New Proposed Laws Threaten Obama's 2012 Re-Election Prospects

[GStarz]

This post is qualified by two linked articles, below, one from pro-GOP WND, and the other from left leaning Associated Press, for balance. This is not a "fringe theory" though some will try to paint it as such - the information here is fact. Check the links.

Several states are in various stages of preparing laws to force any presidential candidate to show his original and/or long form (depending on the state) birth certificate. Even uber-liberal Mother Jones News has suggested that Obama may in fact not be constitutionally eligible by saying these laws may stop Obama cold in 2012.

The stakes have been upped as of this week, however; state Rep. Mark Hatfield, R-Ga., is taking it one step further with his proposed eligibility requirement – making it illegal for an elector to cast a ballot for an unapproved candidate.

The state's Presidential Eligibility Assurance Act would specify, "It is unlawful for any presidential elector from this state to cast his or her electoral college vote for a candidate who is not approved by the Secretary of State as having submitted adequate evidence of eligibility. Any person who violates this Code section shall upon conviction be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature."

Intellectually dishonest liberal activists have been dismissing people who want to know what Obama is hiding in his past with such pithy classifications as "Birthers", "Birfers", Wingnuts and lots of other unsubstantial, childish, school-ground name-calling instead of legitimate debate, and to some extent it has worked to silence many critics. But no longer. If Obama is clean, then great, and all we have to wonder about is why he spent taxpayer money fighting disclosure for 3 years, like a selfish asshole, and people will want to know - if nothing else, he needs to repay that money out of his own pocket. But if he isn't it's probably no exaggeration to say that with the November republican landslide as a benchmark, if obama served knowing he was unqualified after all the damage he has dome to this country, it will cripple the democrat party for generations. Such statements will frighten liberals, and that fear will enrage them and they strike out at this, but tough shit: facts are facts

"Birfer"? Very cute. But all it takes is one of these several laws to pass and Obama is stopped cold in 2012. Period. Then we'll see how much name-calling helps them.

World Net Daily pro-GOP version here (more detailed)
Associated Press uber-liberal,Obama-supporting pro-Democrat version here. (shorter version)

Remember, all it takes is one of these laws to pass in any state in the US and Obama is finished if he doesn't have the records. Not theory or speculation. Fact.



The term "Birther"? You didn't get the memo: it isn't working anymore. No one is intimidated by this in 2011 and state legislators are actively going after the records, and they'll get them, one way or another, or Obama will be off the ballots or both.

 

[DiveCon]

the full faith and credit clause of the constitution requires all states to accept the legal documents of another state as valid
many states issue the short form as proof of citizenship
all these laws will have to accept that or be found unconstitutional

 

[jgarden]

The American people will be glad to know that this is what the Republicans and The Tea Party think is the best use of their time.

 

[GStarz]

the full faith and credit clause of the constitution requires all states to accept the legal documents of another state as valid
many states issue the short form as proof of citizenship
all these laws will have to accept that or be found unconstitutional

You know DiveCon, we're still a federalist Republic, in case you have forgotten, and I have this teeny-tiny sneaking little suspicion that these legislators, by the dozens in several states, some of whom are lawyers, all of whom are being advised by constitutional experts and lawyers by the score, and all of whom are better-placed than you are to fully understand the applicable laws, might just know a tiny bit more about this than you do. You know, just maybe.

Just my opinion, of course.

The laws are coming.

From the Huffington Post, 2009

The only thing weirder than the Birthers are the anti-Birthers, who blame the Birthers for being conspiracy theorists yet actively feed the conspiracy by refusing to call for President Obama to release his birth certificate.

The state official in Hawaii who manages such things has reiterated that there is indeed an original birth certificate on file which would confirm President Obama's having been born in Hawaii and that she has seen it, but state law won't allow her to release it unless the president authorizes it.

So what's the problem here? Release the original and let's be done with this madness.

I realize there are some faith-based Obama supporters who believe without seeing, but the rest of us in the reality-based world are starting to get that strange feeling we got when Mark Sanford tried to convince us that he was away from his family on Father's Day, hiking the Appalachian trail in order to clear his head and write a book.

During the last campaign, John McCain faced similar questions and promptly responded by releasing his original birth certificate. That's how normal people with nothing to hide handle these things.

Most American's aren't Birthers or anti-Birthers, but we are beginning to wonder why the president doesn't put this one to rest once and for all. Every day he allows this circus to continue is another day that he behaves less like the President of the United States facing weird accusations from fringe groups and more like a strange politician flying to Argentina to visit his soul-mate while pretending to be hiking the Appalachians.

- The LIBERAL Huffington Post, 2009
The original article, HERE.

 

[Toro]

I created a birfer thread just for this issue.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

Here is what we know.

• In at least two states - Missouri and Nebraska - the initial bills would have effectively disqualified anyone from those states running for President since those states do not publish the certificates required in the bills. So we aren't talking constitutional scholars here.
  
• There is little doubt that these laws would stand up to judicial scrutiny. As Divecon said, states must accept official documents from other states. Several bills also disqualify dual citizenship, over which states have no authority.
  
• Bills are still alive in six states - Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Tennessee, Nebraska and Georgia. The only bill that has thus gone through committee is in Oklahoma. Bills have died in Arizona (2 bills), Oklahoma (2 bills), Montana, Hawaii, Connecticut and Indiana. The bill in MO effectively strips all of the birfer provisions. The original bill in Georgia had over 90 sponsors. Since the introduction of the bill, at least 28 have pulled their names.
  
• Several states tried to pass such laws last year. All failed.

 

[rightwinger]

If Hawaii says he was born there....you lose

Sucks being a birther

 

[GStarz]

If Hawaii says he was born there....you lose

Sucks being a birther

"Birther" again. Geez, what assholes. seriously. Another 'weirder-than-the-birther-anti-birther', except you're a snide little shit on top of it.

If Obama doesn't have the records, he - and you -lose, no matter what Hawaii says. Obama is a grown up little fellow, now - his mommy can't write him a note excusing him from class. He has to produce the records himself. If he can't he's going down, and he's taking you with him.

 

[Toro]

You know DiveCon, we're still a federalist Republic, in case you have forgotten, and I have this teeny-tiny sneaking little suspicion that these legislators, by the dozens in several states, some of whom are lawyers, all of whom are being advised by constitutional experts and lawyers by the score, and all of whom are better-placed than you are to fully understand the applicable laws, might just know a tiny bit more about this than you do. You know, just maybe.

For candidates who are required by the Constitution of the United States to be natural born citizens, the secretary of state shall request an official copy of the candidate’s birth certificate. Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted.

Missouri Legislature Wants To Vet Obama BC: HJR 34 | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty

if you click on the link to the bill's text, you see it's been withdrawn. Why? Because the authors of the bill realized that Missouri ONLY issues COLBs. That bill would have excluded any Missourian from being on their own state's ballot for President!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

The 14-page bill, sponsored by District 44 State Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial, would prohibit placing presidential and vice presidential candidates on the state's ballot unless they provide a certified, long-form version of their birth certificate to Nebraska's secretary of state.

Christensen's bill would also require candidates to provide their parents' certified long-form birth certificates. If a person's birth father is unknown, Christensen said a candidate would have to file an affidavit with the state, stating that they have no reason to believe their father is not a U.S. citizen.

The Nebraska Vital Records website contains no option to request a long form birth certificate. Christensen said he had not talked to Nebraska Vital Records staff, but modeled the bill's language after what has been used in other states.

McCook Daily Gazette: State News: Christensen introduces 'birther bill' (02/03/11)

Yeah, "all" of them being advised by "constitutional experts" without realizing that their bills would disqualify their own citizens from ever running for President. My guess is that these "experts" aren't charging $500 an hour for their time. You get what you pay for!

 

[GStarz]

You know DiveCon, we're still a federalist Republic, in case you have forgotten, and I have this teeny-tiny sneaking little suspicion that these legislators, by the dozens in several states, some of whom are lawyers, all of whom are being advised by constitutional experts and lawyers by the score, and all of whom are better-placed than you are to fully understand the applicable laws, might just know a tiny bit more about this than you do. You know, just maybe.

For candidates who are required by the Constitution of the United States to be natural born citizens, the secretary of state shall request an official copy of the candidate’s birth certificate. Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted.

Missouri Legislature Wants To Vet Obama BC: HJR 34 | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty

if you click on the link to the bill's text, you see it's been withdrawn. Why? Because the authors of the bill realized that Missouri ONLY issues COLBs. That bill would have excluded any Missourian from being on their own state's ballot for President!

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

The 14-page bill, sponsored by District 44 State Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial, would prohibit placing presidential and vice presidential candidates on the state's ballot unless they provide a certified, long-form version of their birth certificate to Nebraska's secretary of state.

Christensen's bill would also require candidates to provide their parents' certified long-form birth certificates. If a person's birth father is unknown, Christensen said a candidate would have to file an affidavit with the state, stating that they have no reason to believe their father is not a U.S. citizen.

The Nebraska Vital Records website contains no option to request a long form birth certificate. Christensen said he had not talked to Nebraska Vital Records staff, but modeled the bill's language after what has been used in other states.

McCook Daily Gazette: State News: Christensen introduces 'birther bill' (02/03/11)

Yeah, "all" of them being advised by "constitutional experts" without realizing that their bills would disqualify their own citizens from ever running for President. My guess is that these "experts" aren't charging $500 an hour for their time. You get what you pay for!

You are getting hilariously and pathetically desperate, Skippy. First you cite your source as the world renowned "McCook Daily Gazette" (ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!) whatever the fuck that is, and then you come to a conclusion that is nowhere even hinted at in the article!

Keep wiping Obama's asshole with your nose, Skippy. The show is pathetic, but like chasing an ambulance, one can't help but look. LOL!

 

[rightwinger]

If Hawaii says he was born there....you lose

Sucks being a birther

"Birther" again. Geez, what assholes. seriously. Another 'weirder-than-the-birther-anti-birther', except you're a snide little shit on top of it.

If Obama doesn't have the records, he - and you -lose, no matter what Hawaii says. Obama is a grown up little fellow, now - his mommy can't write him a note excusing him from class. He has to produce the records himself. If he can't he's going down, and he's taking you with him.

The correct term is...." Fucking retard birther".

But I was being polite

 

[Polk]

the full faith and credit clause of the constitution requires all states to accept the legal documents of another state as valid
many states issue the short form as proof of citizenship
all these laws will have to accept that or be found unconstitutional

I'd add that the State Department considers the "short form" as proof of citizenship for acquiring a passport.

 

[Toro]

You know DiveCon, we're still a federalist Republic, in case you have forgotten, and I have this teeny-tiny sneaking little suspicion that these legislators, by the dozens in several states, some of whom are lawyers, all of whom are being advised by constitutional experts and lawyers by the score, and all of whom are better-placed than you are to fully understand the applicable laws, might just know a tiny bit more about this than you do. You know, just maybe.

Missouri Legislature Wants To Vet Obama BC: HJR 34 | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty



http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

The 14-page bill, sponsored by District 44 State Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial, would prohibit placing presidential and vice presidential candidates on the state's ballot unless they provide a certified, long-form version of their birth certificate to Nebraska's secretary of state.

Christensen's bill would also require candidates to provide their parents' certified long-form birth certificates. If a person's birth father is unknown, Christensen said a candidate would have to file an affidavit with the state, stating that they have no reason to believe their father is not a U.S. citizen.

The Nebraska Vital Records website contains no option to request a long form birth certificate. Christensen said he had not talked to Nebraska Vital Records staff, but modeled the bill's language after what has been used in other states.

McCook Daily Gazette: State News: Christensen introduces 'birther bill' (02/03/11)

Yeah, "all" of them being advised by "constitutional experts" without realizing that their bills would disqualify their own citizens from ever running for President. My guess is that these "experts" aren't charging $500 an hour for their time. You get what you pay for!

You are getting hilariously and pathetically desperate, Skippy. First you cite your source as the world renowned "McCook Daily Gazette" (ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!) whatever the fuck that is, and then you come to a conclusion that is nowhere even hinted at in the article!

Keep wiping Obama's asshole with your nose, Skippy. The show is pathetic, but like chasing an ambulance, one can't help but look. LOL!

Put your money where your mouth is yet, GTardz?

I thought not.


Hey Skippy, why don't you do something different for a change and back up your contention. You have yet once linked to anything regarding these birfer bills. Why don't you show us something, anything, that "all ... are being advised by constitutional experts and lawyers." Mm-kay?

 

[WorldWatcher]

the full faith and credit clause of the constitution requires all states to accept the legal documents of another state as valid
many states issue the short form as proof of citizenship
all these laws will have to accept that or be found unconstitutional

Spot on.....

............... And it only took the 2nd post.


[DISCLAIMER: As a Republican I support laws (such as the proposed Maine Law) which requires ALL elected officials to provide proof they meet the eligibility requirements for elected office to appear on the ballot. Laws targeting one man though? Political hackery. IMHO of course.]



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[Toro]

BTW, GTardz posting from World Net Daily and dissing a local paper in the state of the bill.

Classic.

 

[Toro]

Skippy

You should keep up to date. The Atlanta link is already old news.

March 1

Georgia Rep. Mark Hatfield, a Republican, said he still doesn't know if Obama is eligible to serve as president, and 92 of his GOP colleagues and one Democrat support the bill introduced Monday.

March 4, same newspaper

Six more lawmakers on Friday removed their names from a “birther” bill making its way in the Georgia House.

That brings the total number of co-sponsors who have dropped their support to 28, leaving House Bill 401 with 65 backers, all of them Republicans.

More lawmakers back away from ‘birther' bill *| ajc.com

Here are the Republicans disassociating themselves from the birfer bill.

FTR - The author of the bill tried to pass a birfer bill in the Georgia House last year but failed. He will probably fail again.

More on GA here.

 

[Polk]

Skippy

You should keep up to date. The Atlanta link is already old news.

March 1

Georgia Rep. Mark Hatfield, a Republican, said he still doesn't know if Obama is eligible to serve as president, and 92 of his GOP colleagues and one Democrat support the bill introduced Monday.

March 4, same newspaper

Six more lawmakers on Friday removed their names from a “birther” bill making its way in the Georgia House.

That brings the total number of co-sponsors who have dropped their support to 28, leaving House Bill 401 with 65 backers, all of them Republicans.

More lawmakers back away from ‘birther' bill *| ajc.com

Here are the Republicans disassociating themselves from the birfer bill.

Georgia is too focused on other pressing issues, like banning sharia law, keeping microchips out of people's asses, and policing every pregnancy.

 

[jgarden]

This is a variation of the Jim Crow Laws - in this case, if you can't beat Obama at the ballot box, then try to have his name removed from the ballot!

 

[skookerasbil]

If Hawaii says he was born there....you lose

Sucks being a birther

"Birther" again. Geez, what assholes. seriously. Another 'weirder-than-the-birther-anti-birther', except you're a snide little shit on top of it.

If Obama doesn't have the records, he - and you -lose, no matter what Hawaii says. Obama is a grown up little fellow, now - his mommy can't write him a note excusing him from class. He has to produce the records himself. If he can't he's going down, and he's taking you with him.

The correct term is...." Fucking retard birther".

But I was being polite

Would kinda suck if your boy went down over this s0n, huh???? Id laugh my balls off..........never been much into this story, but it would be fcukking hysterical.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Here is a report with the same dateline:

< < Second Georgia Bill Requiring Birth Certificates for Presidential Candidates Has 88 Co-sponsors
March 3rd, 2011

Ballot Access News » Blog Archive » Second Georgia Bill Requiring Birth Certificates for Presidential Candidates Has 88 Co-sponsors

Two bills are pending in the Georgia House of Representatives to require birth certificates for presidential candidates. The first, HB 37, was introduced on January 10 by Representative Bobby Franklin (R-Marietta). It requires political parties to submit “original documentation” for candidates who appear on that party’s presidential primary, and also for the party to submit “original documentation” for its nominee in November.

The second bill, HB 401, was introduced on February 28 by Representative Mark Hatfield (R-Waycross). It originally had 93 co-sponsors, but now it has 89, because four co-sponsors have removed their names. The Georgia House has 116 Republicans, 63 Democrats, and one independent. All of the co-sponsors are Republicans. HB 401 requires “A certified exact copy of the candidate’s first original long-form birth certificate that includes the candidate’s date, time, and place of birth; the name of the specific hospital or other location at which the candidate was born; the attending physician at the candidate’s birth; the names of the candidate’s birth parents and their respective birthplaces and places of residence; and signtures of the witness or witnesses in attendance at the candidate’s birth.” However, the bill says if such a document does not exist, the candidate shall attach other documents. The bill does not say who is responsible for furnishing the birth certificate, for purposes of the general election ballot. The parties are responsible for submitting such documents for purposes of the presidential primary ballot.

HB 401 also says that if any presidential elector votes for someone in the electoral college who has not submitted documentation of birth, the elector will be guilty of a “misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.” Thanks to Bill Van Allen for this news

 

[Toro]

Here is a report with the same dateline:

< < Second Georgia Bill Requiring Birth Certificates for Presidential Candidates Has 88 Co-sponsors
March 3rd, 2011

Ballot Access News » Blog Archive » Second Georgia Bill Requiring Birth Certificates for Presidential Candidates Has 88 Co-sponsors

Two bills are pending in the Georgia House of Representatives to require birth certificates for presidential candidates. The first, HB 37, was introduced on January 10 by Representative Bobby Franklin (R-Marietta). It requires political parties to submit “original documentation” for candidates who appear on that party’s presidential primary, and also for the party to submit “original documentation” for its nominee in November.

The second bill, HB 401, was introduced on February 28 by Representative Mark Hatfield (R-Waycross). It originally had 93 co-sponsors, but now it has 89, because four co-sponsors have removed their names. The Georgia House has 116 Republicans, 63 Democrats, and one independent. All of the co-sponsors are Republicans. HB 401 requires “A certified exact copy of the candidate’s first original long-form birth certificate that includes the candidate’s date, time, and place of birth; the name of the specific hospital or other location at which the candidate was born; the attending physician at the candidate’s birth; the names of the candidate’s birth parents and their respective birthplaces and places of residence; and signtures of the witness or witnesses in attendance at the candidate’s birth.” However, the bill says if such a document does not exist, the candidate shall attach other documents. The bill does not say who is responsible for furnishing the birth certificate, for purposes of the general election ballot. The parties are responsible for submitting such documents for purposes of the presidential primary ballot.

HB 401 also says that if any presidential elector votes for someone in the electoral college who has not submitted documentation of birth, the elector will be guilty of a “misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature.” Thanks to Bill Van Allen for this news

You're a little behind things. There are now 68 sponsors of this bill as the saner members of the Republican caucus realize that they don't want to associated with the nutters.