New Zealand: First They Took Their Guns.....Now They're Removing Jesus From Their Lives

[SweetSue92]

Americans don't despise the Indians.

Yeah yeah. 'Pocahontas' is a term of respect, fer shure.

Trump uses that for a woman who TOOK ON A FAKE IDENTITY, not for a real native American.

WOW

 

[FJO]

Yup......it's started.

New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren



Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.

The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.

The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.

Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.

Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.

"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.

"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."

Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.

Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.

"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.

Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.

One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer​

There is no truth to the rumor that the government has plans to change Christchurch to Mohammedmosque.

 

[cnm]

And there it is. We do not "despise our native population" but see it as it is.

Yeah, no contempt there, no way.

 

[cnm]

Trump uses that for a woman who TOOK ON A FAKE IDENTITY, not for a real native American.

You mean he didn't try to disparage with an Indian name? You can't even see it, can you?

 

[SweetSue92]

Americans don't despise the Indians.

Yeah yeah. 'Pocahontas' is a term of respect, fer shure.

You realize you really operate as the Church Lady here?

"If only you backward Americans worshiped your natives like we do, with pomp and circumstance, then you would be ENLIGHTENED and GOOD like we are." (snivel and snort)

modern Leftists are NOTHING is not moralizing, sneering Church Ladies

 

[mdk]

Apparently the mention of "Almighty God" wasn't sufficient recognition enough for those so desperately seeking to feel victimized.

Are you attempting to claim that the article linked in the op is wrong and that the NZ government did NOT purposefully and actively attempt to purge from the public prayer any Christian references?

No, I am mocking the whiners laboring under the delusion that the goverment of New Zealand has removed Jesus from their lives. The only people that can remove Jesus from your life is you.

I saw no one in the OP make that claim.


The op was full of people discussing the removal of Christianity from a public prayer.

Did you not read the title of the thread that brought you here?

Ah, so your point was not aimed at the actual issue, but at the person presenting the issue, got it.


So, what do you think of that actions of the New Zealand government in purging Christian references from a public prayer?

My points are that some people are making a mountain out of molehill in a lame attempt to feel oppressed and that only *you* have the power to remove Jesus from your life, not the goverment. For some, the usage of "Almighty God" in a convocation is an act of oppression.

 

[cnm]

But anyway, we are a secular nation, this is long overdue.

 

[SweetSue92]

And there it is. We do not "despise our native population" but see it as it is.

Yeah, no contempt there, no way.

You worship them to attempt to make up for how you wronged them. Then, you project all that wrong on America, who does NOT worship their natives with pomp and circumstance like you wonderful, enlightened NZ do

It's just a difference in culture you don't understand, cnm. Accept it.

 

[cnm]

For some, the usage of "Almighty God" in a convocation is an act of oppression.

I agree it has no place in Parliament.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The choice is simple in a nation that is tolerant of all religions. Either remove any reference to a particular religion in official government practices or include reference to ALL religions in official government practices.

People who believe that they are intelligent tell us that they are oppressed when such official government practices don't specifically mention their deity of choice.

The same person doesn't feel that people who have different chosen deities don't get mention are being oppressed.

That's different.

Morons.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yup......it's started.

New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer
03-30-2019
Steve Warren



Just barely two weeks following the mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, the government has decided to remove all references to Jesus Christ from its parliamentary prayer.

The move by Speaker of the House Trevor Mallard has angered the country's Christian population. Mallard made the decision in order to drop references to Jesus in order to make the prayer "more inclusive" for all parliamentarians.

The Guardian reports a reference to "Almighty God" remains, but it is not a specific reference to a Christian God.

Earlier this week, around 1,000 people protested just outside of the parliament building in Wellington. The group wanted Jesus name reinstated in the prayer because Christianity is part of the nation's history.

Ross Smith, the organizer of the event, told Radio NZ the country has a Christian heritage that should not be erased.

"It's a legacy. The principals and the values that are in this nation are based on our Christian-Judea roots. Removing the name would destroy those roots," he said.

"He needs a good kick in his pants, and he needs to actually be removed because this is a Christian nation," protester Rieki Teutscher told Radio NZ. We don't share his atheism."

Another demonstrator, Carmel Morgan, said Mallard should have consulted with New Zealanders or announced a referendum before changing the prayer.

"This is a land of democracy, this is a land of freedom, you know, we want to be a first world country... he took that choice away from us."

Other New Zealand politicians also voiced their concern over the change made by the speaker without consulting the entire parliament.

Well, the decision as to what should be changed should be made by parliamentarians and not the speaker – that's our position, I don't mind telling you publicly," deputy prime minister Winston Peters told RadioNZ.

"If you're going to make a change let's have parliament decide – not one person," Peters added.

Mallard said he had consulted other politicians and the majority he spoke to were in favor of a secular prayer.

One week after a white supremacist gunman opened fire inside two mosques, killing 50 people, the entire country observed a Muslim call to prayer. The event was televised nationwide. New Zealand Christians Outraged as Govt Removes All References to Jesus From Parliamentary Prayer​

There is no truth to the rumor that the government has plans to change Christchurch to Mohammedmosque.

It's not a rumor. It's written in the Koran.
All "Good Muslims" desire total world domination.

 

[SweetSue92]

And there it is. We do not "despise our native population" but see it as it is.

Yeah, no contempt there, no way.

That's not contempt. Refusing to worship people does not mean you hold them in contempt.

I know that busts up your progressive mind

 

[LoneLaugher]

I am not a religious person, but Secular Progressives are ruining society. They worship the STATE, which is a collection of flawed human beings that just want power, and to control you. They don't worship a higher power, nor the idea of one. This is the basis of Totalitarianism.

No, you aren't a religious person. You just think we should all worship a higher power.

That's perfectly reasonable.

 

[Correll]

Americans don't despise the Indians.

Yeah yeah. 'Pocahontas' is a term of respect, fer shure.

Yep.

Atlanta Braves - Wikipedia


The "Braves" name, which was first used in 1912, originates from a term for a Native American warrior. They are nicknamed"the Bravos", and often referred to as "America's Team" in reference to the team's games being broadcast on the nationally available TBS from the 1970s until 2007, giving the team a nationwide fan base.

 

[cnm]

Then, you project all that wrong on America, who does NOT worship their natives with pomp and circumstance like you wonderful, enlightened NZ do

On a thread in which I often participate here, right wingers use the fact that a poster taught on a reservation and had an Indian wife as an insult. That is hardly projection on my part.

 

[Correll]

Are you attempting to claim that the article linked in the op is wrong and that the NZ government did NOT purposefully and actively attempt to purge from the public prayer any Christian references?

No, I am mocking the whiners laboring under the delusion that the goverment of New Zealand has removed Jesus from their lives. The only people that can remove Jesus from your life is you.

I saw no one in the OP make that claim.


The op was full of people discussing the removal of Christianity from a public prayer.

Did you not read the title of the thread that brought you here?

Ah, so your point was not aimed at the actual issue, but at the person presenting the issue, got it.


So, what do you think of that actions of the New Zealand government in purging Christian references from a public prayer?

My points are that some people are making a mountain out of molehill in a lame attempt to feel oppressed and that only *you* have the power to remove Jesus from your life, not the goverment. For some, the usage of "Almighty God" in a convocation is an act of oppression.

The point of the OP, is that a liberal and progressive government is expressing multiculturalism and tolerance by purging references to the traditional religious culture of the nation.


That hypocrisy combined with power, is a real issue, especially as we see the same blindness and willingness to use power in our own land(s).

 

[cnm]

I'm starting to think YHWH must be a pretty puny god if he needs this much protection from mere mortals.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump uses that for a woman who TOOK ON A FAKE IDENTITY, not for a real native American.

You mean he didn't try to disparage with an Indian name? You can't even see it, can you?

Yeah....how dare Trump make fun of a complete fake who is constantly critical of his policies and makes up shit about his character.

 

[Correll]

But anyway, we are a secular nation, this is long overdue.

Yep. Christians were tolerant of you secular people when you were the minority, and now that you have grown, you repay them by oppressing them.


A lesson for the ages. I wonder what future people will learn from that one.

 

[Correll]

I'm starting to think YHWH must be a pretty puny god if he needs this much protection from mere mortals.

Wow. That was not very inclusive. Or tolerant. Or diversity.