Newtown= game changer?

[Dot Com]

Will/should ANYTHING be done?

Gen. McChrystal: Assault rifles are for battlefields, not schools

“I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that,” McChrystal explained. “That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.”

Connecticut school victims were shot multiple times - CNN.com

Carver, who performed autopsies on seven of the victims, said the wounds he knew about were caused by a "long weapon." Asked by a reporter whether the rifle was the primary weapon, he responded, "Yes."
He spoke as police released a list of the names of ages of the victims. Twelve girls and eight boys were killed, all either 6 or 7 years old.

(CDZ standards apply)

 

[Zander]

Nope. It's not a game changer and nothing will happen.

 

[Dot Com]

how so? please go on.

 

[Zander]

how so? please go on.

Obama is not serious because "Gun control" is a loser politically. He cares so little about it that he put Joe Biden in charge.

 

[Zander]

Look at the composition of the Senate. Over half get an A rating from the NRA and that includes a great deal of Democrats. Any legislation that did manage to pass the Senate would be DOA in the House.

Where the Senate stands on Gun Control in one chart

 

[Mad Scientist]

If the US Military turns in all their equipment and goes back to Flintlock Rifles, so will I.

 

[Dot Com]

this is what happens when people like Gingrich argue that $= speech. The NRA/gun manufacturers love that reasoning, corporations are people YET they cannot be jailed en masse or drafted as individuals have over the years.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The Assault Weapons Ban was one of the primary catalysts resulting in the Democrats losing control of the House of Representatives in 1994 for the first time in 40 years. If you guys want another 1994 or 2010 style rout in Congress by the Republicans in 2014 then by all means, keep pushing your oppressive gun control nonsense. This is the Republicans' third rail of politics to rally their troops equivalent to the Democrats with Social Insecurity.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Why not do what Israel does? Fully armed guards at schools? Obama has 11 fully armed guards watching over his daughters at Sidwell. He must think it is a good idea for his own children? Why not do this at all schools as Israel has zero events due to their policy at schools. Same goes for Israeli air travel. Zero incidents on hijackings, etc. Why are we not using what has been proven to work for Israel? Read this to understand what Path America is going down right now, people.






(NaturalNews) What you are about to read is astonishing. I'm not even sure what's the right conclusion to draw from it. But here's what we know so far:

John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at Noveske Rifleworks, LLC. are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it's a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013.

According to the Outdoor Wire, his car "traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected."

But barely a week before this incident, John Noveske posted a lengthy, detailed post on Facebook that listed all the school shootings tied to psychiatric drugs. At the end of the post, he asked, "What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on?"

That was the last post he ever made. (Full text below.)


Mysterious death during gun control debate raises questions
John Noveske wasn't the first prominent gun rights supporter to be killed in the last few days. Keith Ratliff, the creator of a super-popular YouTube channel featuring videos of exotic weapons, was also recently found dead.

The Daily Mail reports that Ratliff was "discovered on a rural road in Carnesville, Georgia. Ratliff had a single gunshot wound the head and police are treating his death as a homicide."

Someone murdered Ratliff, in other words, and it had to be someone with the ability to get close enough to Ratliff to take him out without warning.

Beyond these two shootings, the widely-discredited CNN journalist Piers Morgan, wanted for questioning in Britain's Daily Mirror phone hacking scandal, invited guests onto his show who threatened Alex Jones' children and laughed about the idea of Piers Morgan shooting Alex Jones with an AR-15.

That astonishing video interview is available at:
www.infowars.com/veiled-threat-piers-morgan-guest-says-shoot-alex-jon...

Steve Quayle, creator of SteveQuayle.com, says "the red list is on!" This refers to the so-called "red list" -- a secret kill list of Americans authorized by Obama and designed to be invoked immediately before an attempted radical leftist takeover of the nation. In support of this theory, Obama himself actually signed into law the NDAA which authorizes secret assassinations of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.

Instead of the red list being "conspiracy theory," it appears to be a key component of Obama's domestic policy.


Beyond coincidence: Pieces of the puzzle rapidly coming together
Sure, a car crash involving John Noveske could be a coincidence. It could also be a coincidence that no video footage has been released from Sandy Hook showing Adam Lanza carrying any rifle whatsoever.

It might also be a coincidence that Dianne Feinstein just happened to have her detailed gun confiscation bill ready to release immediately following the Sandy Hook shooting.

It might also be a total coincidence that according to Google.com, the United Way Sandy Hook donation support page was created on December 11, 2012 -- a full three days before the shooting took place.

It could also be a total coincidence that NBC News reported Adam Lanza's AR-15 rifle was left in his car and was never used in the shooting at all.

I suppose it could be a coincidence that Bank of America slammed home an economic embargo against an online gun parts retailer in the days following the Sandy Hook shooting.

And it could be coincidence that Facebook suspended or shut down the accounts of hundreds of prominent people who advocated the Second Amendment, including our account here at Natural News.

And finally, it could be a total coincidence that police radio recordings seem to indicate there were multiple shooters involved in Sandy Hook.

But what are the odds of ALL of these coincidences existing simultaneously? Those odds are virtually zero.

Something's fishy with all this. It's becoming increasingly apparent that an order has come down from the very top to destroy, silence, threaten or execute true American patriots. Steve Quayle has long predicted this would be the very first step before foreign troops are unleashed on American soil to take over the country and deliver it, just as Obama has always planned, into the hands of the globalist crime syndicate.

It all sounds outrageous, I admit, and I'm not even sure what to believe myself. But it's becoming more difficult by the day to deny actual events happening right before our eyes. Believe what you will, but don't be surprised if people like Steve Quayle and Alex Jones were right all along. If we see any more mysterious deaths of prominent gun advocates, it going to raise huge red flags across the patriot community.


Read John Noveske's last Facebook post
This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.
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[Luissa]

We are not Israel. I do not want an armed guard at my child's grade school. Sorry

 

[Dot Com]

Why not do what Israel does? Fully armed guards at schools? Obama has 11 fully armed guards watching over his daughters at Sidwell. He must think it is a good idea for his own children? Why not do this at all schools as Israel has zero events due to their policy at schools. Same goes for Israeli air travel. Zero incidents on hijackings, etc. Why are we not using what has been proven to work for Israel? Read this to understand what Path America is going down right now, people.

Israel also has compulsory military service and universal health care.

 

[there4eyeM]

Whether one likes firearms or not, the fact is we are no longer in the eighteenth century.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Whether one likes firearms or not, the fact is we are no longer in the eighteenth century.

Exactly.

In the 18th Century you had to be one accountable sumbitch.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We are not Israel. I do not want an armed guard at my child's grade school. Sorry

Personally, I find the whole idea to be very Orwellian, but it should be a decision for the local community, not the feds. Let the school districts and the people in those communities decide for themselves what they want.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

We are not Israel. I do not want an armed guard at my child's grade school. Sorry

You still wouldn't want it? Sounds as if you do not understand the truth that it is not guns who kill people but people who kill people.

-Jeremiah

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Why not do what Israel does? Fully armed guards at schools? Obama has 11 fully armed guards watching over his daughters at Sidwell. He must think it is a good idea for his own children? Why not do this at all schools as Israel has zero events due to their policy at schools. Same goes for Israeli air travel. Zero incidents on hijackings, etc. Why are we not using what has been proven to work for Israel? Read this to understand what Path America is going down right now, people.

Israel also has compulsory military service and universal health care.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all, but thanks for sharing.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

We are not Israel. I do not want an armed guard at my child's grade school. Sorry

Personally, I find the whole idea to be very Orwellian, but it should be a decision for the local community, not the feds. Let the school districts and the people in those communities decide for themselves what they want.

It should be the decision of the State. Not the Federal government. They have no business deciding such matters for individual States. Nevertheless, Israel is a very tiny nation facing terrorism of the highest degree every single day. To know that their statistics are zero casualties in schools and zero casualties on their airplanes tells me we need to dump TSA procedures and adapt Israeli procedures of radical profiling. Same goes for the protection of our public school system.

-Jeremiah

 

[OODA_Loop]

We are not Israel. I do not want an armed guard at my child's grade school. Sorry

There is a Deputy or Officer at each of our schools.

We love it.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Why not do what Israel does? Fully armed guards at schools? Obama has 11 fully armed guards watching over his daughters at Sidwell. He must think it is a good idea for his own children? Why not do this at all schools as Israel has zero events due to their policy at schools. Same goes for Israeli air travel. Zero incidents on hijackings, etc. Why are we not using what has been proven to work for Israel? Read this to understand what Path America is going down right now, people.

Israel also has compulsory military service and universal health care.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all, but thanks for sharing.

As for their "universal healthcare" I believe you will find their healthcare bill to be the antithesis of the Obama Care bill. If you want the real facts on Obamacare you will need ot look up on Google, "Complete Lives Systems" which spells out the facts about the curve bell for who gets the greatest access to healthcare. Anyone who is not 0 -14 years of age or over the age of 65 yrs of age..... why? They don't produce for the state the way the rest of the population does. Open your eyes because Israeli healthcare is most definitely not anything like what Obamacare is bringing to your front door. - Jeremiah

 

[catzmeow]

how so? please go on.

Obama is not serious because "Gun control" is a loser politically. He cares so little about it that he put Joe Biden in charge.

This is the most rational thing I've seen posted about the subject. Nobody who cared about an issue would make Joe Biden the point man.