NFL Rookie Of The Year? RGIII ? Russell Wilson ? Andrew Luck ? You Pick!

Stupid quarterback-centered awards!

No mention of Trent Richardson? Doug Martin? Alfred Morris?

And that's just for offensive rookie of the year!

Of course a qb is going to win, I just find it annoying how quickly people dismiss any other position.

They aren't being discounted but when you have three rookies playing at such a high level at the hardest position in football (and arguably in all of sports) what the RBs are doing just doesn't compare.

I disagree.

I think since the league has become more and more pass oriented, the achievements of the rookie running backs is perhaps more impressive than it would have been in the past. In a league of running back by committee, multiple 5000 yard passers, rules designed to protect quarterbacks and receivers but not running backs, to have two rookies be featured backs and be as successful as Richardson and Martin have been, on teams that aren't great, definitely puts them into consideration for OROY to me.
 
Overall, it's been a great year for QBs

Brady and Peyton Manning lighting it up like they were in their prime

Luck, RG3, Wilson having MVP calibre seasons

No, they aren't. Damned good seasons, yes, but I'm not willing to step into the "MVP caliber" zone.

I agree and dissagree. Brady and Payton Manning are in the lead for MVP but one has to include Luck and Wilson in that catagory depending on what happens in the playoffs.
 
Andrew Luck has taken the same 1-15 team or 2-14 team, whichever, and turned them into a playoff team, I can't see any other rookie doing that.
 
I've been astonished that some of the national stories compare Wilson to Tom brady... but they use this years stats for Brady completely ignoring that Wilson is a rookie. The only reasonable measure would be Brady's SECOND year because he wasn't good enough to start more than one game.

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
2012 New England Patriots 13 495 319 64.4 38.1 3,833 7.7 294.8 29 5.9 4 0.8 83T 43 6 20 135 104.2

2011 New England Patriots 16 611 401 65.6 38.2 5,235 8.6 327.2 39 6.4 12 2.0 99T 71 14 32 173 105.6

2010 New England Patriots 16 492 324 65.9 30.8 3,900 7.9 243.8 36 7.3 4 0.8 79T 53 9 25 175 111.0

2009 New England Patriots 16 565 371 65.7 35.3 4,398 7.8 274.9 28 5.0 13 2.3 81T 43 12 16 86 96.2

2008 New England Patriots 1 11 7 63.6 11.0 76 6.9 76.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 26 1 0 0 0 83.9

2007 New England Patriots 16 578 398 68.9 36.1 4,806 8.3 300.4 50 8.7 8 1.4 69T 56 15 21 128 117.2

2006 New England Patriots 16 516 319 61.8 32.2 3,529 6.8 220.6 24 4.7 12 2.3 62T 46 8 26 175 87.9

2005 New England Patriots 16 530 334 63.0 33.1 4,110 7.8 256.9 26 4.9 14 2.6 71 59 9 26 188 92.3

2004 New England Patriots 16 474 288 60.8 29.6 3,692 7.8 230.8 28 5.9 14 3.0 50 52 10 26 162 92.6

2003 New England Patriots 16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 82T 44 8 32 219 85.9

2002 New England Patriots 16 601 373 62.1 37.6 3,764 6.3 235.2 28 4.7 14 2.3 49T 37 3 31 190 85.7

2001 New England Patriots 15 413 264 63.9 27.5 2,843 6.9 189.5 18 4.4 12 2.9 91T 32 6 41 216 86.5

2000 New England Patriots 1 3 1 33.3 3.0 6 2.0 6.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 6 0 0 0 0 42.4

TOTAL 174 5,816 3,716 63.9 33.4 43,812 7.5 251.8 329 5.7 119 2.0 99 537 100 296 1,847 97.0

Note that Wilson is on track to do better statistically than Brady in his SECOND year.

Brady and Wilson are completely different QB's.

And 2001 was basically Tom's first year.

Bill didn't take the reigns off him until some point in the 2002 season.

Who knows how good any rookie QB could be or could have been. Believe it or not Wilson did not start out with a free reign. Corroll spoke to that this week in his Wednesday press conference. He praised his third round pick as having done the work that he was way ahead of what anyone could have expected and has been given far more leeway in his playcalling in the last couple of games and Wilson has responded better to the new responsibilty with more steady play than could have been hoped for. The Loss in Miami was as much play calling,(by the Seahawk Offensive co-ordinator) as not and the win in Chicago with TWO winning drives was pretty much all Wison checking off and taking the team straight down the field on his shoulders.

PS: Brady's 2002 QB rating at 85.7 was lower than in 2001 at 86.5. Wilson is cruising along with 97 is rating with Brady and rg3 currently around 105.
 
Andrew Luck has taken the same 1-15 team or 2-14 team, whichever, and turned them into a playoff team, I can't see any other rookie doing that.

There was something odd going on in Indianapolis...I didn't follow it real close but just by the numbers I wouldn't call the Colts a 2-14 team ....They were certainly not a 2-14 team just the year before THAT. I think they just dumped a whole season into the garbage to get Luck.

Were they a 2-14 team with Manning? No of course not. Calling them a 2-14 team and "this is a big miracle" is bullshit. They had EVERYTHING in place. A typical 2-14 team is not lacking just the QB.
 
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Andrew Luck has taken the same 1-15 team or 2-14 team, whichever, and turned them into a playoff team, I can't see any other rookie doing that.

There was something odd going on in Baltimore...I didn't follow it real close but just by the numbers I wouldn't call the Colts a 2-14 team ....They were certainly not a 2-14 team just the year before THAT. I think they just dumped a whole season into the garbage to get Luck.

Were they a 2-14 team with Manning? No of course not. Calling them a 2-14 team and "this is a big miracle" is bullshit. They had EVERYTHING in place. A typical 2-14 team is not lacking just the QB.

Not sure about Baltimore, but in Indianapolis, Manning and now Luck are the difference, that team built a team around the QB, that's why they won so many games and not playoff games.
 
Andrew Luck has taken the same 1-15 team or 2-14 team, whichever, and turned them into a playoff team, I can't see any other rookie doing that.

There was something odd going on in Baltimore...I didn't follow it real close but just by the numbers I wouldn't call the Colts a 2-14 team ....They were certainly not a 2-14 team just the year before THAT. I think they just dumped a whole season into the garbage to get Luck.

Were they a 2-14 team with Manning? No of course not. Calling them a 2-14 team and "this is a big miracle" is bullshit. They had EVERYTHING in place. A typical 2-14 team is not lacking just the QB.

Not sure about Baltimore, but in Indianapolis, Manning and now Luck are the difference, that team built a team around the QB, that's why they won so many games and not playoff games.

My bad... I still have a hard time with teams going to other cities. I agree that the team was built around Manning ..but it wasn't a complete overhaul or anything when Luck stepped in. The kid is great ..no doubt about it. BUT what if he was drafted by an HONEST 2-14 team that didn't have all of the rest of the pieces....like let's say a decent offensive line? He certainly wouldn't enjoy the success he has had.
 
I've been astonished that some of the national stories compare Wilson to Tom brady... but they use this years stats for Brady completely ignoring that Wilson is a rookie. The only reasonable measure would be Brady's SECOND year because he wasn't good enough to start more than one game.

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
2012 New England Patriots 13 495 319 64.4 38.1 3,833 7.7 294.8 29 5.9 4 0.8 83T 43 6 20 135 104.2

2011 New England Patriots 16 611 401 65.6 38.2 5,235 8.6 327.2 39 6.4 12 2.0 99T 71 14 32 173 105.6

2010 New England Patriots 16 492 324 65.9 30.8 3,900 7.9 243.8 36 7.3 4 0.8 79T 53 9 25 175 111.0

2009 New England Patriots 16 565 371 65.7 35.3 4,398 7.8 274.9 28 5.0 13 2.3 81T 43 12 16 86 96.2

2008 New England Patriots 1 11 7 63.6 11.0 76 6.9 76.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 26 1 0 0 0 83.9

2007 New England Patriots 16 578 398 68.9 36.1 4,806 8.3 300.4 50 8.7 8 1.4 69T 56 15 21 128 117.2

2006 New England Patriots 16 516 319 61.8 32.2 3,529 6.8 220.6 24 4.7 12 2.3 62T 46 8 26 175 87.9

2005 New England Patriots 16 530 334 63.0 33.1 4,110 7.8 256.9 26 4.9 14 2.6 71 59 9 26 188 92.3

2004 New England Patriots 16 474 288 60.8 29.6 3,692 7.8 230.8 28 5.9 14 3.0 50 52 10 26 162 92.6

2003 New England Patriots 16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 82T 44 8 32 219 85.9

2002 New England Patriots 16 601 373 62.1 37.6 3,764 6.3 235.2 28 4.7 14 2.3 49T 37 3 31 190 85.7

2001 New England Patriots 15 413 264 63.9 27.5 2,843 6.9 189.5 18 4.4 12 2.9 91T 32 6 41 216 86.5

2000 New England Patriots 1 3 1 33.3 3.0 6 2.0 6.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 6 0 0 0 0 42.4

TOTAL 174 5,816 3,716 63.9 33.4 43,812 7.5 251.8 329 5.7 119 2.0 99 537 100 296 1,847 97.0

Note that Wilson is on track to do better statistically than Brady in his SECOND year.

Brady and Wilson are completely different QB's.

And 2001 was basically Tom's first year.

Bill didn't take the reigns off him until some point in the 2002 season.

Who knows how good any rookie QB could be or could have been. Believe it or not Wilson did not start out with a free reign. Corroll spoke to that this week in his Wednesday press conference. He praised his third round pick as having done the work that he was way ahead of what anyone could have expected and has been given far more leeway in his playcalling in the last couple of games and Wilson has responded better to the new responsibilty with more steady play than could have been hoped for. The Loss in Miami was as much play calling,(by the Seahawk Offensive co-ordinator) as not and the win in Chicago with TWO winning drives was pretty much all Wison checking off and taking the team straight down the field on his shoulders.

PS: Brady's 2002 QB rating at 85.7 was lower than in 2001 at 86.5. Wilson is cruising along with 97 is rating with Brady and rg3 currently around 105.

Rating schmating :lol:

Brady won titles in three of his first four years as a starter.
 
Brady and Wilson are completely different QB's.

And 2001 was basically Tom's first year.

Bill didn't take the reigns off him until some point in the 2002 season.

Who knows how good any rookie QB could be or could have been. Believe it or not Wilson did not start out with a free reign. Corroll spoke to that this week in his Wednesday press conference. He praised his third round pick as having done the work that he was way ahead of what anyone could have expected and has been given far more leeway in his playcalling in the last couple of games and Wilson has responded better to the new responsibilty with more steady play than could have been hoped for. The Loss in Miami was as much play calling,(by the Seahawk Offensive co-ordinator) as not and the win in Chicago with TWO winning drives was pretty much all Wison checking off and taking the team straight down the field on his shoulders.

PS: Brady's 2002 QB rating at 85.7 was lower than in 2001 at 86.5. Wilson is cruising along with 97 is rating with Brady and rg3 currently around 105.

Rating schmating :lol:

Brady won titles in three of his first four years as a starter.

What are you smoking? Brady played one game in his rookie year, 2001 . He won MVP in 2007 with a rating of 117.2. He won his second and last in 2010 with a rating of 111.
 
The race for NFL Rookie of the year is getting interesting

Two first rounders vs the lowly 3rd rounder.

Right now RGIII has like 18 TDs

Russell Wilson 20 TDs

Andrew Luck 18 TDs

OK I'm a homer and ya..Wilson is like 5' 10"

Does Wilson stand a chance against these two well publicised rookie QBs?

You only list TD. I will admit it's a tough call and if any of the 3 got it I wouldn't be upset. They are all deserving, but the Colts were supposed to be so bad they were discussion they wouldn't win even 1 game and this was going to be a bad season for the fans, yet they clinched a playoff seat. RJ3 has been insane. While his ground game is amazing, he doesn't rely on it. His arm is just as dangerous. Might be the scariest QB in game. Wilson has the stats on his side and 8-5 record, but Seattle was supposed to be decent.

If I had to go with one it would have to be Luck. Before the season there were talks that the Colts might be the worst team ever and they are 9-4 and one more win away from heading to the playoffs. That has be taken into consideration.



However, I would probably want RJ3 for the long run over Luck. He is so deadly with his arm and legs, best combo you could ask for!

Doug Martin should also be considered! What he is doing is insane!
 
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I'm a Wilson homer too but does anyone think that RB Adrian Peterson would have a chance if he breaks Eric Dickerson's single season rushing record?

MVP is contingent on what value the player is to the team and does that value exceed the value of other great performers to their teams. But that is just the first qualifier. I have rarely seen a crappy team or one that did not make the playoffs get an MVP for their team.

The award is chosen by a vote of players and sports writers. That tilts the ballot towards players that are in or near large media centers.

Wilson and Dickerson are at a definite dissadvantage. BUT if Adrian overtakes Dickersons total and somehow(I bite my tongue) Wilson leads tha Seahawks to the Superbowl(I don't think a true rookie QB has ever even PLAYED in a Super Bowl.. then it should be a very interesting ballot.


But then this thread is about NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. :lol:
 
Tommorow is going to be huge for Wilson. The Bills sheduled a "home" game in Toronto.. That was dumb. Luck will be tested big time going into Houston just after losing to the Patriots.

Rg3 ...not so much he is through for the season.
 

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