New Rules On Right-To-Carry In National Parks

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    New Rules On Right-To-Carry In Our National Parks Take Effect Today

    Friday, January 09, 2009

    In early December, the U.S. Department of the Interior (DOI), through the National Park Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, announced the final amended version of a change to rules on carrying firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. The change will restore the right of law-abiding gun owners to transport and carry concealed firearms for lawful purposes on most DOI lands, according to the laws of the states in which these public lands are located.

    The new rule, which takes effect today, allows Right-to-Carry permit holders to carry concealed firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges in states that recognize their permits. The new rule will also put an end to the patchwork of regulations that governed different lands managed by different federal agencies. In the past, Bureau of Land Management and Forest Service lands allowed the carrying of firearms, while lands managed by DOI did not.

    The change was obviously necessary, given the passage of Right-to-Carry laws in so many states over the past two decades. As expected, of course, anti-gun activists are adamantly opposed to the new rule, and are already seeking to block the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while on DOI lands.

    Not surprisingly, the first to jump on the "banned" wagon was the anti-gun Brady Campaign, in a lawsuit filed against the DOI in federal court, seeking to have the new rule struck down. The National Parks Conservation Association and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees have also filed a similar suit.

    Brady contends that people have a right to visit parks without fear of permit-holders carrying guns. The contention is ludicrous, of course, since to get to a park requires people to travel through places where permit-holders abound, without posing any threat whatsoever.

    Using the same hyperbolic rhetoric and fear-mongering claims that are the mainstay of their anti-Right-to-Carry crusades, the Brady Campaign alleges that Right-to-Carry equals danger and violence, when countless studies and reams of data have repeatedly and consistently proved otherwise.

    Remember, the new rule will extend only to law-abiding citizens who have met the strict safety and background check requirements necessary to acquire a carry permit, and who are legally allowed to carry in the state in which the park is located.

    Rest assured that NRA will do everything within its power to keep this important change on the books.





    Copyright 2009, National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action.
    This may be reproduced. It may not be reproduced for commercial purposes.



     
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    Why do I have a feeling that is just waiting to blow up; specifically in someone's face.

    I first read about these laws when they came out.

    They also wanted to allow kids on college campuses to have guns too. That along with bars. :cuckoo:

    I just don't see the point of taking a gun to a National Park. I really don't. It's not like you can go hunting legally there.
     
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    I'm glad you brought that up.


    Park visitors have nothing to fear from new gun law

    By Steve Brooks​

    This is in response to Dan Thomasson's Dec. 10 column.



    Do you wear your seat belt when driving? Do you keep a fire extinguisher in your home? Did you teach your children to look both ways before crossing the street? Did you tell your children to never get into a car with a stranger?

    These things - and thousands of others - are called precautions. We take precautions because there is a chance that something might happen. We may never wreck, our home may never catch on fire, our children may never have a problem with traffic or strangers, but that doesn't mean the precautions we took were foolish, unnecessary or dangerous.

    Responsible people want to take care of themselves and protect themselves and their families. I do not want to be dependent upon the police or park service to protect me at all times, and in fact, they are completely unable to protect me 100 percent of the time. They won't always be right there beside me.

    A handgun carry permit is a precaution - plain and simple. Not a license to shoot someone over "a camping space" or "a triviality" as he obviously (and misleadingly) stated in his column.

    The general population is 5.7 times more likely to be arrested for a violent offense than permit holders, and 13.5 times more likely to be arrested for a nonviolent offense than permit holders.

    Permit holders go through training, background checks and examination before being issued a permit or license. They are in general a very law-abiding segment of society.

    Permit holders are more likely to be the ones helping you set up a tent or make it up that last quarter mile of trail at a national park - not harassing you. And you won't ever know that they were permit holders. They don't go around waving guns in the air and looking for trouble. The responsibility that goes with carrying firearms tends to make permit holders avoid risky situations, not seek them out.

    Tennessee has issued 339,000 handgun carry permits since October 1996. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation reports show that murder rates have declined 1-plus percent from 2001 to '02, 16.9 percent from '02 to '04, and 10 percent from '05 to '07. In those same periods, manslaughter was down 20-plus percent, 15-plus percent, and 26-plus percent.

    Even aggravated assault (a crime that's most likely to involve a gun) is down in the first and last of those three time periods. Weapons violations are down 0.6 percent from '05 to '07 despite the increase in gun sales and permit issuance.

    Medical errors kill more people than gun crimes - should we outlaw doctors and hospitals?

    This decision to open up the national parks for carry of handguns according to each state's existing law is a good thing and will not result in any of the Wild West scenarios he seems to imagine. It just hasn't happened.

    Criminals, by definition, do not obey the law, so no law is going to prevent them from carrying a weapon everywhere they go. The only thing these anti-Second Amendment laws do is prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting their wives, children, and selves.

    You do what you'd like - for my part, I'll keep on wearing my seat belt; I'll keep a fire extinguisher in my kitchen and beside my fireplace; and I'll keep on defending the Second Amendment.

    Steve Brooks was born in Decatur, Ga., moved to Tennessee for college at Carson Newman and East Tennessee State University, and moved to the Knoxville area in 1989. He is an environmental scientist. His e-mail address is steve.brooks@hughes.net

     
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    I don't know the CCW limitations for other states, but in Missouri no schools (#10) or bars (#7).


    Here is the MO Statute:

     
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    Well, National Parks I disagree with having guns.

    What's your opinion about having guns being legal inside bars and colleges MO? Agree or Disagree with it?
     
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    Personally, I see no problem with any law abiding, responsible, trained and licenced citizen carrying a concealed weapon to a bar or on a college campus.

    I do agree that no one should carry a firearm while drinking alcohol anywhere, period.



    Your turn. I carry a cocealed sidearm. What is the difference between you and I eating at McDonalds at the same time outside the boundary of a National Park and us enjoying smores at ajoining campsites inside the boundary of that National Park?
     
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    Well what are they going to do at a bar? Socialize? :cuckoo:

    Come on MO, no guns should be allowed in bars or a college campus. It's too dangerous and asking for trouble.

    National Park is a protected area for wildlife refuge and a leisure area for visitors.

    Whether we like to admit it or not, guns in National Parks will only result in Animals being shot by "accident" and the such. Someone can easily claim they thought that animal was a person trying to sneak up on them.

    Besides, that local McDonalds is patrolled nearby by police officers,etc.

    What do National Parks have? Park Rangers.

    Are we going to start arming Park Rangers with guns too in order to protect the visitors to the national park from people who happen to go nuts with a gun?
     
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    Truthfully, anyone I have ever known who has gone through the trouble of buying a handgun obtaining a conceal carry permit is the LAST person I would have ANY concern about having a gun in a national park OR a bar. The idiots who bring their stolen or illegally purchased guns wherever they go WITHOUT any sort of permit or license are the ones that we should be concerned with...and this law won't change that.
     
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    Just because someone has a permit, doesn't mean all their gun are legal? Does it? :confused:

    And why is this the same argument I hear for the right to carry a gun everywhere. The same logic that applies to college campuses, bars, and even high schools for eighteen year olds.

    Not all people who have a permit are innocent non-lawbreakers and not all places should have people carrying guns outside of perhaps Law enforcement when need be.
     
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    I suppose the same thing could be said to you, Robert:

    Why is that all anti-gun people scream like the moment law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry guns we're all going to be immediately transported to the wild west when evidence points to the contrary?

    All I'm saying...is that the people I MOST trust with guns...are the ones who take them seriously, respect them...and that usually means the people who are willing to go to the extremes of getting concealed carry permits, training, etc.

    I just don't see scores of college students learning of this new law, running out as quick as they can to a) buy a gun and b) get a concealed carry permit so that they can c) take it to a bar, get drunk, and shoot something.
     

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