New Tesla cars a disaster!

[skookerasbil]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Musk is a flim flam artist. Hopefully the SEC will hit the moron where it hurts

 

[ABikerSailor]

Musk is a flim flam artist. Hopefully the SEC will hit the moron where it hurts

What exactly would it be that you would want the SEC to hit him with?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Musk is a flim flam artist. Hopefully the SEC will hit the moron where it hurts

What exactly would it be that you would want the SEC to hit him with?

Lying about funding to go private which manipulated stock price and cost investors. Subpoenas have been issued. It's highly illegal

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Musk is a flim flam artist. Hopefully the SEC will hit the moron where it hurts

What exactly would it be that you would want the SEC to hit him with?

You do know that Elon, a flaming liberal billionaire, borrowed 5 billion of our Tax Dollars and still haven't paid it back? You go ahead and try that, and see if you aren't investigated.


Funny how the left hates rich republicans but "LOVES" their uber liberal wealthy elite and will defend them till they die. Just like the Nazi's did with Hitler.

 

[toobfreak]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

 

[skookerasbil]

Musk is a flim flam artist. Hopefully the SEC will hit the moron where it hurts

What exactly would it be that you would want the SEC to hit him with?

Lying about funding to go private which manipulated stock price and cost investors. Subpoenas have been issued. It's highly illegal

Some board members should be posting over at People.com Sassy.....right?!! Geez....to them, the SEC is some iPhone app.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

 

[skookerasbil]

Great points.

Americans have no interest in electric cars. In 5 years, sales have grown 1%. St00pid. For Christsakes, Ford sold more Focus' than all EV's combined!

 

[toobfreak]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

 

[HenryBHough]

Fools and their money.

Ya gotta love it!

Most Tesla buyers are eco-crazed liberals....so good for them!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

So?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I used to be employed in automotive, if Tesla has a 14% FPY they are building junk. Industry average is around 80%. The company I was employed by supplied Ford, if they had sent finished product at a 14% FPY to Ford it would have bankrupted them in a month.

Tesla insiders say ‘it’s a s–t show’ under beleaguered Elon Musk

https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/tesla-insiders-say-its-a-s-tshow-under-beleaguered-elon-musk/

 

[skookerasbil]

Looking like Musk is the new Bernie Madoff

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh btw....Post story is a top story on DRUDGE right now!

 

[polarbear]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

A fuel cell "with its only waste product being water." can only do that if it is using hydrogen....and hydrogen is not exactly a cheap fuel or as easy to handle as petroleum fuels.
"The electric car will come into its own when".....the answer is whenever they actually can produce the super batteries they keep saying we will have in x- years from now and the "x " year is always in the "near future".
The EMV industry knew from the start that you need something close to this super battery pie in the sky and had x+x+x... years to produce it. With our climate supposedly heading for the "tipping point" you would expect they would have made this "super battery" a top priority rather than engineering special edition EMV`s for publicity stunts like winning a meaningless drag race.

 

[toobfreak]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

A fuel cell "with its only waste product being water." can only do that if it is using hydrogen....and hydrogen is not exactly a cheap fuel or as easy to handle as petroleum fuels.
"The electric car will come into its own when".....the answer is whenever they actually can produce the super batteries they keep saying we will have in x- years from now and the "x " year is always in the "near future".
The EMV industry knew from the start that you need something close to this super battery pie in the sky and had x+x+x... years to produce it. With our climate supposedly heading for the "tipping point" you would expect they would have made this "super battery" a top priority rather than engineering special edition EMV`s for publicity stunts like winning a meaningless drag race.

Well, as a retired electronics engineer, let me say this:

I never said the hydrogen fuel cell was cheap. That's the problem. If they can make it cost effective, now we have a party. Bring those electric cars on! Eliminate the battery storage problem and you basically have 4 electric motors and some seats---- a very cheap (and ideal) car to make.

The problem with "super batteries" is that the more "super" they are (the higher the storage density), the better a "bomb" they make-- -- in other words, explosive potential to release all that stored power at once. And beyond that, they add a lot of dead weight and become an environmental nightmare. Do you know that one of the things that goes into making a lithium ion battery is a chemical also used in the production of certain nerve gas agents? Personally, I don't like the idea of riding around sitting on a ton of batteries (and yes, I know all the ways they are working to develop making them safer). Battery disposal and recycling is a HUGE downer.

 

[polarbear]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

A fuel cell "with its only waste product being water." can only do that if it is using hydrogen....and hydrogen is not exactly a cheap fuel or as easy to handle as petroleum fuels.
"The electric car will come into its own when".....the answer is whenever they actually can produce the super batteries they keep saying we will have in x- years from now and the "x " year is always in the "near future".
The EMV industry knew from the start that you need something close to this super battery pie in the sky and had x+x+x... years to produce it. With our climate supposedly heading for the "tipping point" you would expect they would have made this "super battery" a top priority rather than engineering special edition EMV`s for publicity stunts like winning a meaningless drag race.

Well, as a retired electronics engineer, let me say this:

I never said the hydrogen fuel cell was cheap. That's the problem. If they can make it cost effective, now we have a party. Bring those electric cars on! Eliminate the battery storage problem and you basically have 4 electric motors and some seats---- a very cheap (and ideal) car to make.

The problem with "super batteries" is that the more "super" they are (the higher the storage density), the better a "bomb" they make-- -- in other words, explosive potential to release all that stored power at once. And beyond that, they add a lot of dead weight and become an environmental nightmare. Do you know that one of the things that goes into making a lithium ion battery is a chemical also used in the production of certain nerve gas agents? Personally, I don't like the idea of riding around sitting on a ton of batteries (and yes, I know all the ways they are working to develop making them safer). Battery disposal and recycling is a HUGE downer.

I totally agree with what you were saying and only tried to highlight some of the glaring errors made by EMV promoters and anti- combustion engine/global warming "prevention" schemes.
Consider a scenario where petro-fuelled cars are no longer allowed on American roads.
Passenger vehicles in the United States - Wikipedia
Overall, there were an estimated 263.6 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2015, most of which were passenger vehicles.
Hard to say how many hp these have on average, but assuming it`s only 120 hp would not be on the high side.
Of which they very likely use only 1/2 the power in city traffic and frequent stop&go...but where I am when the light turns green it`s a pedal to the metal drag race to position yourself in a faster moving lane. On the highway it also takes at least that much power to cruise at the posted speed limit.
Now you have to hope that on a 24 hour average only ~ 10% of all these cars (now EMVs) are on the road, because....if you can take wikipedia by their word:
Electricity sector of the United States - Wikipedia
In 2016 the total installed electricity generation summer capacity: in the United States was 1,074 Gigawatts(GW),
And that means there would be no power left for anybody else unless the US can at least double its electricity generation.

 

[toobfreak]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

A fuel cell "with its only waste product being water." can only do that if it is using hydrogen....and hydrogen is not exactly a cheap fuel or as easy to handle as petroleum fuels.
"The electric car will come into its own when".....the answer is whenever they actually can produce the super batteries they keep saying we will have in x- years from now and the "x " year is always in the "near future".
The EMV industry knew from the start that you need something close to this super battery pie in the sky and had x+x+x... years to produce it. With our climate supposedly heading for the "tipping point" you would expect they would have made this "super battery" a top priority rather than engineering special edition EMV`s for publicity stunts like winning a meaningless drag race.

Well, as a retired electronics engineer, let me say this:

I never said the hydrogen fuel cell was cheap. That's the problem. If they can make it cost effective, now we have a party. Bring those electric cars on! Eliminate the battery storage problem and you basically have 4 electric motors and some seats---- a very cheap (and ideal) car to make.

The problem with "super batteries" is that the more "super" they are (the higher the storage density), the better a "bomb" they make-- -- in other words, explosive potential to release all that stored power at once. And beyond that, they add a lot of dead weight and become an environmental nightmare. Do you know that one of the things that goes into making a lithium ion battery is a chemical also used in the production of certain nerve gas agents? Personally, I don't like the idea of riding around sitting on a ton of batteries (and yes, I know all the ways they are working to develop making them safer). Battery disposal and recycling is a HUGE downer.

I totally agree with what you were saying and only tried to highlight some of the glaring errors made by EMV promoters and anti- combustion engine/global warming "prevention" schemes.
Consider a scenario where petro-fuelled cars are no longer allowed on American roads.
Passenger vehicles in the United States - Wikipedia
Overall, there were an estimated 263.6 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2015, most of which were passenger vehicles.
Hard to say how many hp these have on average, but assuming it`s only 120 hp would not be on the high side.
Of which they very likely use only 1/2 the power in city traffic and frequent stop&go...but where I am when the light turns green it`s a pedal to the metal drag race to position yourself in a faster moving lane. On the highway it also takes at least that much power to cruise at the posted speed limit.
Now you have to hope that on a 24 hour average only ~ 10% of all these cars (now EMVs) are on the road, because....if you can take wikipedia by their word:
Electricity sector of the United States - Wikipedia
In 2016 the total installed electricity generation summer capacity: in the United States was 1,074 Gigawatts(GW),
And that means there would be no power left for anybody else unless the US can at least double its electricity generation.

Be certain of one thing: in an all (or mostly) electric car nation, suddenly the demand (and reliance/dependence) on electricity would be the excuse power companies need to jack the cost of electricity through the roof! Not just cars but powering homes. Power companies cannot meet demand as it is. It is NEVER a good idea to put all your eggs in a single basket.

 

[DGS49]

A lot of delusion here.

Tesla model S is a great car. People ASPIRE to purchase and own one. Owners pay near nothing in fuel and maintenance costs, and enjoy near-Ferrari level performance. Model S sedans are used in Europe as taxis, with minimal problems. So you can't drive cross country in four days. So what? Not something I normally do. Essentially ALL Tesla owners have multiple vehicles and would simply drive another one if a long trip is envisioned.

Other Tesla models are experiencing normal startup issues, but still offer class - leading specs. In fact, all of the major manufacturers in the world have e - vehicles in the pipeline, and their hoped - for specs STILL don't match Tesla. Got that? Even if you believe their marketing hype for FUTURE models, they can't match what Tesla has been producing for 6 YEARS!

The perverse trend to cast Tesla as a failing company is both bizarre and pathetic. Any other manufacturer would sell its figurative soul to have the Model 3's waiting list.