New Melt Record for Greenland Ice Sheet; 'Exceptional' Season Stretched Up to 50 Days

[ScienceRocks]

New Melt Record for Greenland Ice Sheet; 'Exceptional' Season Stretched Up to 50 Days Longer Than Average

ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2011) — New research shows that 2010 set new records for the melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet, expected to be a major contributor to projected sea level rises in coming decades.


"This past melt season was exceptional, with melting in some areas stretching up to 50 days longer than average," said Dr. Marco Tedesco, director of the Cryospheric Processes Laboratory at The City College of New York (CCNY -- CUNY), who is leading a project studying variables that affect ice sheet melting.

"Melting in 2010 started exceptionally early at the end of April and ended quite late in mid- September."

The study, with different aspects sponsored by World Wildlife Fund (WWF), the National Science Foundation and NASA, examined surface temperature anomalies over the Greenland ice sheet surface, as well as estimates of surface melting from satellite data, ground observations and models.

In an article published in Environmental Research Letters, Professor Tedesco and co-authors note that in 2010, summer temperatures up to 3C above the average were combined with reduced snowfall.

The capital of Greenland, Nuuk, had the warmest spring and summer since records began in 1873.

Bare ice was exposed earlier than the average and longer than previous years, contributing to the extreme record.

"Bare ice is much darker than snow and absorbs more solar radiation," said Professor Tedesco. "Other ice melting feedback loops that we are examining include the impact of lakes on the glacial surface, of dust and soot deposited over the ice sheet and how surface meltwater affects the flow of the ice toward the ocean."

WWF climate specialist Dr. Martin Sommerkorn said "Sea level rise is expected to top 1 metre by 2100, largely due to melting from ice sheets. And it will not stop there -- the longer we take to limit greenhouse gas production, the more melting and water level rise will continue."

Dr. Tedesco's continuing research on ice sheets can be followed on Cryocity.org.

For more on Arctic climate change, visit WWF - The Arctic.

New melt record for Greenland ice sheet; 'Exceptional' season stretched up to 50 days longer than average

 

[ScienceRocks]

Greenland’s Ice Feels the Heat in Record-Setting 2010

Unusually warm conditions in much of the country helped extend the annual melting season by up to 50 days longer in 2010 than the average observed between 1979 and 2009, researchers found. ……………
Recent studies suggest that sea level will rise between 3 and 6 feet by 2100, with a significant contribution coming from the more rapid melting of huge ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland.
The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia cwire/ 2011/ 01/ 21/ 21climatewire-greenlands-ice-feels-the-heat-in-record-sett-93789.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

 

[skookerasbil]

Trust me.........nobody cares.


Especially people in Minnesota who will be enjoying temperatures of minus 40 degrees tomorrow and through the weekend.

Minnesota Braces For Extreme Cold CBS Minnesota



jackass duped alarmist k00ks...............



Anyway...........Antarctic ice has reached near historic levels in the last year.

Antarctic Ice Explosion


k00k morons...........like ten years ago, still cherry picking their data to attain their agenda!!!!



fcukking............fAiL




skooks blows up yet another nutty-ass thread!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

Really stupid, Kooky. Even for you. So easy to check. The Anarctic Ice is at a -0.30 anamoly.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

 

[Old Rocks]

An extriordinery winter shaping up in Northeastern Canada and Western Greenland.

AccuWeather.com - Brett Anderson | Hudson Bay Region Still Waiting for Winter

Hudson Bay Region Still Waiting for Winter

Dec 30, 2010; 5:41 PM ET

Much of northeastern Canada is still waiting for winter to set in, and the latest projections continue to show more abnormal warmth across the region into early January.

Persistent high pressure in the upper levels of the atmosphere over the region has prevented any Arctic air from getting into the region since autumn. Basically, an island of unusually warm air.


Temperature anomaly map for Canada in November 2010.



The impact of this cannot be good for the locals and the wildlife up in that region.

This long spell of warm weather has even prevented a large part of eastern Hudson Bay from freezing over, and it's almost Jan. 1!

GFS model forecast for temperature anomalies across North America on Jan. 13. Reds are warmer than normal, blues colder than normal.



The image below is from MODIS and still shows a large body of open water along the eastern side of Hudson Bay which is almost unheard of.

 

[skookerasbil]

An extriordinery winter shaping up in Northeastern Canada and Western Greenland.

AccuWeather.com - Brett Anderson | Hudson Bay Region Still Waiting for Winter

Hudson Bay Region Still Waiting for Winter

Dec 30, 2010; 5:41 PM ET

Much of northeastern Canada is still waiting for winter to set in, and the latest projections continue to show more abnormal warmth across the region into early January.

Persistent high pressure in the upper levels of the atmosphere over the region has prevented any Arctic air from getting into the region since autumn. Basically, an island of unusually warm air.


Temperature anomaly map for Canada in November 2010.



The impact of this cannot be good for the locals and the wildlife up in that region.

This long spell of warm weather has even prevented a large part of eastern Hudson Bay from freezing over, and it's almost Jan. 1!

GFS model forecast for temperature anomalies across North America on Jan. 13. Reds are warmer than normal, blues colder than normal.



The image below is from MODIS and still shows a large body of open water along the eastern side of Hudson Bay which is almost unheard of.

still talking The Hudson Bay.............tens of thousands of miles from Antarctica!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And the point is...?

 

[Old Rocks]

An extriordinery winter shaping up in Northeastern Canada and Western Greenland.

AccuWeather.com - Brett Anderson | Hudson Bay Region Still Waiting for Winter

Hudson Bay Region Still Waiting for Winter

Dec 30, 2010; 5:41 PM ET

Much of northeastern Canada is still waiting for winter to set in, and the latest projections continue to show more abnormal warmth across the region into early January.

Persistent high pressure in the upper levels of the atmosphere over the region has prevented any Arctic air from getting into the region since autumn. Basically, an island of unusually warm air.


Temperature anomaly map for Canada in November 2010.



The impact of this cannot be good for the locals and the wildlife up in that region.

This long spell of warm weather has even prevented a large part of eastern Hudson Bay from freezing over, and it's almost Jan. 1!

GFS model forecast for temperature anomalies across North America on Jan. 13. Reds are warmer than normal, blues colder than normal.



The image below is from MODIS and still shows a large body of open water along the eastern side of Hudson Bay which is almost unheard of.

still talking The Hudson Bay.............tens of thousands of miles from Antarctica!!!

Well, dumbass, you started with Minnesota. Last time I looked that was in North America. So Minnesota is cold in January. Break out the headlines. The present tempertures in Minnesota is normal for Minnesota in January. The present tempertures for Hudson's Bay and Greenland are far above normal for January.

And the sea ice anamoly in Antarctica is in the minus column. Do I need to explain to you what an anamoly is?

 

[Old Rocks]

And the point is...?

Amazingly enough, Kooky is even more full of shit than you are

 

[Mini 14]

0.000000025 x subset(z) = ???

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Has anyone isolated the cause of this?

 

[Old Rocks]

I don't know. Maybe Kooky is a bit older.

 

[Zander]

I Guess we'll have to pass a lot of job killing legislation, pass more entitlements for the poor, and raise taxes on "the rich" It's the only way to stop globull warming...........

 

[ba1614]

Cool, soon it will be as warm as it was in the 1300s when Vikings flourished there.

 

[polarbear]

New Melt Record for Greenland Ice Sheet; 'Exceptional' Season Stretched Up to 50 Days Longer Than Average

ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2011) — .......


"This past melt season was exceptional, with melting in some areas stretching up to 50 days longer than average," said Dr. Marco Tedesco, director of the Cryospheric Processes Laboratory at The City College of New York (CCNY -- CUNY), who is leading a project studying variables that affect ice sheet melting.

"Melting in 2010 started exceptionally early at the end of April and ended quite late in mid- September."

The study, with different aspects sponsored by World Wildlife Fund (WWF), the National Science Foundation and NASA, examined surface temperature anomalies over the Greenland ice sheet surface, as well as estimates of surface melting from satellite data, ground observations and models.

In an article published in Environmental Research Letters, Professor Tedesco and co-authors note that in 2010, summer temperatures up to 3C above the average were combined with reduced snowfall.


"Bare ice is much darker than snow and absorbs more solar radiation," said Professor Tedesco. "Other ice melting feedback loops that we are examining include the impact of lakes on the glacial surface, of dust and soot deposited over the ice sheet and how surface meltwater affects the flow of the ice toward the ocean."

WWF climate specialist Dr. Martin Sommerkorn said "Sea level rise is expected to top 1 metre by 2100, largely due to melting from ice sheets. And it will not stop there -- the longer we take to limit greenhouse gas production, the more melting and water level rise will continue."

Dr. Tedesco's continuing research on ice sheets can be followed on Cryocity.org.

For more on Arctic climate change, visit WWF - The Arctic.

New melt record for Greenland ice sheet; 'Exceptional' season stretched up to 50 days longer than average

You asked for it...and I`ll lay my cards on the table ANYTIME!!!:

I'm putting the cards on the table. Put yours. Temps are based on moderate enso conditions.

Seldom do You see so much bullshit piled up in one place, except maybe in a cattle truck!
You let an asshole from New York who has never even been to Greenland sell You this crap as science!
Let`s start with this lie first:

dust and soot deposited over the ice sheet

The asshole from New York looks at a Satellite picture from Greenland and everything that doesn`t look white is "soot and dust" on the ice sheet!.......

Have You any idea what "card" You just laid on the table, by quoting this fuckhead director from the New York Cry o spherical hysterical institute who thinks "solar radiation" melted all this ice

Since You have not even the foggiest notion what enthalpy is, or any other thermodynamics I put it in terms even a simpleton can understand:
Ice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When ice melts, it absorbs as much energy as it would take to heat an equivalent mass of water by 80 °C.

Does that give You a vague idea what kind of super nova solar radiation it would take to melt all this ice...?
And what kind of crap "science" expert You just quoted here with the "cards you lay on the table"..?
The same massive amount of solar radiation which would be necessary to melt all that ice would fry everything around the Greenland glaciers and You could hard boil eggs in the Remus river!!!!

Since You have no idea about Greenland You probably need to be told that the pic`s with the ice were not taken in the winter, but at the height of summer..
doooh?...`cause during Winter it`s pitch dark 24 hours.

Does this look like we are kneeling on that Diesel Engine exhaust " soot" which the New York cryohysterical director spotted on his satellite picture????..
He did say soot!...no need to mention a diesel engine if you choose that word!

.that`s less than 500 miles from the pole and the entire country side is peppered with TREE STUMPS!

And then he talks about estimates and "average temperatures"....in GREENLAND!!
Let me clue You in on a little something, although YOU have not been up there You could have found that out with just a little bit due diligence:
Greenland ice sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, there are only a small number of weather stations on the island, and though Satellite data can examine the entire island, it has only been available since the early 1990s, making trending difficult.

Well You may be excused, but the New York City "Expert" on Greenland certainly not!

Also he is saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what NASA has in fact been saying:

Warmer temperatures in the region have brought increased precipitation to Greenland, and part of the lost mass has been offset by increased snowfalll.

...on the same web page!...This dumb Fuck from New York wants to quote NASA and doesn`t even bother checking what they say the snowfall was in Greenland!
People think they know everything about Greenland, just by looking at a picture screen with a Satellite image on it:

Even if the asshole from New York has never been to Greenland he should have noticed something, unless he is even more retarded as I estimate him to be...!
1.) Look at the color coded scale...notice something?
Look at the color scale for an INCREASE !
2.) If he was an "expert" he should have noticed where the highest decrease is!
That`s where You have the STEEPEST terrain gradients in all of Greenland, nowhere else does it drop off that steep and that long...
Do You have any idea what kind of pressure we are talking about at the base of this glacier?....I`m sure You don`t and that is forgivable too, because You committed no fraud here You simply quoted the asshole expert from New York and Played Your card"...as You put it Yourself!
Just make damn sure You are playing with a full deck...!
And an "expert" should have known at least a little bit about Physics:

Regelation was discovered by Michael Faraday. Regelation occurs only for substances, such as ice, that have the property of expanding upon freezing, for the melting points of those substances decrease with increasing external pressure. The melting point of ice falls by 0.0072 °C for each additional atm of pressure applied. For example, a pressure of 500 atmospheres is needed for ice to melt at –4 °C.

And I guess You have no Idea what kind of pressures we are talking about at that deep blue color coded area of Greenland, well here is a little hint how thick the ice is and take a wild guess why the ice is melting from UNDERNEATH ad NOT FROM THE TOP:

Greenland:
The ice caps average over 1 mile (1.6 km) thick, and a thickness of over 2 miles (3.2 km) has been measured."
In the past decades, scientists have drilled ice cores up to 4 kilometers (2.5 mi) deep.

As if that higher melt rate especially at that spot has anything to do with "soot on the ice"..! Or "average higher temperature".

He should have at least read what some of his buddies who are a bit more up to speed and have finally discovered what Mr. Faraday has discovered long before they finally just did too:

Geotimes - October 2003 - New model for glacial erosion

Glaciology
New model for glacial erosion
Glaciologist Richard Alley of Penn State and colleagues
Öskar Knudsen, a glaciologist with Klettur Consulting Engineers in Reykjavik, Iceland. “It explains sedimentation at Vatnajökull ice cap, which is the largest temperate body of ice on Earth and possibly the best analogue to the Laurentide and Scandinavian ice sheets,” he says. “The hypothesis therefore helps us to understand processes that operated at these ice sheets 10,000 years ago.”

Previous studies of glaciers in Iceland and Alaska, including the Matanuska glacier, have shown that glaciohydraulic supercooling is occurring and that slopes and sediment discharge rates are consistent with the new hypothesis. However, researchers say that they need additional data on the processes and the nature of the ice-bed interface.

And here is some of this "new data" which was not new to anyone who paid attention during his Physics lectures:

Greenland ice sheet flow driven by short-term weather extremes, not gradual warming: UBC research UBC Public Affairs

“The conventional view has been that meltwater permeates the ice from the surface and pools under the base of the ice sheet,” says Christian Schoof, an assistant professor at UBC’s Department of Earth and Ocean Sciences and the study’s author. “This water then serves as a lubricant between the glacier and the earth underneath it, allowing the glacier to shift to lower, warmer altitudes where more melt would occur.”

“This certainly doesn’t mitigate the issue of global warming, but it does mean that we need to expand our understanding of what’s behind the massive ice loss we’re worried about,” says Schoof.
According to the European Environment Agency, ice loss from the Greenland ice sheet has contributed to global sea-level rise at 0.14 to 0.28 millimetres per year between 1993 and 2003.

“It turns out that, contrary to popular belief, Greenland ice sheet flow might not be accelerated by increased melting after all,” says Shepherd, who was not involved in the research or peer review of the paper.

See,,? But they too still think water has to melt from the top, seep 2 MILES down an "lubricate" the bottom of a glacier!
Shit they could have just looked here, someone posted how Regelation causes a glacier to slide downhill:
Pressure melting point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This term is used in the glaciological literature to refer to the melting point of ice under pressure. As the pressure increases in the downward direction, the melting temperature of ice decreases. This pressure melting point can reach values many degrees below 0°C.

Due to geothermal heat flux from below, the temperature at the same time increases.

But hey, why deflate their balloon , let them re-invent the wheel ...for all I care, they can stand on top, piss.. and do a study how they can "lubricate a glacier".


And do You really think that European "climate scientists" can measure a sea rise level of 0.14 mm...You knew of course that we are talking about 5/ hundredth of an inch...or did you?
Fuck how much of this "computer modeling bullshit" can You swallow?...
Not a single one of these assholes ever even bothers to measure ANYTHING they feed their fuckhead estimates in a "computer model which is the mirror image of their shits for brains and show You a stupid 2 dimensional graph!...and You are impressed by it!

So if somebody tells You they measured John Candy`s waist line while he was huffing and puffing doing jumping jacks with 5/100 th of an inch accuracy You believe that too...
and "lay your card on the table"...
I recommend You count Your deck before You start playing cards!
But they are all Arm chair Greenland "experts"...him too:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/150781-global-warming-dire-prediction-for-the-year-3000-a.html#post3212985

Old Rocks
The scientists are showing the time it will take for the present CO2 to leave the atmosphere. As for 'scare tactics', the present weather patterns and ice melt are enough to give evidence that there are major changes going on right now. Changes that are already costing many billions of dollars.

He must be talking about how much they have been paying at the fuel pumps in Europe since the Ferkel, Andrea Merkel, the "climate chancellor" has enacted "greenhouse gas legislation"....and thinks that is only billions of Dollars...he can`t even do simple math, 1 liter of regular is about 1.5 Euros with the current exchange rate that`s U$ 5.40 per Gallon and that bitch has been in office since 2005!
So guess again how much this CO2 scam has been costing!
I know for sure this jerk has never been to Greenland either!
And now I am wondering if he has ever even been to school
Where the fuck do You get "information" like this?....

Old Rocks
The present tempertures for Hudson's Bay and Greenland are far above normal for January.

You asked an expert..?... because You are too stupid to look it up yourself:
Churchill, Manitoba, Canada weather conditions and forecast : WorldTimeServer.com

Weather in Churchill, Manitoba, Canada
Current Conditions in Churchill
skyicon
-33°F / -36°C
Feels like -59°F / -36°C
Wind: W at 13 mph / 21 km/h
Humidity: 62%
Pressure: 30.03 inches / 1017 mb
Sunrise: 8:43 AM
Sunset: 4:11 PM
Conditions updated at Sat, 22 Jan 2011 2:00 am CST

Oh yeah the polar Bears in Churchill must be sweating!

 

[skookerasbil]

LMAO..........Rocks pwned again!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

New Melt Record for Greenland Ice Sheet; 'Exceptional' Season Stretched Up to 50 Days Longer Than Average

ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2011) — .......


"This past melt season was exceptional, with melting in some areas stretching up to 50 days longer than average," said Dr. Marco Tedesco, director of the Cryospheric Processes Laboratory at The City College of New York (CCNY -- CUNY), who is leading a project studying variables that affect ice sheet melting.

"Melting in 2010 started exceptionally early at the end of April and ended quite late in mid- September."

The study, with different aspects sponsored by World Wildlife Fund (WWF), the National Science Foundation and NASA, examined surface temperature anomalies over the Greenland ice sheet surface, as well as estimates of surface melting from satellite data, ground observations and models.

In an article published in Environmental Research Letters, Professor Tedesco and co-authors note that in 2010, summer temperatures up to 3C above the average were combined with reduced snowfall.


"Bare ice is much darker than snow and absorbs more solar radiation," said Professor Tedesco. "Other ice melting feedback loops that we are examining include the impact of lakes on the glacial surface, of dust and soot deposited over the ice sheet and how surface meltwater affects the flow of the ice toward the ocean."

WWF climate specialist Dr. Martin Sommerkorn said "Sea level rise is expected to top 1 metre by 2100, largely due to melting from ice sheets. And it will not stop there -- the longer we take to limit greenhouse gas production, the more melting and water level rise will continue."

Dr. Tedesco's continuing research on ice sheets can be followed on Cryocity.org.

For more on Arctic climate change, visit WWF - The Arctic.

New melt record for Greenland ice sheet; 'Exceptional' season stretched up to 50 days longer than average

You asked for it...and I`ll lay my cards on the table ANYTIME!!!:

I'm putting the cards on the table. Put yours. Temps are based on moderate enso conditions.

Seldom do You see so much bullshit piled up in one place, except maybe in a cattle truck!
You let an asshole from New York who has never even been to Greenland sell You this crap as science!
Let`s start with this lie first:


The asshole from New York looks at a Satellite picture from Greenland and everything that doesn`t look white is "soot and dust" on the ice sheet!.......

Have You any idea what "card" You just laid on the table, by quoting this fuckhead director from the New York Cry o spherical hysterical institute who thinks "solar radiation" melted all this ice

Since You have not even the foggiest notion what enthalpy is, or any other thermodynamics I put it in terms even a simpleton can understand:
Ice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does that give You a vague idea what kind of super nova solar radiation it would take to melt all this ice...?
And what kind of crap "science" expert You just quoted here with the "cards you lay on the table"..?
The same massive amount of solar radiation which would be necessary to melt all that ice would fry everything around the Greenland glaciers and You could hard boil eggs in the Remus river!!!!

Since You have no idea about Greenland You probably need to be told that the pic`s with the ice were not taken in the winter, but at the height of summer..
doooh?...`cause during Winter it`s pitch dark 24 hours.

Does this look like we are kneeling on that Diesel Engine exhaust " soot" which the New York cryohysterical director spotted on his satellite picture????..
He did say soot!...no need to mention a diesel engine if you choose that word!

.that`s less than 500 miles from the pole and the entire country side is peppered with TREE STUMPS!

And then he talks about estimates and "average temperatures"....in GREENLAND!!
Let me clue You in on a little something, although YOU have not been up there You could have found that out with just a little bit due diligence:
Greenland ice sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Well You may be excused, but the New York City "Expert" on Greenland certainly not!

Also he is saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what NASA has in fact been saying:


...on the same web page!...This dumb Fuck from New York wants to quote NASA and doesn`t even bother checking what they say the snowfall was in Greenland!
People think they know everything about Greenland, just by looking at a picture screen with a Satellite image on it:

Even if the asshole from New York has never been to Greenland he should have noticed something, unless he is even more retarded as I estimate him to be...!
1.) Look at the color coded scale...notice something?
Look at the color scale for an INCREASE !
2.) If he was an "expert" he should have noticed where the highest decrease is!
That`s where You have the STEEPEST terrain gradients in all of Greenland, nowhere else does it drop off that steep and that long...
Do You have any idea what kind of pressure we are talking about at the base of this glacier?....I`m sure You don`t and that is forgivable too, because You committed no fraud here You simply quoted the asshole expert from New York and Played Your card"...as You put it Yourself!
Just make damn sure You are playing with a full deck...!
And an "expert" should have known at least a little bit about Physics:


And I guess You have no Idea what kind of pressures we are talking about at that deep blue color coded area of Greenland, well here is a little hint how thick the ice is and take a wild guess why the ice is melting from UNDERNEATH ad NOT FROM THE TOP:



As if that higher melt rate especially at that spot has anything to do with "soot on the ice"..! Or "average higher temperature".

He should have at least read what some of his buddies who are a bit more up to speed and have finally discovered what Mr. Faraday has discovered long before they finally just did too:

Geotimes - October 2003 - New model for glacial erosion



And here is some of this "new data" which was not new to anyone who paid attention during his Physics lectures:

Greenland ice sheet flow driven by short-term weather extremes, not gradual warming: UBC research UBC Public Affairs



See,,? But they too still think water has to melt from the top, seep 2 MILES down an "lubricate" the bottom of a glacier!
Shit they could have just looked here, someone posted how Regelation causes a glacier to slide downhill:
Pressure melting point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But hey, why deflate their balloon , let them re-invent the wheel ...for all I care, they can stand on top, piss.. and do a study how they can "lubricate a glacier".


And do You really think that European "climate scientists" can measure a sea rise level of 0.14 mm...You knew of course that we are talking about 5/ hundredth of an inch...or did you?
Fuck how much of this "computer modeling bullshit" can You swallow?...
Not a single one of these assholes ever even bothers to measure ANYTHING they feed their fuckhead estimates in a "computer model which is the mirror image of their shits for brains and show You a stupid 2 dimensional graph!...and You are impressed by it!

So if somebody tells You they measured John Candy`s waist line while he was huffing and puffing doing jumping jacks with 5/100 th of an inch accuracy You believe that too...
and "lay your card on the table"...
I recommend You count Your deck before You start playing cards!
But they are all Arm chair Greenland "experts"...him too:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/150781-global-warming-dire-prediction-for-the-year-3000-a.html#post3212985


He must be talking about how much they have been paying at the fuel pumps in Europe since the Ferkel, Andrea Merkel, the "climate chancellor" has enacted "greenhouse gas legislation"....and thinks that is only billions of Dollars...he can`t even do simple math, 1 liter of regular is about 1.5 Euros with the current exchange rate that`s U$ 5.40 per Gallon and that bitch has been in office since 2005!
So guess again how much this CO2 scam has been costing!
I know for sure this jerk has never been to Greenland either!
And now I am wondering if he has ever even been to school
Where the fuck do You get "information" like this?....

Old Rocks
The present tempertures for Hudson's Bay and Greenland are far above normal for January.

You asked an expert..?... because You are too stupid to look it up yourself:
Churchill, Manitoba, Canada weather conditions and forecast : WorldTimeServer.com

Weather in Churchill, Manitoba, Canada
Current Conditions in Churchill
skyicon
-33°F / -36°C
Feels like -59°F / -36°C
Wind: W at 13 mph / 21 km/h
Humidity: 62%
Pressure: 30.03 inches / 1017 mb
Sunrise: 8:43 AM
Sunset: 4:11 PM
Conditions updated at Sat, 22 Jan 2011 2:00 am CST

Oh yeah the polar Bears in Churchill must be sweating!

Hey Rocks and Chris......................

 

[skookerasbil]

New Melt Record for Greenland Ice Sheet; 'Exceptional' Season Stretched Up to 50 Days Longer Than Average

ScienceDaily (Jan. 21, 2011) — .......


"This past melt season was exceptional, with melting in some areas stretching up to 50 days longer than average," said Dr. Marco Tedesco, director of the Cryospheric Processes Laboratory at The City College of New York (CCNY -- CUNY), who is leading a project studying variables that affect ice sheet melting.

"Melting in 2010 started exceptionally early at the end of April and ended quite late in mid- September."

The study, with different aspects sponsored by World Wildlife Fund (WWF), the National Science Foundation and NASA, examined surface temperature anomalies over the Greenland ice sheet surface, as well as estimates of surface melting from satellite data, ground observations and models.

In an article published in Environmental Research Letters, Professor Tedesco and co-authors note that in 2010, summer temperatures up to 3C above the average were combined with reduced snowfall.


"Bare ice is much darker than snow and absorbs more solar radiation," said Professor Tedesco. "Other ice melting feedback loops that we are examining include the impact of lakes on the glacial surface, of dust and soot deposited over the ice sheet and how surface meltwater affects the flow of the ice toward the ocean."

WWF climate specialist Dr. Martin Sommerkorn said "Sea level rise is expected to top 1 metre by 2100, largely due to melting from ice sheets. And it will not stop there -- the longer we take to limit greenhouse gas production, the more melting and water level rise will continue."

Dr. Tedesco's continuing research on ice sheets can be followed on Cryocity.org.

For more on Arctic climate change, visit WWF - The Arctic.

New melt record for Greenland ice sheet; 'Exceptional' season stretched up to 50 days longer than average

You asked for it...and I`ll lay my cards on the table ANYTIME!!!:

I'm putting the cards on the table. Put yours. Temps are based on moderate enso conditions.

Seldom do You see so much bullshit piled up in one place, except maybe in a cattle truck!
You let an asshole from New York who has never even been to Greenland sell You this crap as science!
Let`s start with this lie first:


The asshole from New York looks at a Satellite picture from Greenland and everything that doesn`t look white is "soot and dust" on the ice sheet!.......

Have You any idea what "card" You just laid on the table, by quoting this fuckhead director from the New York Cry o spherical hysterical institute who thinks "solar radiation" melted all this ice

Since You have not even the foggiest notion what enthalpy is, or any other thermodynamics I put it in terms even a simpleton can understand:
Ice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does that give You a vague idea what kind of super nova solar radiation it would take to melt all this ice...?
And what kind of crap "science" expert You just quoted here with the "cards you lay on the table"..?
The same massive amount of solar radiation which would be necessary to melt all that ice would fry everything around the Greenland glaciers and You could hard boil eggs in the Remus river!!!!

Since You have no idea about Greenland You probably need to be told that the pic`s with the ice were not taken in the winter, but at the height of summer..
doooh?...`cause during Winter it`s pitch dark 24 hours.

Does this look like we are kneeling on that Diesel Engine exhaust " soot" which the New York cryohysterical director spotted on his satellite picture????..
He did say soot!...no need to mention a diesel engine if you choose that word!

.that`s less than 500 miles from the pole and the entire country side is peppered with TREE STUMPS!

And then he talks about estimates and "average temperatures"....in GREENLAND!!
Let me clue You in on a little something, although YOU have not been up there You could have found that out with just a little bit due diligence:
Greenland ice sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Well You may be excused, but the New York City "Expert" on Greenland certainly not!

Also he is saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what NASA has in fact been saying:


...on the same web page!...This dumb Fuck from New York wants to quote NASA and doesn`t even bother checking what they say the snowfall was in Greenland!
People think they know everything about Greenland, just by looking at a picture screen with a Satellite image on it:

Even if the asshole from New York has never been to Greenland he should have noticed something, unless he is even more retarded as I estimate him to be...!
1.) Look at the color coded scale...notice something?
Look at the color scale for an INCREASE !
2.) If he was an "expert" he should have noticed where the highest decrease is!
That`s where You have the STEEPEST terrain gradients in all of Greenland, nowhere else does it drop off that steep and that long...
Do You have any idea what kind of pressure we are talking about at the base of this glacier?....I`m sure You don`t and that is forgivable too, because You committed no fraud here You simply quoted the asshole expert from New York and Played Your card"...as You put it Yourself!
Just make damn sure You are playing with a full deck...!
And an "expert" should have known at least a little bit about Physics:


And I guess You have no Idea what kind of pressures we are talking about at that deep blue color coded area of Greenland, well here is a little hint how thick the ice is and take a wild guess why the ice is melting from UNDERNEATH ad NOT FROM THE TOP:



As if that higher melt rate especially at that spot has anything to do with "soot on the ice"..! Or "average higher temperature".

He should have at least read what some of his buddies who are a bit more up to speed and have finally discovered what Mr. Faraday has discovered long before they finally just did too:

Geotimes - October 2003 - New model for glacial erosion



And here is some of this "new data" which was not new to anyone who paid attention during his Physics lectures:

Greenland ice sheet flow driven by short-term weather extremes, not gradual warming: UBC research UBC Public Affairs



See,,? But they too still think water has to melt from the top, seep 2 MILES down an "lubricate" the bottom of a glacier!
Shit they could have just looked here, someone posted how Regelation causes a glacier to slide downhill:
Pressure melting point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But hey, why deflate their balloon , let them re-invent the wheel ...for all I care, they can stand on top, piss.. and do a study how they can "lubricate a glacier".


And do You really think that European "climate scientists" can measure a sea rise level of 0.14 mm...You knew of course that we are talking about 5/ hundredth of an inch...or did you?
Fuck how much of this "computer modeling bullshit" can You swallow?...
Not a single one of these assholes ever even bothers to measure ANYTHING they feed their fuckhead estimates in a "computer model which is the mirror image of their shits for brains and show You a stupid 2 dimensional graph!...and You are impressed by it!

So if somebody tells You they measured John Candy`s waist line while he was huffing and puffing doing jumping jacks with 5/100 th of an inch accuracy You believe that too...
and "lay your card on the table"...
I recommend You count Your deck before You start playing cards!
But they are all Arm chair Greenland "experts"...him too:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/150781-global-warming-dire-prediction-for-the-year-3000-a.html#post3212985


He must be talking about how much they have been paying at the fuel pumps in Europe since the Ferkel, Andrea Merkel, the "climate chancellor" has enacted "greenhouse gas legislation"....and thinks that is only billions of Dollars...he can`t even do simple math, 1 liter of regular is about 1.5 Euros with the current exchange rate that`s U$ 5.40 per Gallon and that bitch has been in office since 2005!
So guess again how much this CO2 scam has been costing!
I know for sure this jerk has never been to Greenland either!
And now I am wondering if he has ever even been to school
Where the fuck do You get "information" like this?....

Old Rocks
The present tempertures for Hudson's Bay and Greenland are far above normal for January.

You asked an expert..?... because You are too stupid to look it up yourself:
Churchill, Manitoba, Canada weather conditions and forecast : WorldTimeServer.com

Weather in Churchill, Manitoba, Canada
Current Conditions in Churchill
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-33°F / -36°C
Feels like -59°F / -36°C
Wind: W at 13 mph / 21 km/h
Humidity: 62%
Pressure: 30.03 inches / 1017 mb
Sunrise: 8:43 AM
Sunset: 4:11 PM
Conditions updated at Sat, 22 Jan 2011 2:00 am CST

Oh yeah the polar Bears in Churchill must be sweating!

Yo.......Rocks and Chris...........



I cant stop laughing!!!

 

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[Old Rocks]

Polar is the same kind of idiot as you, Kooky.