New York joins California and Montana, Corporations are not people!

They should call it the Captain Obvious legislation. Corporations aren't people. They are started, run, and owned by people. Therefore when you do something to a corporation... people are effected.
 
I guess Corporations are not people in the same exact way that Unions are Not people, or the City Council is Not people either. Guess what I am a Person. You are obstructing my Right to Hear, to Read, to be Informed on Important Issues. Funny, that is not new to you. You know, serving Injustice, Censorship, Obstruction, typical reasoning of Totalitarian Control Freaks. You know, Utter Hypocritical Bullshit.
 

So good of you to provide this 'Atta Boy' from the Progressive Caucus of the NY City Council.

To me, the title is redundant, and a waste of good ink.

But, for purposes of identification, and this goes toward an understanding of the objections to having anyone, or anything, other than Leftists or labor unions paying for access to government, the following, from Klein, "Red Army," is instructive:

1. While the United States is one of the few democracies without an official socialist party, in reality socialist occupy some of the highest positions in the “Marxist-socialist” bloc in Congress. In fact, the Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded as a sister to the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.

a. Before the socialist network infiltrated the Democratic Party, its ideology permeated academic institutions for decades.

b. In the 60’s, radicals attempted to overthrow the US capitalist system by actual revolution: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) or its spinoff, the Weathermen terrorist group. DSA was established to transform capitalism by democratic means.

2. Based on ideas similar to those of the Fabians, it was decided to drop the word ‘socialism’ and continued as the ‘Congressional Progressive Caucus.’ Stealth was determined to be more effective….boring from within.

a. Bill Ayers, Mike Klonsky, and Bernardine Dohrn attacked capitalism from academia.

b. Wade Rathke founded ACORN.

c. Heather and Paul Booth, and Steve Max, founded the Midwest Academy to attack capitalism using Saul Alinsky-style community organizing.
Anyone else come to mind?

3.Michael Harrington, founder of the DSA, knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements.
The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line.

The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”
The Grasp of Socialist International

4. Journalist Balint Vazonyi, in the Washington Times: “But the real pay-off will occur on the day when we accept that, as we get nearer to the present time, we have had an increasing number of Americans falling prey to the socialist mind set - even in Congress.

"What?" I hear you say. "Socialists in the Congress of the United States?"

Dozens, dear reader, dozens. And they make no secret of it. Although of late it has been refurbished and the address altered, they have their own web site. They call themselves the "Progressive Caucus," until recently an arm of the Democratic Socialists of America, itself an arm of the Socialist International. The Progressive Caucus may be a separate entity now, but the details of its program, as advertised on the web site (www.dsausa.org/pc/pc.caucus.html), are indistinguishable from that of the Socialist International.
We had better believe it. And we had better remember: the socialist cause trumps everything. Everything.”
The Riddle That Isn't


Progressive, socialist, Marxist, Fabian....
Do the aims of these groups mean anything to you?
 
I guess Corporations are not people in the same exact way that Unions are Not people, or the City Council is Not people either. Guess what I am a Person. You are obstructing my Right to Hear, to Read, to be Informed on Important Issues. Funny, that is not new to you. You know, serving Injustice, Censorship, Obstruction, typical reasoning of Totalitarian Control Freaks. You know, Utter Hypocritical Bullshit.

I want all private money out of politics. I want the popular vote to decide elections. I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?
 
i guess corporations are not people in the same exact way that unions are not people, or the city council is not people either. Guess what i am a person. You are obstructing my right to hear, to read, to be informed on important issues. Funny, that is not new to you. You know, serving injustice, censorship, obstruction, typical reasoning of totalitarian control freaks. You know, utter hypocritical bullshit.

i want all private money out of politics. I want the popular vote to decide elections. I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?

yes!
 

So good of you to provide this 'Atta Boy' from the Progressive Caucus of the NY City Council.

To me, the title is redundant, and a waste of good ink.

But, for purposes of identification, and this goes toward an understanding of the objections to having anyone, or anything, other than Leftists or labor unions paying for access to government, the following, from Klein, "Red Army," is instructive:

1. While the United States is one of the few democracies without an official socialist party, in reality socialist occupy some of the highest positions in the “Marxist-socialist” bloc in Congress. In fact, the Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded as a sister to the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.

a. Before the socialist network infiltrated the Democratic Party, its ideology permeated academic institutions for decades.

b. In the 60’s, radicals attempted to overthrow the US capitalist system by actual revolution: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) or its spinoff, the Weathermen terrorist group. DSA was established to transform capitalism by democratic means.

2. Based on ideas similar to those of the Fabians, it was decided to drop the word ‘socialism’ and continued as the ‘Congressional Progressive Caucus.’ Stealth was determined to be more effective….boring from within.

a. Bill Ayers, Mike Klonsky, and Bernardine Dohrn attacked capitalism from academia.

b. Wade Rathke founded ACORN.

c. Heather and Paul Booth, and Steve Max, founded the Midwest Academy to attack capitalism using Saul Alinsky-style community organizing.
Anyone else come to mind?

3.Michael Harrington, founder of the DSA, knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements.
The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line.

The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”
The Grasp of Socialist International

4. Journalist Balint Vazonyi, in the Washington Times: “But the real pay-off will occur on the day when we accept that, as we get nearer to the present time, we have had an increasing number of Americans falling prey to the socialist mind set - even in Congress.

"What?" I hear you say. "Socialists in the Congress of the United States?"

Dozens, dear reader, dozens. And they make no secret of it. Although of late it has been refurbished and the address altered, they have their own web site. They call themselves the "Progressive Caucus," until recently an arm of the Democratic Socialists of America, itself an arm of the Socialist International. The Progressive Caucus may be a separate entity now, but the details of its program, as advertised on the web site (www.dsausa.org/pc/pc.caucus.html), are indistinguishable from that of the Socialist International.
We had better believe it. And we had better remember: the socialist cause trumps everything. Everything.”
The Riddle That Isn't


Progressive, socialist, Marxist, Fabian....
Do the aims of these groups mean anything to you?

Ah..Bill Ayers..again?

Well HW Bush pardoned Orlando Bosch, GW Bush took over a business owned by Bin Laden's brother and Santorum gave an award to a child ass raper.

Good company..eh?
 
I guess Corporations are not people in the same exact way that Unions are Not people, or the City Council is Not people either. Guess what I am a Person. You are obstructing my Right to Hear, to Read, to be Informed on Important Issues. Funny, that is not new to you. You know, serving Injustice, Censorship, Obstruction, typical reasoning of Totalitarian Control Freaks. You know, Utter Hypocritical Bullshit.

I want all private money out of politics. I want the popular vote to decide elections. I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?

I do support allowing individuals/persons the ability to contribute to the candidate of their choice, but only limited sums. Only people who live in the contested district/state/country are permitted to contribute to the candidate's fund. Candidates should not be permitted to spend any more on a campaign than the job they are vying for will pay during their term of service (i.e. if the job pays $400,000 for two years, campaign costs should be limited to $800,000).
Technology today makes the Electoral College anachronistic. If we must have the Electoral College, each district's vote goes to the candidate that wins the majority in that district. No more casting the entire State's electoral votes for one candidate. There is a distinct schism between urban and rural desires, as candidates go.
Three months should be more than enough to get your message across. Personally, I am sick and tired of hearing how bad the other guy is going to be. Tell me what you plan on doing to make things better.
 
I guess Corporations are not people in the same exact way that Unions are Not people, or the City Council is Not people either. Guess what I am a Person. You are obstructing my Right to Hear, to Read, to be Informed on Important Issues. Funny, that is not new to you. You know, serving Injustice, Censorship, Obstruction, typical reasoning of Totalitarian Control Freaks. You know, Utter Hypocritical Bullshit.

I want all private money out of politics. I want the popular vote to decide elections. I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?

You Want? So you don't donate? That is where you should start. Idiot.
 

So good of you to provide this 'Atta Boy' from the Progressive Caucus of the NY City Council.

To me, the title is redundant, and a waste of good ink.

But, for purposes of identification, and this goes toward an understanding of the objections to having anyone, or anything, other than Leftists or labor unions paying for access to government, the following, from Klein, "Red Army," is instructive:

1. While the United States is one of the few democracies without an official socialist party, in reality socialist occupy some of the highest positions in the “Marxist-socialist” bloc in Congress. In fact, the Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded as a sister to the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.

a. Before the socialist network infiltrated the Democratic Party, its ideology permeated academic institutions for decades.

b. In the 60’s, radicals attempted to overthrow the US capitalist system by actual revolution: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) or its spinoff, the Weathermen terrorist group. DSA was established to transform capitalism by democratic means.

2. Based on ideas similar to those of the Fabians, it was decided to drop the word ‘socialism’ and continued as the ‘Congressional Progressive Caucus.’ Stealth was determined to be more effective….boring from within.

a. Bill Ayers, Mike Klonsky, and Bernardine Dohrn attacked capitalism from academia.

b. Wade Rathke founded ACORN.

c. Heather and Paul Booth, and Steve Max, founded the Midwest Academy to attack capitalism using Saul Alinsky-style community organizing.
Anyone else come to mind?

3.Michael Harrington, founder of the DSA, knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements.
The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line.

The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”
The Grasp of Socialist International

4. Journalist Balint Vazonyi, in the Washington Times: “But the real pay-off will occur on the day when we accept that, as we get nearer to the present time, we have had an increasing number of Americans falling prey to the socialist mind set - even in Congress.

"What?" I hear you say. "Socialists in the Congress of the United States?"

Dozens, dear reader, dozens. And they make no secret of it. Although of late it has been refurbished and the address altered, they have their own web site. They call themselves the "Progressive Caucus," until recently an arm of the Democratic Socialists of America, itself an arm of the Socialist International. The Progressive Caucus may be a separate entity now, but the details of its program, as advertised on the web site (www.dsausa.org/pc/pc.caucus.html), are indistinguishable from that of the Socialist International.
We had better believe it. And we had better remember: the socialist cause trumps everything. Everything.”
The Riddle That Isn't


Progressive, socialist, Marxist, Fabian....
Do the aims of these groups mean anything to you?

Ah..Bill Ayers..again?

Well HW Bush pardoned Orlando Bosch, GW Bush took over a business owned by Bin Laden's brother and Santorum gave an award to a child ass raper.

Good company..eh?

Great job, Sally! Ya' neutralized a bit less than 1% of the post....

....care to take a shot at the last line?

I'll understand if you're too exhausted.
 
I'm going to try to explain this slowly because you libtards absolutely love to moan and complain about this "issue".

I want all private money out of politics.

It's not your money, therefore in a FREE society what you want it to be spent on is unimportant.

Moot point. The government has no business telling anybody how they can spend their money. Period.

If it's legal... go for it.

I want the popular vote to decide elections.

I would agree to this.

I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?

That's up to the individual fed, state, local governments.
 
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So good of you to provide this 'Atta Boy' from the Progressive Caucus of the NY City Council.

To me, the title is redundant, and a waste of good ink.

But, for purposes of identification, and this goes toward an understanding of the objections to having anyone, or anything, other than Leftists or labor unions paying for access to government, the following, from Klein, "Red Army," is instructive:

1. While the United States is one of the few democracies without an official socialist party, in reality socialist occupy some of the highest positions in the “Marxist-socialist” bloc in Congress. In fact, the Congressional Progressive Caucus was founded as a sister to the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA.

a. Before the socialist network infiltrated the Democratic Party, its ideology permeated academic institutions for decades.

b. In the 60’s, radicals attempted to overthrow the US capitalist system by actual revolution: the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) or its spinoff, the Weathermen terrorist group. DSA was established to transform capitalism by democratic means.

2. Based on ideas similar to those of the Fabians, it was decided to drop the word ‘socialism’ and continued as the ‘Congressional Progressive Caucus.’ Stealth was determined to be more effective….boring from within.

a. Bill Ayers, Mike Klonsky, and Bernardine Dohrn attacked capitalism from academia.

b. Wade Rathke founded ACORN.

c. Heather and Paul Booth, and Steve Max, founded the Midwest Academy to attack capitalism using Saul Alinsky-style community organizing.
Anyone else come to mind?

3.Michael Harrington, founder of the DSA, knew that infiltration of the Democratic Party was primary, and it already contained all of the progressive elements.
The Eduard Bernstein Internet Archive Socialism time line.

The DSA remains the principle branch of the Socialist International, whose primary goal is global governance under worldwide socialism.

a. The SI boasts it is successor to the First International of Karl Marx, 1864. “Ever since its inception in 1951, the Socialist International has made cosmetic efforts to distance itself from communist socialists.”
The Grasp of Socialist International

4. Journalist Balint Vazonyi, in the Washington Times: “But the real pay-off will occur on the day when we accept that, as we get nearer to the present time, we have had an increasing number of Americans falling prey to the socialist mind set - even in Congress.

"What?" I hear you say. "Socialists in the Congress of the United States?"

Dozens, dear reader, dozens. And they make no secret of it. Although of late it has been refurbished and the address altered, they have their own web site. They call themselves the "Progressive Caucus," until recently an arm of the Democratic Socialists of America, itself an arm of the Socialist International. The Progressive Caucus may be a separate entity now, but the details of its program, as advertised on the web site (www.dsausa.org/pc/pc.caucus.html), are indistinguishable from that of the Socialist International.
We had better believe it. And we had better remember: the socialist cause trumps everything. Everything.”
The Riddle That Isn't


Progressive, socialist, Marxist, Fabian....
Do the aims of these groups mean anything to you?

Here is some more stealth for you. Oh what tangled webs we weave. ;) Who said ACORN was dead. :D

Socially Responsible Investing Facts
What is SRI?

Socially Responsible Investing (SRI) is a broad-based approach to investing that now encompasses an estimated $3.07 trillion out of $25.2 trillion in the U.S. investment marketplace today. SRI recognizes that corporate responsibility and societal concerns are valid parts of investment decisions. SRI considers both the investor's financial needs and an investment’s impact on society. SRI investors encourage corporations to improve their practices on environmental, social, and governance issues. You may also hear SRI-like approaches to investing referred to as mission investing, responsible investing, double or triple bottom line investing, ethical investing, sustainable investing, or green investing.

As a result of its investing strategies, SRI also works to enhance the bottom lines of the companies in question and, in so doing, delivers more long-term wealth to shareholders. In addition, SRI investors seek to build wealth in underserved communities worldwide. With SRI, investors can put their money to work to build a more sustainable world while earning competitive returns both today and over time.

Socially responsible investors include individuals and also institutions, such as corporations, universities, hospitals, foundations, insurance companies, public and private pension funds, nonprofit organizations, and religious institutions. Institutional investors represent the largest and fastest growing segment of the SRI world.

What are the approaches investors typically utilize in SRI?

Screening, which includes both positive and negative screens, is the practice of evaluating investment portfolios or mutual funds based on social, environmental and good corporate governance criteria. Screening may involve including strong corporate social responsibility (CSR) performers, avoiding poor performers, or otherwise incorporating CSR factors into the process of investment analysis and management. Generally, social investors seek to own profitable companies that make positive contributions to society. "Buy" lists may include enterprises with, for example, good employer-employee relations, strong environmental practices, products that are safe and useful, and operations that respect human rights around the world.

Conversely, many social investors avoid investing in companies whose products and business practices are harmful to individuals, communities, or the environment. It is a common mistake to assume that SRI "screening" is simply exclusionary, or only involves negative screens. In reality, SRI screens are being used more and more frequently to invest in companies that are leaders in adopting clean technologies and exceptional social and governance practices. Learn more about screening in our mutual fund performance charts >

Shareholder advocacy involves socially responsible investors who take an active role as the owners of corporate America. These efforts include talking (or "dialoguing") with companies on issues of social, environmental or governance concerns. Shareholder advocacy also frequently involves filing, and co-filing shareholder resolutions on such topics as corporate governance, climate change, political contributions, gender/racial discrimination, pollution, problem labor practices and a host of other issues. Shareholder resolutions are then presented for a vote to all owners of a corporation.

US SIF: Socially Responsible Investing (SRI) Facts
 
Maybe you guys should, you know, actually read the decision?

The decision doesnt make corporations people. Corporations have been "people" since the beginning. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to sue corporations. You really want Corporations to not be sued? Im sure they would love that one!

No. The decision points out that the Court has a long standing policy of supporting free speech both as an individual and as a group of individuals. A corporation is a group of individuals united for an economic purpose. You can't limit a group of people's speech simply because they incomporate. And you sure as hell can't prohibit political speech 60 or 90 days prior to an election as McCain-Fiengold did.

Do you guys seriously think that the government should have the power to prohibit challengers from placing ads against incumbant politicians 60 to 90 days before an election?
 
I guess Corporations are not people in the same exact way that Unions are Not people, or the City Council is Not people either. Guess what I am a Person. You are obstructing my Right to Hear, to Read, to be Informed on Important Issues. Funny, that is not new to you. You know, serving Injustice, Censorship, Obstruction, typical reasoning of Totalitarian Control Freaks. You know, Utter Hypocritical Bullshit.

I want all private money out of politics. I want the popular vote to decide elections. I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?

You Want? So you don't donate? That is where you should start. Idiot.

Course I donate. If there were a law against donating..I wouldn't donate. Moron.

Two can play the name calling came. :D Oh..and get yer shovel ready..you big two fist individualist. Looks like snow!
 
I totally understand WHY the SCOTUS came down on the Citizens United case like they did.

However, if we're going to clean up government, we have GOT to change the rules for campaigns.

Candidly, writing rules to prevent big capital from dominating the political narrative isn't going to be easy.

And the reason it is going to be so hard is this...

Who decides when a public service advertisment steps over the line and becomes a sotto voce advertisment for a particular pol?

Where does one draw the line between giving information and propagandizing for a particular political POV?

See the problem, and why the SCOTUS ruled as it did?

They truly almost had no choice if they weren't going to step on the 1st Amendment.
 
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I want all private money out of politics. I want the popular vote to decide elections. I want voting to be mandatory and easy. I want a 3 month elections cycle so the people we elect work on policy and not on getting votes.

You?

You Want? So you don't donate? That is where you should start. Idiot.

Course I donate. If there were a law against donating..I wouldn't donate. Moron.

Two can play the name calling came. :D Oh..and get yer shovel ready..you big two fist individualist. Looks like snow!

The point, which I obviously need to explain to you, is that your money is private. Now, stay away from that yellow snow, it's not worth it. ;) Watch your paws with that rock salt too, it's nasty.
 

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