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[MaggieMae]

I said extreme far left not liberal dems. And there is also extreme far right.
This bill will cost to much in the future just like all large government programs.

We've been paying too much for years, this legislation aims to correct how we pay which in turn will hopefully reduce the amount we pay.

No, it does'nt ,that is why everyones insurance has gone up. If you read that bill (which I have) it is not set up at all to lower the cost. They hope it will ,but it won't.

Your suggestions would still require up-front government outlays to provide what you want anyway, but the alternative (doing nothing) looks bleak:

"Pulling it Together": Simple Arithmetic - Kaiser Family Foundation

I do not for a moment think the Republicans have any plan of their own to institute any kind of program that would decrease the cost of health care or the cost of health care insurance. They've promised in years past, and just sat there and let the entire issue get out of control.

 

[MaggieMae]

My whole point is we can not afford another big government program period. Get rid of this bill and do health care regulation that the majority of America can agree on.

The problem is a majority never will agree on health care. Those that can afford regular cost increases and insurance premium increases will be against it; those who can't afford to stay healthy by any means will be for it. Eventually, it comes down to a moral issue, frankly.

 

[Big Fitz]

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

What part of the far left are still refusing to see that this bill is not wanted by the American people? Why are we letting the extreme far left (about 8%) in this country, control us?
How about setting politics aside and using common sense?
This is another big government program and eventually all big government programs cost us all way to much money.
How about reforming the system, instead of a new government program? Things that we can all agree on, like no more pre existing conditions, keeping what you have when you lose your job, torte reform, children stay on their parents health care as long as they are in college? Not a set age limit. Pooling insurances together?
Huh? How about it people?

Beeecause the radicals have discovered if you scream long and loud enough those without the moral, ethical and mental temerity to stand their ground against nutbags will give in to just shut them up. The era of the fax machine, press release and calling lists have done great damage to all nations who don't bitchslap radical groups pushing for fundamental changes that are... well, crazy and self destructive.

Like gubmint healthcare.

 

[MaggieMae]

I think what galls me the most about the current Republicans intent on destroying the health care reform bill is that they are still LYING by omission. Just this morning, Senator Barrasso of Wyoming was on C-Span and made the same statement that never seems to get corrected, that "Medicare is being cut by $500 billion." The omission is that general Medicare funding and benefits WILL NOT BE CUT. The $500 billion represents the S.U.B.S.I.D.I.E.S now taken from the general Medicare fund and given to those private insurers who cover extra benefits for Medicare recipients in the Medicare ADVANTAGE program, such as eyeglasses, hearing aids, dentures, etc.

But did Barrasso say that? Of course not. His intent (like all the others) is to make seniors believe that their standard Medicare coverage is going to be cut, period. It's a goddamned lie.

His second huge embellishment was the oft-stated (by Republicans) remark that under the new health care reform, "...over 15,000 new IRS agents will be scanning tax returns to see if you should have enrolled..."

The truth is there have been no new agents with that job description, and if and when any ARE hired for that job alone, the IRS has no idea how many. Fact-checkers galore verify that fact.

Here:
PolitiFact | Michele Bachmann repeats claim that health care bill will require 16,500 new IRS agents

Here:
PolitiFact Wisconsin | Wisconsin Assembly speaker Jeff Fitzgerald says the IRS has to add 15,000 employees to administer the new health care law

And a recap of the scare tactic being used by Republicans here:
Change of Subject: The big lie: The IRS will hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the insurance mandate in the new health-care reform law

 

[syrenn]

I said extreme far left not liberal dems. And there is also extreme far right.
This bill will cost to much in the future just like all large government programs.

We've been paying too much for years, this legislation aims to correct how we pay which in turn will hopefully reduce the amount we pay.

And that is the issue. It is hope without legs.

 

[RDD_1210]

I said extreme far left not liberal dems. And there is also extreme far right.
This bill will cost to much in the future just like all large government programs.

We've been paying too much for years, this legislation aims to correct how we pay which in turn will hopefully reduce the amount we pay.

And that is the issue. It is hope without legs.

Actually, that is in fact incorrect. The theory has legs, now we get to see if it works.

 

[RDD_1210]

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

What part of the far left are still refusing to see that this bill is not wanted by the American people? Why are we letting the extreme far left (about 8%) in this country, control us?
How about setting politics aside and using common sense?
This is another big government program and eventually all big government programs cost us all way to much money.
How about reforming the system, instead of a new government program? Things that we can all agree on, like no more pre existing conditions, keeping what you have when you lose your job, torte reform, children stay on their parents health care as long as they are in college? Not a set age limit. Pooling insurances together?
Huh? How about it people?

Beeecause the radicals have discovered if you scream long and loud enough those without the moral, ethical and mental temerity to stand their ground against nutbags will give in to just shut them up. The era of the fax machine, press release and calling lists have done great damage to all nations who don't bitchslap radical groups pushing for fundamental changes that are... well, crazy and self destructive.

Like gubmint healthcare.

Look who is here. The guy who doesn't have insurance and is actually a part of the problem in this country yet has no answers for real life questions. Please, share your wisdom with us.

 

[syrenn]

We've been paying too much for years, this legislation aims to correct how we pay which in turn will hopefully reduce the amount we pay.

And that is the issue. It is hope without legs.

Actually, that is in fact incorrect. The theory has legs, now we get to see if it works.

Again, to see if...

It is a sham that you hope will work. You said yourself it is an unsustainable system.

 

[RDD_1210]

And that is the issue. It is hope without legs.

Actually, that is in fact incorrect. The theory has legs, now we get to see if it works.

Again, to see if...

It is a sham that you hope will work. You said yourself it is an unsustainable system.

I never said such a thing. I said your dumb idea to have everyone pay exactly the same amount was unsustainable because it is an impossibility.

 

[Big Fitz]

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

What part of the far left are still refusing to see that this bill is not wanted by the American people? Why are we letting the extreme far left (about 8%) in this country, control us?
How about setting politics aside and using common sense?
This is another big government program and eventually all big government programs cost us all way to much money.
How about reforming the system, instead of a new government program? Things that we can all agree on, like no more pre existing conditions, keeping what you have when you lose your job, torte reform, children stay on their parents health care as long as they are in college? Not a set age limit. Pooling insurances together?
Huh? How about it people?

Beeecause the radicals have discovered if you scream long and loud enough those without the moral, ethical and mental temerity to stand their ground against nutbags will give in to just shut them up. The era of the fax machine, press release and calling lists have done great damage to all nations who don't bitchslap radical groups pushing for fundamental changes that are... well, crazy and self destructive.

Like gubmint healthcare.

Look who is here. The guy who doesn't have insurance and is actually a part of the problem in this country yet has no answers for real life questions. Please, share your wisdom with us.

Hah... nice. The asshole who wants people dependent on government and grateful to him for putting them there.

Nice way to lie about me though. You're a real class(less) act. Thanks for illustrating your wisdom, sanity and tolerance for those poorer than you, dick.

Maybe someday your dream will come true and you can have me shot for not being a grateful slave to your party.

 

[syrenn]

Actually, that is in fact incorrect. The theory has legs, now we get to see if it works.

Again, to see if...

It is a sham that you hope will work. You said yourself it is an unsustainable system.

I never said such a thing. I said your dumb idea to have everyone pay exactly the same amount was unsustainable because it is an impossibility.

The systems are the same. So long as you have some paying and others leaching, the system is unsustainable. You hope it will be different. You want to see if it works.

 

[Big Fitz]

Again, to see if...

It is a sham that you hope will work. You said yourself it is an unsustainable system.

I never said such a thing. I said your dumb idea to have everyone pay exactly the same amount was unsustainable because it is an impossibility.

The systems are the same. So long as you have some paying and others leaching, the system is unsustainable. You hope it will be different. You want to see if it works.

and even after it fails, RDD and his ilk will blame something else for their failure.

Never take responsibility when there's an easy patsy to take your fall for you.

Way of life for socialists.

 

[RDD_1210]

Again, to see if...

It is a sham that you hope will work. You said yourself it is an unsustainable system.

I never said such a thing. I said your dumb idea to have everyone pay exactly the same amount was unsustainable because it is an impossibility.

The systems are the same. So long as you have some paying and others leaching, the system is unsustainable. You hope it will be different. You want to see if it works.

No one can ever say with 100% guarantee about anything. Your idea was ridiculous and wouldn't work, your idea which has nothing to do with what this legislation does. Nice try though.

 

[RDD_1210]

Beeecause the radicals have discovered if you scream long and loud enough those without the moral, ethical and mental temerity to stand their ground against nutbags will give in to just shut them up. The era of the fax machine, press release and calling lists have done great damage to all nations who don't bitchslap radical groups pushing for fundamental changes that are... well, crazy and self destructive.

Like gubmint healthcare.

Look who is here. The guy who doesn't have insurance and is actually a part of the problem in this country yet has no answers for real life questions. Please, share your wisdom with us.

Hah... nice. The asshole who wants people dependent on government and grateful to him for putting them there.

Nice way to lie about me though. You're a real class(less) act. Thanks for illustrating your wisdom, sanity and tolerance for those poorer than you, dick.

Maybe someday your dream will come true and you can have me shot for not being a grateful slave to your party.

I'm lying about you? Do you have health insurance?

I actually do care about those people less fortunate then me, hence why I want to see EVERYONE get access to healthcare regardless of their income. Is that what you want?

 

[GWV5903]

Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

What part of the far left are still refusing to see that this bill is not wanted by the American people? Why are we letting the extreme far left (about 8%) in this country, control us?
How about setting politics aside and using common sense?
This is another big government program and eventually all big government programs cost us all way to much money.
How about reforming the system, instead of a new government program? Things that we can all agree on, like no more pre existing conditions, keeping what you have when you lose your job, torte reform, children stay on their parents health care as long as they are in college? Not a set age limit. Pooling insurances together?
Huh? How about it people?

We should give them a new name, THE DEAF LEFT, sounds appropreaite....

It would be comical if it wasn't so true....

I was talking to one of my retired fire fighter clients a few weeks ago about their health insurance cost, their premiums are up $200 per month from '10 to '11, yeah big savings alright, this group is going to be forced out....

 

[syrenn]

I never said such a thing. I said your dumb idea to have everyone pay exactly the same amount was unsustainable because it is an impossibility.

The systems are the same. So long as you have some paying and others leaching, the system is unsustainable. You hope it will be different. You want to see if it works.

No one can ever say with 100% guarantee about anything. Your idea was ridiculous and wouldn't work, your idea which has nothing to do with what this legislation does. Nice try though.

What a laugh! The legislation DOES make some pay and allow others not to pay. The exact same system we have now. Nothing is changing but allowing more to leach off of the ones who are paying. Its the same shell game, just different shells.

The only difference is that they are going to FORCE more people to pay.

 

[RDD_1210]

The systems are the same. So long as you have some paying and others leaching, the system is unsustainable. You hope it will be different. You want to see if it works.

No one can ever say with 100% guarantee about anything. Your idea was ridiculous and wouldn't work, your idea which has nothing to do with what this legislation does. Nice try though.

What a laugh! The legislation DOES make some pay and allow others not to pay. The exact same system we have now. Nothing is changing but allowing more to leach off of the ones who are paying. Its the same shell game, just different shells.

The only difference is that they are going to FORCE more people to pay.

Umm, right. You suggested a system where everyone pays the same exact amount regardless of income. That's what I said was unsustainable, yet you felt the need to twist my words completely. Be proud of yourself.

You are right though, this legislation does allow some people to continue to not pay, while others do. BUT, it changes how we pay so that we can pay less by making the system more efficient. So contrary to what you believe, A LOT is changing. But feel free to twist what I'm saying in to whatever you want.

 

[syrenn]

No one can ever say with 100% guarantee about anything. Your idea was ridiculous and wouldn't work, your idea which has nothing to do with what this legislation does. Nice try though.

What a laugh! The legislation DOES make some pay and allow others not to pay. The exact same system we have now. Nothing is changing but allowing more to leach off of the ones who are paying. Its the same shell game, just different shells.

The only difference is that they are going to FORCE more people to pay.

Umm, right. You suggested a system where everyone pays the same exact amount regardless of income. That's what I said was unsustainable, yet you felt the need to twist my words completely. Be proud of yourself.

You are right though, this legislation does allow some people to continue to not pay, while others do. BUT, it changes how we pay so that we can pay less by making the system more efficient. So contrary to what you believe, A LOT is changing. But feel free to twist what I'm saying in to whatever you want.

It is forcing everyone into a system they must pay for regardless if the ones paying into it use it or not. It is giving more to those how already do not pay a cent. So long as some pay and some do not pay, it is the very same system. If everyone is forced to pay, should mean everyone. No more free rides.

It is the same shell game but on a grander scale.

 

[RDD_1210]

I never said such a thing. I said your dumb idea to have everyone pay exactly the same amount was unsustainable because it is an impossibility.

The systems are the same. So long as you have some paying and others leaching, the system is unsustainable. You hope it will be different. You want to see if it works.

and even after it fails, RDD and his ilk will blame something else for their failure.

Never take responsibility when there's an easy patsy to take your fall for you.

Way of life for socialists.

Speaking of never taking responsibility. Why don't you take some responsibility and get health insurance. YOU are the reason why health insurance rates are high for the rest of us who do pay.

 

[RDD_1210]

What a laugh! The legislation DOES make some pay and allow others not to pay. The exact same system we have now. Nothing is changing but allowing more to leach off of the ones who are paying. Its the same shell game, just different shells.

The only difference is that they are going to FORCE more people to pay.

Umm, right. You suggested a system where everyone pays the same exact amount regardless of income. That's what I said was unsustainable, yet you felt the need to twist my words completely. Be proud of yourself.

You are right though, this legislation does allow some people to continue to not pay, while others do. BUT, it changes how we pay so that we can pay less by making the system more efficient. So contrary to what you believe, A LOT is changing. But feel free to twist what I'm saying in to whatever you want.

It is forcing everyone into a system they must pay for regardless if the ones paying into it use it or not. It is giving more to those how already do not pay a cent. So long as some pay and some do not pay, it is the very same system. If everyone is forced to pay, should mean everyone. No more free rides.

It is the same shell game but on a grander scale.

Everyone needs health care at some point. Let's not pretend this is some luxury service.

What exactly is "grander" about this legislation?