Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[Andylusion]

The perfect example.
In 1987, super-rich meant $50 - $100 million.

That's 30 years ago when there were no billionaires and there was still a thriving
middle class.

Unfortunately that movie is crap. Only the stupid people of this world, watch a hollywood flick, and pretend that is how reality is. It's a movie stupid. Not real life.

Yet another reason poor people stay poor. Instead of getting off your butt, and finding out how life works by earning a living like the rest of us, you watch a movie, and think you are now some sort of informed expert on anything..

No, you are not. In fact you are likely more stupid now, after watching that dumb movie, than you were before.

The middle class is thriving in the US. it is ridiculous to even attempt an argument to the contrary.

Why do you think more immigrants are trying to get into the US, than any European nation?

You realize two people working for minimum wage.... wife husband, working McDonald's at minimum wage... places them at the top 1% of wage earners in the world? The entire planet. Top 1% of the Earth.

Yeah, middle class is dead... what ignorant moron.

 

[the other mike]

what ignorant moron.

Films are often very good historical references, but Internet trolls like you
wouldn't care anyway.

 

[Andylusion]

And again... another example of why poor people are poor. Instead of learning from people who are wealthy, you attack and mock them.

It's ok with me, if you want to remain ignorant and poor until you die. That's your choice.

But don't expect others to feel badly, because they are acting wisely. That's just retarded for you to do.

You're just another anonymous troll to me.
And btw, as I've told you before, I'm not poor.....or jealous, or angry or any of the other
descriptions you try to pin on me.

Of course not. That's the total hypocrisy of left-wingers. You all are rich for doing what you then decry. You teach others to not do, what they should to be wealthy, and then decry that others are poor, and the rich are rich.

You people are the biggest total snobbish hypocrites in the world. And you know it.

This is why there is far more hatred of the wealthy, not in the lowest income earners, but in the spoiled brat rich kids. It's true. It's a fact. Most of the most whiny people in our culture... not people like me, who earn our keep, and invest and save wisely. No, it's always people like you.

 

[Andylusion]

what ignorant moron.

Films are often very good historical references, but Internet trolls like you
wouldn't care anyway.

I love how now, anyone with a different opinion, is a troll.

Why, because I posted facts straight from my own 401K, after you mocked people who save in 401Ks?

"You made a valid point! So you are a troll!"
Left-winger cry babies. Defeating you, was like taking a sucker from a toddler.

 

[the other mike]

Left-winger cry babies. Defeating you, was like taking a sucker from a toddler.

Weaponizing the Term "Conspiracy Theory": Disinformation Agents and the CIA - Global Research

First published on May 11, 2016 ‘Conspiracy theory’ is a term that strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain...

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Internet troll: A person, usually operating under a pseudonym, who posts deliberately provocative messages to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of provoking maximum disruption and argument. They are often paid by nefarious sources but sometime are motivated to do so for their own amusement. They often try to provoke dissension and doubt by writing dis-informational letters to the editors of newspapers.

Another good definition of an internet troll: A person who purposely and deliberately starts an online or media argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by other commenters. He will often use ad hominem attacks.

 

[Andylusion]

Left-winger cry babies. Defeating you, was like taking a sucker from a toddler.

Weaponizing the Term "Conspiracy Theory": Disinformation Agents and the CIA - Global Research

First published on May 11, 2016 ‘Conspiracy theory’ is a term that strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain...

www.globalresearch.ca

Internet troll: A person, usually operating under a pseudonym, who posts deliberately provocative messages to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of provoking maximum disruption and argument. They are often paid by nefarious sources but sometime are motivated to do so for their own amusement. They often try to provoke dissension and doubt by writing dis-informational letters to the editors of newspapers.

Another good definition of an internet troll: A person who purposely and deliberately starts an online or media argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by other commenters. He will often use ad hominem attacks.

Hey I called you out, for what you were.

If you had an argument to make, you wouldn't be randomly saying I'm a troll, for making valid arguments against you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The perfect example.
In 1987, super-rich meant $50 - $100 million.

That's 30 years ago when there were no billionaires and there was still a thriving
middle class.

That's 30 years ago when there were no billionaires and there was still a thriving
middle class.

Liar.

Forbes History: The Original 1987 List Of International Billionaires

Five years after the first issue of the Forbes 400, the World's Billionaires List was created. Here's a look into that original list, published in October, 1987.

www.forbes.com

 

[P@triot]

And spare me the whining "He started it!" routine; I already have children, and don't need any more.

Nobody brings the thunder like Cecilia!

 

[the other mike]

Hey I called you out, for what you were.

If you had an argument to make, you wouldn't be randomly saying I'm a troll, for making valid arguments against you.

At page 97, I suspect it's all been covered by now.

 

[P@triot]

Yeah. Try to downplay the fact that the 3 richest Americans own more wealth than the bottom 50% ( 175 million people) 3 vs 175,000,000

Yeah...try to downplay the fact that the 3 wealthiest Americans earned more than the bottom 50%. They didn’t steal it. Nobody “distributed” it to them. They didn’t even find it. They earned that shit. So sit down and shut the fuck up, truther boy.

 

[the other mike]

And spare me the whining "He started it!" routine; I already have children, and don't need any more.

And if I need to get bitched at my wife's already had 32 years of practice, but thanks for the offer.

 

[the other mike]

Yeah. Try to downplay the fact that the 3 richest Americans own more wealth than the bottom 50% ( 175 million people) 3 vs 175,000,000

Yeah...try to downplay the fact that the 3 wealthiest Americans earned more than the bottom 50%. They didn’t steal it. Nobody “distributed” it to them. They didn’t even find it. They earned that shit. So sit down and shut the fuck up, truther boy.

My, my.
All the trolls are out tonight.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah. Try to downplay the fact that the 3 richest Americans own more wealth than the bottom 50% ( 175 million people) 3 vs 175,000,000

Yeah...try to downplay the fact that the 3 wealthiest Americans earned more than the bottom 50%. They didn’t steal it. Nobody “distributed” it to them. They didn’t even find it. They earned that shit. So sit down and shut the fuck up, truther boy.

My, my.
All the trolls are out tonight.

But his point is still valid.

Mark Zuckerberg didn't steal his money. He didn't find it laying out on the sidewalk. He did not collect it from "society". It was not "distributed" to him. He got his wealth, through his hard work.

He earned it, and he has a right to it. Just like I have a right to the wealth I rightfully have.

 

[Contumacious]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”



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The ignorant fucktards never cease to amaze


After 1900 the "progressives" turned the US into a FASCIST REPUBLIC

A partial list of interventions — those government economic regulations — would include:

• Bureau of Corporations (1903)
• Interstate Commerce Act major amendments (1903, 1906, 1910)
• Meat Inspection Act (1906)
• Pure Food and Drug Act (1906)
• Corporation Tax (1911)
• Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) (Income Tax)
• Federal Reserve System (1913)
• Clayton Antitrust Act (1914)
• Federal Trade Commission (1914)
• U.S. Immigration (cut to a trickle during 1915—1920)
• Adamson Act (1916) (railroad labor wage rates)
• Shipping Act (1916)
• National Defense Act (1916)
• Army Appropriations Act (1916) (later took over railroads)
• Selective Service Act (1917)
• Espionage Act (1917)
• Lever Act (1917) (food and fuel) (prohibited alcohol)
• Overman Act (1918) (executive powers)
• War Finance Corporation Act (1918)
• President’s Mediation Commission (1917) (labor relations)
• Federal Control Act (1918)
• Sedition Act (1918)

Does this look like a laissez-faire list?

Delete the thread and apologize.

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[the other mike]

But his point is still valid.

Mark Zuckerberg didn't steal his money. He didn't find it laying out on the sidewalk. He did not collect it from "society". It was not "distributed" to him. He got his wealth, through his hard work.

He earned it, and he has a right to it. Just like I have a right to the wealth I rightfully have.

When an individual is given the privilege of generating a billion dollars in the United States of America, it can only be only because there is a strong and vibrant economy.

But that's not what we have, is it ? We're a globalist-controlled empire with an economy based on wars that crooked politicians start $7 TRILLION flushed in the Middle East toilet the past 20 years.

That's stealing and murder.

Don't tell me the shit isn't rigged.

 

[the other mike]

 

[the other mike]

 

[the other mike]

Yeah...try to downplay the fact that the 3 wealthiest Americans earned more than the bottom 50%. They didn’t steal it. Nobody “distributed” it to them. They didn’t even find it. They earned that shit. So sit down and shut the fuck up, truther boy.

The ignorant fucktards never cease to amaze

I've asked the mods to close this thread, thanks to trolls like you.
Run along now. It's been real.