New study of CO2, H2O, global warming

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    NASA and the peer reviewed journal, Science. And some choose to give us the Canadian Free Press, the equivelant of the National Enquirer.

    NASA - Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature

    Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.

    The study, conducted by Andrew Lacis and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, examined the nature of Earth's greenhouse effect and clarified the role that greenhouse gases and clouds play in absorbing outgoing infrared radiation. Notably, the team identified non-condensing greenhouse gases -- such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and chlorofluorocarbons -- as providing the core support for the terrestrial greenhouse effect.

    Without non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. The study's results will be published Friday, Oct. 15 in Science.
     
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    I like Dr. Roger Pielke Sr.s take on it,

    "However, this paper perpetuates the narrow view that the since this gas does not condense and precipitate, it is THE dominate forcing since it “sustains the current levels of atmospheric water vapor and clouds via feedback processes.”

    "The paper is an interesting model experiment, but it really does not present any new insight beyond what we already know. Quite frankly, this would be a good Master’s thesis study to show why CO2 is an important climate forcing as well as provide insight into the water cycle feedback. However, it presentation as a major new research insight by Science is puzzling, unless the magazine wants to promote the message at the end of the Lacis et al paper that"

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    "My conclusion is that their paper does not present new scientific insight but is actually an op-ed presented in the guise of a research paper by Science magazine.

    They also do not present (and show why they should be refuted) alternative published perspectives so as we present in Pielke et al (2009) that"


    And Pielke is a cliamtologist who is a firm believer in AGW. However, he is also still a good scientist who wants proper methodologies to be used. I rarely agree with him on most subjects, but on this one I heartilly agree.
     
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    Interesting. Science, a peer reviewed journal, is publishing non-science. NASA is funding lies. The AGU and American Institute of Physics are pawns for global economic interests that seek to destroy capitalism.

    Nobody to trust but me and thee, and we are not so sure of thee.
     
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    Wamers won't be happy until everything north of the Ohio River is once again under a sheet of ice 6 miles thick.

    It's just too fucking stupid for words
     
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    "...carbon dioxide accounts for about 20 percent of the greenhouse effect, water vapor and clouds together account for 75 percent"

    Q. So how do we combat manmande Global Warming?

    A. Stop taking hot showers
     
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    I hope, I pray, that in one million years some archaeologist will come across the mummified body of some Warmer clutching "An Inconvenient Truth" who was quick frozen in a mile of ice when the planet cooled again.
     
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    When Warmers dream
     
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    This is a press release nothing more.

    Another press release promising tomorrow a new report proves the theory of Global Warming.

    Old Crock, you fell for the scam again.

    Talk about being a Jackass.
     
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    When it quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, and looks like a duck.........it's a duck!
     
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    When it talks like an idiot, it is an idiot. Sorry fellows, the real scientists have spoken.
     

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