News Flash: 100% of Americans, every single one, recieves govt assistance.

[bucs90]

First of all, a national defense is a proper and constitutionally provided federal function...You nutty opinion that the only thing keeping ravenous hordes from invading America is merely because of the military is so absurd that it deserves no further mention.

Fire and police are locally provided services that are presumably equally available to all....Moreover, police and fire services are a collectivized expression of the individual right to be free from criminal aggression and to safeguard my property should my neighbor's catch fire....The notion that the only thing keeping marauding hordes for burning, looting, pillaging and raping is the existence of police is an equally laughable as your preposterous assertion about the military.

Roads are equally available to all and paid for by fuel taxes and registration fees of those who use them, not as an appendage of the socialistic welfare/redistributionist state.

I have no choice as to whether or not I pay for the monopoly of gubmint schools....They are a defacto welfare program for the middle class....And, like all other welfare programs, they are wasteful, inefficient and fall far short of their promises to deliver the goods...It's amusing that you'd try to bring them up.

Now, you'd better get to cleaning all them red herrings, before they get to smellin' too bad.

Interesting.

So...if we abolished the military and all police departments in America.......we'd prosper in peace for the next century..right?

 

[Oddball]

First of all, a national defense is a proper and constitutionally provided federal function...You nutty opinion that the only thing keeping ravenous hordes from invading America is merely because of the military is so absurd that it deserves no further mention.

Fire and police are locally provided services that are presumably equally available to all....Moreover, police and fire services are a collectivized expression of the individual right to be free from criminal aggression and to safeguard my property should my neighbor's catch fire....The notion that the only thing keeping marauding hordes for burning, looting, pillaging and raping is the existence of police is an equally laughable as your preposterous assertion about the military.

Roads are equally available to all and paid for by fuel taxes and registration fees of those who use them, not as an appendage of the socialistic welfare/redistributionist state.

I have no choice as to whether or not I pay for the monopoly of gubmint schools....They are a defacto welfare program for the middle class....And, like all other welfare programs, they are wasteful, inefficient and fall far short of their promises to deliver the goods...It's amusing that you'd try to bring them up.

Now, you'd better get to cleaning all them red herrings, before they get to smellin' too bad.

Interesting.

So...if we abolished the military and all police departments in America.......we'd prosper in peace for the next century..right?

Another ridiculous red herring.

I now see why you became an Oboingo voter...Someone sucked out your brain.

 

[shintao]

Im so sick of this shit: "Makers" vs "Takers". People need to check their ego and realize they aren't some Knight of The Taxpayers Order or anything special.

Here is what EVERY American recieves from the government, aka, government assistance:

- You werent/aren't being invaded/attacked by The Soviet Union, Nazis, Cuba, China, North Korea because of the Federal Military's protection. Thats government workers, assisting you in your comfortable life.

- You aren't being murdered/raped/robbed, and neither is your family or your home, because there are Federal, State and City cops protecting you 24/7. Theres a reason the Bloods, Crips and OWS'ers aren't storming the gates of the local gated country club to steal your shit and rape your women. Cuz govt workers are there to stop them, arrest them.

- Your home's insurance rates are lower...and home is safer...because of a local fire department. If the Fire Department recieves the highest class rating (Class 3 I believe) then YOUR home insurance rates go down. Not to mention ALL full time fire depts have paramedics on staff, who provide on-scene first medical care, and if you dont need to be transported, it saves you a trip to the ER (and thus, a hit on your insurance). So when the rich lady in the pearly gates of Flowing Meadows Country Club has chest pain, the local FD arrives, determines it's not serious, and she gets off with no medical bill. Same for poor folk.


- You drive to work on safe roads. The goods your business ships in or out do so on safe roads. Thats because of cops and work crews. Unless you own a road building/paving company, you are getting assistance from the government.

- You have public schools to send your brats to. That saves you a shit load of money from not having to pay for private school. AND...it allows you to hire workers with education. Your family and business benefit from the existence of government schools.

- You enjoy a safety net should you fail in your business. Heck, just the idea that failing means bankruptcy and a safety net (rather than starvation and despair) means you can take a few more risks than people in...say...countries without a safety net. Even if you never use that safety net, its there, and your peace of mind in knowing it's there causes you less stress, and probably is why some take more business risks here. Failing in America means an apartment and a Hyundai, not starvation and a cardboard box.




All you holier-than-thou motherfuckers bitching about "Theres only makers and takers" need to shut the f**k up, spoiled assholes.

I pay for those services. Too many Americans do not.

Understand now, dipshit?

I also served in the military for 20 years, so I am the reason you have not been invaded by the USSR.

.

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm thinking somebody needs to understand the difference between forming social contracts to achieve shared government services and other government benefits.

There is a difference.

 

[bucs90]

Nope, you can go float that pile of horseshit over in Sweden or some other socialist utopia. It's my tax dollars that are paying for roads and highways. And those firefighters and cops salaries are being paid with my tax dollars. So, in essence, I'm assisting the government. And before you bring up tax credits, it was my money anyway before the govt decided to start parsing it out for their coffers.

Ok. So you think your precious tax dollars aren't giving you more in return?

How much would it cost you to hire your own private police and firemen to protect you and your home, and ONLY you and your home? And to build and maintain roads to your job, school, restaurants, etc, only for you to drive on?

You are getting WAY MORE in return for your tax dollars.

 

[Stephanie]

Im so sick of this shit: "Makers" vs "Takers". People need to check their ego and realize they aren't some Knight of The Taxpayers Order or anything special.

Here is what EVERY American recieves from the government, aka, government assistance:

- You werent/aren't being invaded/attacked by The Soviet Union, Nazis, Cuba, China, North Korea because of the Federal Military's protection. Thats government workers, assisting you in your comfortable life.

- You aren't being murdered/raped/robbed, and neither is your family or your home, because there are Federal, State and City cops protecting you 24/7. Theres a reason the Bloods, Crips and OWS'ers aren't storming the gates of the local gated country club to steal your shit and rape your women. Cuz govt workers are there to stop them, arrest them.

- Your home's insurance rates are lower...and home is safer...because of a local fire department. If the Fire Department recieves the highest class rating (Class 3 I believe) then YOUR home insurance rates go down. Not to mention ALL full time fire depts have paramedics on staff, who provide on-scene first medical care, and if you dont need to be transported, it saves you a trip to the ER (and thus, a hit on your insurance). So when the rich lady in the pearly gates of Flowing Meadows Country Club has chest pain, the local FD arrives, determines it's not serious, and she gets off with no medical bill. Same for poor folk.


- You drive to work on safe roads. The goods your business ships in or out do so on safe roads. Thats because of cops and work crews. Unless you own a road building/paving company, you are getting assistance from the government.

- You have public schools to send your brats to. That saves you a shit load of money from not having to pay for private school. AND...it allows you to hire workers with education. Your family and business benefit from the existence of government schools.

- You enjoy a safety net should you fail in your business. Heck, just the idea that failing means bankruptcy and a safety net (rather than starvation and despair) means you can take a few more risks than people in...say...countries without a safety net. Even if you never use that safety net, its there, and your peace of mind in knowing it's there causes you less stress, and probably is why some take more business risks here. Failing in America means an apartment and a Hyundai, not starvation and a cardboard box.




All you holier-than-thou motherfuckers bitching about "Theres only makers and takers" need to shut the f**k up, spoiled assholes.

I pay for those services. Too many Americans do not.

Understand now, dipshit?

I also served in the military for 20 years, so I am the reason you have not been invaded by the USSR.

.

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

 

[bucs90]

Im so sick of this shit: "Makers" vs "Takers". People need to check their ego and realize they aren't some Knight of The Taxpayers Order or anything special.

Here is what EVERY American recieves from the government, aka, government assistance:

- You werent/aren't being invaded/attacked by The Soviet Union, Nazis, Cuba, China, North Korea because of the Federal Military's protection. Thats government workers, assisting you in your comfortable life.

- You aren't being murdered/raped/robbed, and neither is your family or your home, because there are Federal, State and City cops protecting you 24/7. Theres a reason the Bloods, Crips and OWS'ers aren't storming the gates of the local gated country club to steal your shit and rape your women. Cuz govt workers are there to stop them, arrest them.

- Your home's insurance rates are lower...and home is safer...because of a local fire department. If the Fire Department recieves the highest class rating (Class 3 I believe) then YOUR home insurance rates go down. Not to mention ALL full time fire depts have paramedics on staff, who provide on-scene first medical care, and if you dont need to be transported, it saves you a trip to the ER (and thus, a hit on your insurance). So when the rich lady in the pearly gates of Flowing Meadows Country Club has chest pain, the local FD arrives, determines it's not serious, and she gets off with no medical bill. Same for poor folk.


- You drive to work on safe roads. The goods your business ships in or out do so on safe roads. Thats because of cops and work crews. Unless you own a road building/paving company, you are getting assistance from the government.

- You have public schools to send your brats to. That saves you a shit load of money from not having to pay for private school. AND...it allows you to hire workers with education. Your family and business benefit from the existence of government schools.

- You enjoy a safety net should you fail in your business. Heck, just the idea that failing means bankruptcy and a safety net (rather than starvation and despair) means you can take a few more risks than people in...say...countries without a safety net. Even if you never use that safety net, its there, and your peace of mind in knowing it's there causes you less stress, and probably is why some take more business risks here. Failing in America means an apartment and a Hyundai, not starvation and a cardboard box.




All you holier-than-thou motherfuckers bitching about "Theres only makers and takers" need to shut the f**k up, spoiled assholes.

I pay for those services. Too many Americans do not.

Understand now, dipshit?

I also served in the military for 20 years, so I am the reason you have not been invaded by the USSR.

.

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

Careful, he's Rambo. He and he alone stopped the USSR from invading us. I'd guess with his 20 years of service......now MY TAX DOLLAR is subsidizing his ridiculously early retirement life.

 

[jasonnfree]

First of all, a national defense is a proper and constitutionally provided federal function...Your nutty opinion that the only thing keeping ravenous hordes from invading America is merely because of the military is so absurd that it deserves no further mention.

Fire and police are locally provided services that are presumably equally available to all....Moreover, police and fire services are a collectivized expression of the individual right to be free from criminal aggression and to safeguard my property should my neighbor's catch fire....The notion that the only thing keeping marauding hordes for burning, looting, pillaging and raping is the existence of police is an equally laughable as your preposterous assertion about the military.

Roads are equally available to all and paid for by fuel taxes and registration fees of those who use them, not as an appendage of the socialistic welfare/redistributionist state.

I have no choice as to whether or not I pay for the monopoly of gubmint schools....They are a defacto welfare program for the middle class....And, like all other welfare programs, they are wasteful, inefficient and fall far short of their promises to deliver the goods...It's amusing that you'd try to bring them up.

Now, you'd better get to cleaning all them red herrings, before they get to smellin' too bad.

Are there any other kind of schools besides "gubmint" schools for the average family? Do any other major nations have other than public schools for their people?

 

[g5000]

Every American who makes 1 purchase a year pays sales tax. Most municipal services are paid for through sales tax, property tax, hospitality tax. Sure...the people living in rat infested shitholes with no joy, like the Atlanta ghettos, dont pay much. Do you envy them?

I served as a cop in ATL in those ghettos. The rich folks and middle class folks in the Buckead area and other suburbs weren't raped, robbed, murdered by those animals because of the PD.

The USSR was a thread. Ghetto thugs are a threat. There are layers of govt for the different layers of threats.

BTW, nice arrogant attitude with "I am the reason" we weren't invaded. Sure, whatever Rambo. Im sure you and you alone stopped the USSR.

You said we "werent/aren't being invaded/attacked by The Soviet Union, Nazis, Cuba, China, North Korea because of the Federal Military's protection. Thats government workers, assisting you in your comfortable life."

I am the military you were talking about.

Are you not familiar with the rhetorical device I used? "I am the NRA". "I am the 99 percent and I vote".

Was that too complicated for you to figure out?


As for people who pay sales taxes, you mean to say you have not figured out that the amount of handouts people who live off the government tit receive exceeds whatever they pay in taxes? They are a net drain on the treasury.

I am not a drain. I have paid my freight, and then some.

Get it yet?

What you may not know...and any cop who has worked in a major city will agree....is that the welfare and food stamps...aren't for helping those people. Its to prevent mass violence. Government contains those people in their neighborhoods, gives enough handouts to simply keep them civil enough not to threaten the suburbs with mass violence. Fair? No. Effective? Well, yeah. Unless you have a better plan. Sure..."Lead a horse to water". Sounds great. Spend a few days working those neighborhoods, and you'll see the truth reality, up close, after dark. I'd love to see the culture changes where they can be led to water. But it aint happening for DECADES. Its too ingrained. Cutoff the welfare shit, and we'll have mass violence, sadly. I dont have a better answer. Do you? Or are you too busy single handedly stopping China from invading us?

I see. So you are endorsing blackmail. Give us a handout or we will riot. Nice.

The government created that situation. It has created that kind of dependence. The very reason those people in the inner cities are in that situation is precisely because of misplaced pie-in-sky "compassion".

You're damned straight it is too ingrained. It is too ingrained in the Democratic mindset. It is time to start gouging that rot out.

And the first thing to gouge out is this retarded idea that we are all government drains on the treasury.



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[Leweman]

Nope, you can go float that pile of horseshit over in Sweden or some other socialist utopia. It's my tax dollars that are paying for roads and highways. And those firefighters and cops salaries are being paid with my tax dollars. So, in essence, I'm assisting the government. And before you bring up tax credits, it was my money anyway before the govt decided to start parsing it out for their coffers.

Ok. So you think your precious tax dollars aren't giving you more in return?

How much would it cost you to hire your own private police and firemen to protect you and your home, and ONLY you and your home? And to build and maintain roads to your job, school, restaurants, etc, only for you to drive on?

You are getting WAY MORE in return for your tax dollars.

yep all tax dollars are spent on police, military and bridges ... who knew?

 

[g5000]

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

Wow. The retardation is deep around here.

The housing and food were part of the compensation for serving, dipshit. It wasn't free.

So if you want to make welfare recipients serve on the line for all the free shit they get, I'm all for it!


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[bucs90]

First of all, a national defense is a proper and constitutionally provided federal function...Your nutty opinion that the only thing keeping ravenous hordes from invading America is merely because of the military is so absurd that it deserves no further mention.

Fire and police are locally provided services that are presumably equally available to all....Moreover, police and fire services are a collectivized expression of the individual right to be free from criminal aggression and to safeguard my property should my neighbor's catch fire....The notion that the only thing keeping marauding hordes for burning, looting, pillaging and raping is the existence of police is an equally laughable as your preposterous assertion about the military.

Roads are equally available to all and paid for by fuel taxes and registration fees of those who use them, not as an appendage of the socialistic welfare/redistributionist state.

I have no choice as to whether or not I pay for the monopoly of gubmint schools....They are a defacto welfare program for the middle class....And, like all other welfare programs, they are wasteful, inefficient and fall far short of their promises to deliver the goods...It's amusing that you'd try to bring them up.

Now, you'd better get to cleaning all them red herrings, before they get to smellin' too bad.

Are there any other kind of schools besides "gubmint" schools for the average family? Do any other major nations have other than public schools for their people?

No. He'd rather just say "Fuck poor people" and only have private schools. If they cant afford it...fuck 'em. ALTHOUGH.....it was the precious founders who started the idea of a community school. Those damn commies!!!!!

 

[CrazedScotsman]

Im so sick of this shit: "Makers" vs "Takers". People need to check their ego and realize they aren't some Knight of The Taxpayers Order or anything special.

Here is what EVERY American recieves from the government, aka, government assistance:

- You werent/aren't being invaded/attacked by The Soviet Union, Nazis, Cuba, China, North Korea because of the Federal Military's protection. Thats government workers, assisting you in your comfortable life.

- You aren't being murdered/raped/robbed, and neither is your family or your home, because there are Federal, State and City cops protecting you 24/7. Theres a reason the Bloods, Crips and OWS'ers aren't storming the gates of the local gated country club to steal your shit and rape your women. Cuz govt workers are there to stop them, arrest them.

- Your home's insurance rates are lower...and home is safer...because of a local fire department. If the Fire Department recieves the highest class rating (Class 3 I believe) then YOUR home insurance rates go down. Not to mention ALL full time fire depts have paramedics on staff, who provide on-scene first medical care, and if you dont need to be transported, it saves you a trip to the ER (and thus, a hit on your insurance). So when the rich lady in the pearly gates of Flowing Meadows Country Club has chest pain, the local FD arrives, determines it's not serious, and she gets off with no medical bill. Same for poor folk.


- You drive to work on safe roads. The goods your business ships in or out do so on safe roads. Thats because of cops and work crews. Unless you own a road building/paving company, you are getting assistance from the government.

- You have public schools to send your brats to. That saves you a shit load of money from not having to pay for private school. AND...it allows you to hire workers with education. Your family and business benefit from the existence of government schools.

- You enjoy a safety net should you fail in your business. Heck, just the idea that failing means bankruptcy and a safety net (rather than starvation and despair) means you can take a few more risks than people in...say...countries without a safety net. Even if you never use that safety net, its there, and your peace of mind in knowing it's there causes you less stress, and probably is why some take more business risks here. Failing in America means an apartment and a Hyundai, not starvation and a cardboard box.




All you holier-than-thou motherfuckers bitching about "Theres only makers and takers" need to shut the f**k up, spoiled assholes.

The problem with this argument is that it's all paid for by taxpayer money. Seriously, where do you think the money comes from to pay for all the stuff the government does?

 

[Stephanie]

I pay for those services. Too many Americans do not.

Understand now, dipshit?

I also served in the military for 20 years, so I am the reason you have not been invaded by the USSR.

.

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

Careful, he's Rambo. He and he alone stopped the USSR from invading us. I'd guess with his 20 years of service......now MY TAX DOLLAR is subsidizing his ridiculously early retirement life.

man you lose a argument then get nasty
OUR military deserves everything they get..
the rest of you sucking off us taxpayers not so much

 

[bucs90]

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

Wow. The retardation is deep around here.

The housing and food were part of the compensation for serving, dipshit. It wasn't free.

.

What? My tax dollar pays for off base housing and food for those government workers? The rest of us dont get that. Cops who risk their lives dont get free housing and food from the taxpayer. NO government employee should get a sweeter deal than the rest of us. And now you are living off my tax dollar for life.

 

[Oddball]

I'm thinking somebody needs to understand the difference between forming social contracts to achieve shared government services and other government benefits.

There is a difference.

It's not even about the mythical "social contract" nonsense.

Roads are paid for by all who use them, except for bicyclists, via fuel taxes that every motorist pays.

Property taxes are used for police and fire services to protect property.

Gubmint schools ar another issue, but standard lolberal boilerplate lumps them into the mix because the whole tirade is about trying to bully and guilt people into believing that they're socialists, just like the socialists trying to bully and guilt trip them.

The whole pedantic and trite in argument in the OP isn't even worthy fodder for a high school debate club.

 

[kidrocks]

Nice stringer of red herrings, Gomer.

How many entitlements are you on little girl?

 

[Oddball]

First of all, a national defense is a proper and constitutionally provided federal function...Your nutty opinion that the only thing keeping ravenous hordes from invading America is merely because of the military is so absurd that it deserves no further mention.

Fire and police are locally provided services that are presumably equally available to all....Moreover, police and fire services are a collectivized expression of the individual right to be free from criminal aggression and to safeguard my property should my neighbor's catch fire....The notion that the only thing keeping marauding hordes for burning, looting, pillaging and raping is the existence of police is an equally laughable as your preposterous assertion about the military.

Roads are equally available to all and paid for by fuel taxes and registration fees of those who use them, not as an appendage of the socialistic welfare/redistributionist state.

I have no choice as to whether or not I pay for the monopoly of gubmint schools....They are a defacto welfare program for the middle class....And, like all other welfare programs, they are wasteful, inefficient and fall far short of their promises to deliver the goods...It's amusing that you'd try to bring them up.

Now, you'd better get to cleaning all them red herrings, before they get to smellin' too bad.

Are there any other kind of schools besides "gubmint" schools for the average family? Do any other major nations have other than public schools for their people?

Yes there are....Whatever other nations do is irrelevant.

 

[g5000]

Nope, you can go float that pile of horseshit over in Sweden or some other socialist utopia. It's my tax dollars that are paying for roads and highways. And those firefighters and cops salaries are being paid with my tax dollars. So, in essence, I'm assisting the government. And before you bring up tax credits, it was my money anyway before the govt decided to start parsing it out for their coffers.

Ok. So you think your precious tax dollars aren't giving you more in return?

How much would it cost you to hire your own private police and firemen to protect you and your home, and ONLY you and your home? And to build and maintain roads to your job, school, restaurants, etc, only for you to drive on?

You are getting WAY MORE in return for your tax dollars.

Goddam, you are stupid.

Did you not know that people DO hire private schools?

People pay their taxes AND pay for private schools to send their kids to get a superior education.

If those private schools were costing more than they were receiving, would they exist?

No.

So clearly there are people who are paying for all of the public services they receive as well. They are a net gain for the treasury so that others can suck off of them.

Have you STILL not figured it out?


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[bucs90]

How many people don't pay for what services? Huh dumbass?

Thank gawd you served. Did you get free meals, clothes, a roof over your head, etc. from the government. You know you could have went AWOL like Bush and refused those government handouts, but no, you chose to take them as long as they were free.

Careful, he's Rambo. He and he alone stopped the USSR from invading us. I'd guess with his 20 years of service......now MY TAX DOLLAR is subsidizing his ridiculously early retirement life.

man you lose a argument then get nasty
OUR military deserves everything they get..
the rest of you sucking off us taxpayers not so much

Why? Just because its the military? What about the cooks, dentists, etc, at our local AF and Navy bases, who'll never see combat, and maybe never even leave the country..they deserve that much more than, say, the local cops who kick in doors and get shot at? What about the Coast Guard? They are the military. They dont see combat. They basically do police work off shore. But they get free housing, free clothes, free food....but the same local cops and firemen they work with side by side on a daily basis dont. But you say the military should get anything and everything no questions asked? Why?