Stars when Brent Hull was given credit for NO GOAL...the league did NOTHING.
The NHL rarely gets it right. Lucic ran through Miller. There was not even a hint Lucic tried to hold up. And for Shanahan to explain his decision based on 'intent' is ludicrous. NO player is going to self incriminate himself. It is childish to believe otherwise.
You are being blinded by partisanship.
I already told you if it happened to Thomas bruins fans would be calling for the same treatment you are and I also said they would be wrong.
Like I said from the beginning I didn't think it was a dirty hit, you did, hence our real dissagreement.
Let them play. Great play Lucic lighting up a goalie who went to far out of his area but never the less, there was no intent to hurt..a collision happen and lucic was bracing for it otherwise miller would have wound up in the glass. Flashback on Van Ryan.League General Managers send Shanahan a message...you were WRONG, Lucic should have been suspended.
TORONTO - The next player to hammer a goaltender outside of his crease isn't likely to get off as easily as Milan Lucic.
A discussion among the league's 30 general managers Tuesday produced a strong consensus that goalies need to be better protected - even when they stray from their own goal to play the puck. That's exactly what Buffalo's Ryan Miller was doing on Saturday night when he suffered a concussion after taking a hit from Lucic.
After learning Tuesday that roughly two-thirds of GMs would have preferred to see a suspension in the case, Shanahan acknowledged that his mandate had been altered.
"I think there's certainly a very heightened sensitivity to the goalies and the future of all the goalies in this league," he said. "Certainly they're not fair game. I think that players have to understand that. The general managers expressed to me the importance of all the players on the ice but also the extreme importance of the goaltender in that position.
"So I do think that's something as a message to the players around the league, if anybody does think that it's a tactic and a tactic that is a smart gamble on their part, it won't be."
Let them play. Great play Lucic lighting up a goalie who went to far out of his area but never the less, there was no intent to hurt..a collision happen and lucic was bracing for it otherwise miller would have wound up in the glass. Flashback on Van Ryan.League General Managers send Shanahan a message...you were WRONG, Lucic should have been suspended.
TORONTO - The next player to hammer a goaltender outside of his crease isn't likely to get off as easily as Milan Lucic.
A discussion among the league's 30 general managers Tuesday produced a strong consensus that goalies need to be better protected - even when they stray from their own goal to play the puck. That's exactly what Buffalo's Ryan Miller was doing on Saturday night when he suffered a concussion after taking a hit from Lucic.
After learning Tuesday that roughly two-thirds of GMs would have preferred to see a suspension in the case, Shanahan acknowledged that his mandate had been altered.
"I think there's certainly a very heightened sensitivity to the goalies and the future of all the goalies in this league," he said. "Certainly they're not fair game. I think that players have to understand that. The general managers expressed to me the importance of all the players on the ice but also the extreme importance of the goaltender in that position.
"So I do think that's something as a message to the players around the league, if anybody does think that it's a tactic and a tactic that is a smart gamble on their part, it won't be."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ptIZdjGfjs]Milan Lucic hits Mike Van Ryn through the Glass - YouTube[/ame]
Let them play. Great play Lucic lighting up a goalie who went to far out of his area but never the less, there was no intent to hurt..a collision happen and lucic was bracing for it otherwise miller would have wound up in the glass. Flashback on Van Ryan.League General Managers send Shanahan a message...you were WRONG, Lucic should have been suspended.
TORONTO - The next player to hammer a goaltender outside of his crease isn't likely to get off as easily as Milan Lucic.
A discussion among the league's 30 general managers Tuesday produced a strong consensus that goalies need to be better protected - even when they stray from their own goal to play the puck. That's exactly what Buffalo's Ryan Miller was doing on Saturday night when he suffered a concussion after taking a hit from Lucic.
After learning Tuesday that roughly two-thirds of GMs would have preferred to see a suspension in the case, Shanahan acknowledged that his mandate had been altered.
"I think there's certainly a very heightened sensitivity to the goalies and the future of all the goalies in this league," he said. "Certainly they're not fair game. I think that players have to understand that. The general managers expressed to me the importance of all the players on the ice but also the extreme importance of the goaltender in that position.
"So I do think that's something as a message to the players around the league, if anybody does think that it's a tactic and a tactic that is a smart gamble on their part, it won't be."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ptIZdjGfjs]Milan Lucic hits Mike Van Ryn through the Glass - YouTube[/ame]
Let them play. Great play Lucic lighting up a goalie who went to far out of his area but never the less, there was no intent to hurt..a collision happen and lucic was bracing for it otherwise miller would have wound up in the glass. Flashback on Van Ryan.League General Managers send Shanahan a message...you were WRONG, Lucic should have been suspended.
TORONTO - The next player to hammer a goaltender outside of his crease isn't likely to get off as easily as Milan Lucic.
A discussion among the league's 30 general managers Tuesday produced a strong consensus that goalies need to be better protected - even when they stray from their own goal to play the puck. That's exactly what Buffalo's Ryan Miller was doing on Saturday night when he suffered a concussion after taking a hit from Lucic.
After learning Tuesday that roughly two-thirds of GMs would have preferred to see a suspension in the case, Shanahan acknowledged that his mandate had been altered.
"I think there's certainly a very heightened sensitivity to the goalies and the future of all the goalies in this league," he said. "Certainly they're not fair game. I think that players have to understand that. The general managers expressed to me the importance of all the players on the ice but also the extreme importance of the goaltender in that position.
"So I do think that's something as a message to the players around the league, if anybody does think that it's a tactic and a tactic that is a smart gamble on their part, it won't be."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ptIZdjGfjs]Milan Lucic hits Mike Van Ryn through the Glass - YouTube[/ame]
zonly1'
Probie still throwin'em
Probie's brain says he was absorbin'em.
A study shows the late Bob Probert, at left, had a
degenerative brain condition when he died at 45.
Researchers: Bob Probert had CTE
Bob Probert knew the fierce pounding he dished out and received over 16 seasons as an NHL enforcer was taking its toll as he got older. That's why he wanted his brain to be analyzed once he died.
Even though heart failure ultimately ended his life last July at age 45, Probert also was living with a damaged brain.
Researchers at Boston University said Thursday that Probert had the degenerative brain disease Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.
Let them play. Great play Lucic lighting up a goalie who went to far out of his area but never the less, there was no intent to hurt..a collision happen and lucic was bracing for it otherwise miller would have wound up in the glass. Flashback on Van Ryan.
Milan Lucic hits Mike Van Ryn through the Glass - YouTube
zonly1'
Probie still throwin'em
Probie's brain says he was absorbin'em.
A study shows the late Bob Probert, at left, had a
degenerative brain condition when he died at 45.
Researchers: Bob Probert had CTE
Bob Probert knew the fierce pounding he dished out and received over 16 seasons as an NHL enforcer was taking its toll as he got older. That's why he wanted his brain to be analyzed once he died.
Even though heart failure ultimately ended his life last July at age 45, Probert also was living with a damaged brain.
Researchers at Boston University said Thursday that Probert had the degenerative brain disease Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.
Same thing happens to fighters like boxers and kickboxers.
Its part of the sport, if you don't want to take that risk then don't be an enforcer
Mark Rypien wasn't a fighter.zonly1'
Probie still throwin'em
Probie's brain says he was absorbin'em.
A study shows the late Bob Probert, at left, had a
degenerative brain condition when he died at 45.
Researchers: Bob Probert had CTE
Bob Probert knew the fierce pounding he dished out and received over 16 seasons as an NHL enforcer was taking its toll as he got older. That's why he wanted his brain to be analyzed once he died.
Even though heart failure ultimately ended his life last July at age 45, Probert also was living with a damaged brain.
Researchers at Boston University said Thursday that Probert had the degenerative brain disease Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.
Same thing happens to fighters like boxers and kickboxers.
Its part of the sport, if you don't want to take that risk then don't be an enforcer
There is more to it than just your entertainment...
Trio of hockey enforcer deaths no coincidence — Laraque
Former Oiler says there are constant worries for players who make a living fighting in NHL
Colourful tough guy Wade Belak was found dead on Wednesday in Toronto from an apparent suicide.
EDMONTON - In the wake of Wade Belak’s suicide, retired heavyweight Georges Laraque doesn’t think it’s happenstance that three NHL players who made their living as fighters have shockingly died over the summer.
“A coincidence? No,” said the former Edmonton Oilers’ tough guy, who now is host of a sportstalk show in Montreal modelled after TSN’s Off The Record.
Laraque has been bowled over by the deaths of Derek Boogaard, Rick Rypien and now Wade Belak in the last few months.
“This job is so hard, physically and mentally,” said Laraque. “You can go to a movie theatre the night before a game, and you’re thinking of the fight you’re going to get into the next day. Like, you have to fight Boogaard. Then that game’s over and it’s like ‘OK, I have to fight Jody Shelley.’ After that it’s Brian McGrattan. You try not to think about it, but you start with the drugs or the alcohol and that creates the problem.”
Read more: Trio of hockey enforcer deaths no coincidence
Lucic's first shift buffalo sends out their "fighter".....Lucic still has the skills
