New study shows what really works to improve an economy

[iamwhatiseem]

Because your fucking moronic Messiah pissed it away. Idiot.

And... for the record.... research doesn't 'show', it suggests.

I don't trust 'research' done by some academic in Massachusetts who has never had a real job.

The first question I ask when it comes to 'research' (and I deal with research a LOT), is who funded it. Second, who worked on it. Third, What methodolgy was used. Fourth, what did previous research suggest. And, then what were the outcomes - ALL the outcomes - not just bits of it. etc etc etc. You ask these questions because research never 'shows' anything..... No legitimate researchers would use that term. Ever. Because research is never clear cut or absolute.

Only a total partisan would think otherwise.

Hallefreakinlujah!
I tell my kids all the time, when someone gives you information, in any form, ALWAYS consider the source. ALWAYS consider does this person have any incentives to spin the data one way or another.
Which is why I never put credence in the talking heads on ANY cable news concerning economics.

 

[California Girl]

I don't trust 'research' done by some academic in Massachusetts who has never had a real job.

The first question I ask when it comes to 'research' (and I deal with research a LOT), is who funded it. Second, who worked on it. Third, What methodolgy was used. Fourth, what did previous research suggest. And, then what were the outcomes - ALL the outcomes - not just bits of it. etc etc etc. You ask these questions because research never 'shows' anything..... No legitimate researchers would use that term. Ever. Because research is never clear cut or absolute.

Only a total partisan would think otherwise.

Hallefreakinlujah!
I tell my kids all the time, when someone gives you information, in any form, ALWAYS consider the source. ALWAYS consider does this person have any incentives to spin the data one way or another.
Which is why I never put credence in the talking heads on ANY cable news concerning economics.

Well, those of us with an education understand the term 'critical thinking'. We do not take our opinions from the media, or wiki, or any other source that is open to bias. It makes it hard work to get hard factual info, but it is worth it.

 

[Metternich]

I don't trust 'research' done by some academic in Massachusetts who has never had a real job.

The first question I ask when it comes to 'research' (and I deal with research a LOT), is who funded it. Second, who worked on it. Third, What methodolgy was used. Fourth, what did previous research suggest. And, then what were the outcomes - ALL the outcomes - not just bits of it. etc etc etc. You ask these questions because research never 'shows' anything..... No legitimate researchers would use that term. Ever. Because research is never clear cut or absolute.

Only a total partisan would think otherwise.

Hallefreakinlujah!
I tell my kids all the time, when someone gives you information, in any form, ALWAYS consider the source. ALWAYS consider does this person have any incentives to spin the data one way or another.
Which is why I never put credence in the talking heads on ANY cable news concerning economics.

I analyzed all of that for both of your conveniences.

Not that I'm asking for additional 'thanks' and 'addreps' of course.

 

[The Rabbi]

The first question I ask when it comes to 'research' (and I deal with research a LOT), is who funded it. Second, who worked on it. Third, What methodolgy was used. Fourth, what did previous research suggest. And, then what were the outcomes - ALL the outcomes - not just bits of it. etc etc etc. You ask these questions because research never 'shows' anything..... No legitimate researchers would use that term. Ever. Because research is never clear cut or absolute.

Only a total partisan would think otherwise.

Hallefreakinlujah!
I tell my kids all the time, when someone gives you information, in any form, ALWAYS consider the source. ALWAYS consider does this person have any incentives to spin the data one way or another.
Which is why I never put credence in the talking heads on ANY cable news concerning economics.

Well, those of us with an education understand the term 'critical thinking'. We do not take our opinions from the media, or wiki, or any other source that is open to bias. It makes it hard work to get hard factual info, but it is worth it.

This.
"Hard factual info" is in some ways a myth. There are always ways to spin facts, few things are simple.
A great book on the subject is "How to Lie With Statistics" from the 1950s. There he shows how "average" can be abused endlessly to mean whatever someone wants it to mean. Studies can show all kinds of things, depending on the variables and controls used.
This article is a good example. It contrasts two approaches and the result is to say one is succesful because the other isn't. That isn't a fair sample, only a contrast of two bad policies.
Sadly, the ability to look at evidence and make reasonable conclusions from them is not taught in most schools. Merely the juxtaposition of things suffices for many people, as long as it confirms wha tthey want.
So "studies" that show that unemployment benefits are a great way to boost the economy fail when considered in a wider context. And that, btw, was one of John McCain's advisor's beliefs. So it isn't limited to poorly educated people.

 

[Mad Scientist]

I realize Metternich already pwned you with this excellent post yesterday:

The PERI is under commission by the Center for American Progress.
peri.umass.edu "Center for American Progress" - Google Search
If you search PERI's site, and Center for American Progress; you'll see that every one of their reports (if you read them) cite CAP as a sponsor/commissioner. Additionally, you'll find the page at PERI that describes itself closely interlinked with the CAP.
If all your major work is done for one institute... How else do you describe yourself?

But if you would have read the "About" section in your own link, you would have seen that the source is hardly unbiased:

Talking Union is a project of the labor network of Democratic Socialists of America. We will report on the activities and views of DSA and Young Democratic Socialists of America labor activists. We seek to be a place for a broad range of labor activists to discuss ideas for the renewal and strengthening of the labor movement.
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics.

What? Socialist organizations commission studies that show government needs more Socialism? No Way!

You know, you and the other two Liberal posters looking over your shoulders need to do a better job of checking the facts before you hit the "submit reply" button.

 

[Metternich]

I realize Metternich already pwned you with this excellent post yesterday:

The PERI is under commission by the Center for American Progress.
peri.umass.edu "Center for American Progress" - Google Search
If you search PERI's site, and Center for American Progress; you'll see that every one of their reports (if you read them) cite CAP as a sponsor/commissioner. Additionally, you'll find the page at PERI that describes itself closely interlinked with the CAP.
If all your major work is done for one institute... How else do you describe yourself?

But if you would have read the "About" section in your own link, you would have seen that the source is hardly unbiased:

Talking Union is a project of the labor network of Democratic Socialists of America. We will report on the activities and views of DSA and Young Democratic Socialists of America labor activists. We seek to be a place for a broad range of labor activists to discuss ideas for the renewal and strengthening of the labor movement.
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics.

What? Socialist organizations commission studies that show government needs more Socialism? No Way!

You know, you and the other two Liberal posters looking over your shoulders need to do a better job of checking the facts before you hit the "submit reply" button.

I can now only hope that this thread dies the death it has deserved a long time ago.

Also, well played.

 

[The Rabbi]

While TM has been thoroughly pwned already, I would say that merely pointing out that such and such a study is funded by such and such is not sufficient to refute its findings. If it is truly biased then those biases ought to be easily ascertainable from the study.
Of course this one is, and we've already pointed out the issues. But in general I would hope to see a higher standard than "that's funded by X so it obviously can't be true." That's just too easy.

 

[Mad Scientist]

While TM has been thoroughly pwned already, I would say that merely pointing out that such and such a study is funded by such and such is not sufficient to refute its findings. If it is truly biased then those biases ought to be easily ascertainable from the study.
Of course this one is, and we've already pointed out the issues. But in general I would hope to see a higher standard than "that's funded by X so it obviously can't be true." That's just too easy.

1. TM tried to say her source wasn't biased. We showed her it was.
2. The source claimed that government spending was the most effective way out of a recession yet after nearly one trillion in stimulus spending most economists say the economy is headed back into a double dip recession.

Whether the source was biased or not, it's still wrong and yes, easily ascertainable from the study itself. Besides, I think it's very important for Conservatives to point out biased news sources from the left as support for their arguments.

Liberals all over this great land are twisting and turning in an effort not to admit that government stimulus spending doesn't work. TM is only one of them. And I for one am enjoying the show!

 

[loosecannon]

New Study: Funding Public Services is the Best Route to Prosperity Talking Union


The New England states, can no longer afford to spend scarce resources on tax credits and other business giveaways. Instead, the region needs to focus its economic development efforts on rebuilding neglected infrastructure and improving education for people at all levels, from pre-school youngsters to older adult workers.

Those are the conclusions of a new study released today by economist Jeffrey Thompson of the Political Economy Research Institute (PERI) at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. Thompson’s paper is based on his extensive analysis of research on what works and doesn’t work to create jobs and strengthen state and regional economies. It suggests a better approach to economic development, one that the New England states should pursue as they slowly dig out from the Great Recession that began in late 2007.

This is a non starter. At any given point in every nation's history the best path toward prosperity is different. For Greece it is austerity while for China it is putting the brakes on their growth to cool a real estate and foreign investment bubble.

Provided that the study's conclusions are true it would only be so for NE at this point in time. It may only apply disastrously to LA, CA, or AK.

 

[Truthmatters]

PERI - Political Economy Research Institute: About Us


About Us
About PERI
The Political Economy Research Institute (PERI) promotes human and ecological well-being through our original research. Our approach is to translate what we learn into workable policy proposals that are capable of improving life on our planet today and in the future. In the words of the late Professor Robert Heilbroner, we at PERI “strive to make a workable science out of morality.”

Established in 1998, PERI is an independent unit of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, with close ties to the Department of Economics. PERI staff frequently work collaboratively with faculty members and graduate students from the University of Massachusetts, and other economists from around the world. Many of these colleagues have become PERI Research Associates. Since its founding, PERI has become a leading source of research and policy initiatives on issues of globalization, unemployment, financial market instability, central bank policy, living wages and decent work, and the economics of peace, development, and the environment.

PERI’s goals for the future are to:

•continue producing high-quality research;
•increasingly focus the public economics debate on human and ecological welfare;
•expand the number of economists collaborating on PERI projects;
•and continue to raise our profile in the full range of communities that are concerned with economic policy questions.

 

[boedicca]

It took TM nearly 3 months to copy and paste from a link?

Classic.

 

[Truthmatters]

unlike you I dont LIVE on this site

 

[Truthmatters]

I realize Metternich already pwned you with this excellent post yesterday:

The PERI is under commission by the Center for American Progress.
peri.umass.edu "Center for American Progress" - Google Search
If you search PERI's site, and Center for American Progress; you'll see that every one of their reports (if you read them) cite CAP as a sponsor/commissioner. Additionally, you'll find the page at PERI that describes itself closely interlinked with the CAP.
If all your major work is done for one institute... How else do you describe yourself?

But if you would have read the "About" section in your own link, you would have seen that the source is hardly unbiased:

Talking Union is a project of the labor network of Democratic Socialists of America. We will report on the activities and views of DSA and Young Democratic Socialists of America labor activists. We seek to be a place for a broad range of labor activists to discuss ideas for the renewal and strengthening of the labor movement.
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the United States, and the U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. DSA’s members are building progressive movements for social change while establishing an openly socialist presence in American communities and politics.

What? Socialist organizations commission studies that show government needs more Socialism? No Way!

You know, you and the other two Liberal posters looking over your shoulders need to do a better job of checking the facts before you hit the "submit reply" button.

You have made up this shit from no where and these idiots bought it hook line and sinker.

 

[Truthmatters]

How very sad someone can type in a search that makes things look tied together and then completely invents shit that is NOT on the about us page and clones will just buy it as fact.


Do you see how manipulted you allow yourselves to be?

 

[Mad Scientist]

How very sad someone can type in a search that makes things look tied together and then completely invents shit that is NOT on the about us page and clones will just buy it as fact.


Do you see how manipulted you allow yourselves to be?

I can tell just by looking at your post that at least one other person helped you with it.

Posts that you make all by yourself are usually one sentence with a few swear words in it.

 

[code1211]

Republicans Voting Against Stimulus Then Asked Obama for Money - Bloomberg

The republicans repetedly claimed tax cuts work and spending doesnt.

They fought for reductions in the stim package and then would turn arround and voted against it anyway.

They then turned arround and held their hands out for the money.


Why didnt they fight FOR our economy instead of just voting against the dems?

Because they wanted the package to fail because they place party over country.

The Stimulus was approved and pissed away a Trillion dollars and showed no good result.

If more people would have voted against it, we would still be in recession, but we would have the Trillion dollars.

If it had never been proposed, voted upon or passed, we would be better off. Those who proposed and supported it actively worked to undermine our well being. Those who opposed it actively worked on behalf of our best interests.

Voting for a partisan rip-off in no way equates to working for the economy.