New & improved Republican party?

[Freemason9]

First of all, I'm not a "right winger." I'm an independent, fiscal and social conservative. Get that straight.

Second, (and don't EVER expect this to happen no matter WHO is president), EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT OFFICE should be gone through and the ones that are NOT NECESSARY, END THEM!
Second, NO MORE PORK BARREL SPENDING, END IT ALL, DONE WITH, OVER.
Third, end ALL FOREIGN aid to countries that hate us, that tit runs dry.
Fourth, END ALL WARS, TOTAL PULL OUT, NO MORE OCCUPYING, NO MORE NATION BUILDING.
Fifth, a constitutional amendment making LOBBYING ILLEGAL, NO MORE INFLUENCE BUYING AND CRONYISM.
Sixth, a FLAT TAX OF 13% FOR EVERY.... E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E!
Seventh, TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS, INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT, no more GOOD OLE BUYS CLUB.

How's that STARTERS mister liberal?

LOL, my apologies!

I agree with most of what you say, except for that "flat tax" fiction. You know why? Because all income taxation is based upon how "income" is calculated. That's how slave owners (American aristocrats and corporations) evade taxation--they buy Congressmen and make certain that tax law is written in a way that excludes a good bit of their money from income taxation. Hell, even "investment" and "capital gains" income receives special treatment--and I know many "entrepreneurs" that manage to write down their income to nearly zero for tax purposes.

So, a "flat tax" solves nothing whatever--it merely raises taxes substantially on the poorest workers, and lowers them substantially for those with all the money.

Our economy is collapsing because of the massive wealth concentrations that have occurred since Reagan "flattened" the tax code in 1980. Check out stats, that's a testable hypothesis. I'm not making it up.

Wrong, our economy is collapsing because of OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT SPENDING, PERIOD, END OF STORY.

You're wrong about a flat tax too. Everywhere a flat tax has been implemented tax revenue has shot through the roof. It works, whether you'd like to believe so or not. I call fair EVERYONE paying the SAME PERCENTAGE of their income in taxes. We do NOT have that now. The large amount of taxes paid by the top 1% of income earners in America is an abortion and travesty of justice and fairness.

Again, the problem is with income determination. In other words, the millionaire Homestead Act farmland heir today that pays nothing in income taxes will still pay nothing under a flat tax.

Get it?

Also, the "fiscal cliff" would have helped with that spending problem--except the GOP could not accept military spending cuts. And so it goes.

 

[Freemason9]

Your selective memory seems to have allowed you to forget the spending controls in place back then that don't exist toady. The new taxes and more are already spent and most are forgetting the new round of taxes that are coming with Maobamacare and the fact that it is now projected to cost 3 times original estimates. The economy doesn't stand a chance in the face of all that.

I think this "Maobamacare" thing you wingers continually harp on is based upon a false premise. I'd like for you to point out just HOW more will be spend IN AGGREGATE on U.S. healthcare than in the past--because fiscal experts and the GAO say that isn't the case at all.

Where do you get your data from?

$500 toilet seats and $300 hammers... that's where.

Past performance is a pretty good predictor of future performance...

Sorry, "soggy," but your response made no sense. You are referring to anecdotal government procurement expenditures, but Obamacare does NOT nationalize health care. It assures that everyone is insured, and that everyone pays.

Also, those expenditures you referred to are actually associated with the U.S. military system--the biggest socialist government apparatus in the world.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Raising taxes is not the answer, cut spending is. What part about that is so hard to understand?

Our government is absolutely out of control, dysfunctional with it's spending and printing fiat money. It's not a matter of the government NOT having enough money. It's WASTING what it HAS. Tax payers have done their part. They get soaked every mother fucking time Washington spends themselves into a new corner. It's time tax payers say NO MORE, and for government to STOP SPENDING!

But, that will probably never happen, like I said, Washington is absolutely out of control. It appears the ONLY way this country will EVER learn to live within it's means is for our economy to TOTALLY COLLAPSE, and that IS where we're headed.

How do you propose that we cut $1.2 trillion from our budget, OO7? I've never, ever taken right wingers seriously because they have never offered an answer to that question.

(Personally, I have little or no stake in this. I don't get federal payments--I'm not a farmer, member of the military, disabled, retired, aristocrat, or anything else--so I am entirely comfortable with massive cuts. That WILL collapse the economy, but I'm a free person--I can move anywhere, and I don't lust after property ownership.)

First of all, I'm not a "right winger." I'm an independent, fiscal and social conservative. Get that straight.

Second, (and don't EVER expect this to happen no matter WHO is president), EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT OFFICE should be gone through and the ones that are NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, END THEM!
Third, NO MORE PORK BARREL SPENDING, END IT ALL, DONE WITH, OVER.
Fourth, end ALL FOREIGN AID to countries that hate us, that tit runs dry.
Fifth, END ALL WARS, TOTAL PULL OUT, NO MORE OCCUPYING, NO MORE NATION BUILDING.
Sixth, a constitutional amendment making LOBBYING ILLEGAL, NO MORE INFLUENCE BUYING AND CRONYISM.
Seventh, a FLAT TAX OF 13% FOR EVERYONE.... E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E! (How's THAT for FAIR SHARE?)
Eighth, TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS, INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT, no more GOOD OLE BUYS CLUB. Maximum for President, 6 years.

How's that for STARTERS mister liberal?

You start by claiming you're not a "right winger" and then prance out the proposals of the far right. I hate to break it to you, but yup, you're a right winger.

Don't get me wrong, I see things in there that I agree with and some stuff I disagree with. Darn near everything you say is subject to interpretation and requires that everyone agree with YOUR definition of "Pork," "absolutely necessary," "nation building (as opposed to self defense)," and you determining when constituents outside your district can and cannot be represented by whoever the hell they choose.

 

[OKTexas]

Now Staph, I have been for the restoration of the Clinton tax schedule in it's entirety from the beginning. With the Buffet Rule thrown in. And the 6.2% I pay in SS taxes to go right up to the top. As an upper middle earner, I have no problem paying the extra, and during the Cliinton years, saw real economic progress for the first time in a long time. To see that kind of employment levels again would be well worth the money it would cost me personally.

Your selective memory seems to have allowed you to forget the spending controls in place back then that don't exist toady. The new taxes and more are already spent and most are forgetting the new round of taxes that are coming with Maobamacare and the fact that it is now projected to cost 3 times original estimates. The economy doesn't stand a chance in the face of all that.

I think this "Maobamacare" thing you wingers continually harp on is based upon a false premise. I'd like for you to point out just HOW more will be spend IN AGGREGATE on U.S. healthcare than in the past--because fiscal experts and the GAO say that isn't the case at all.

Where do you get your data from?

CBO estimates, look it up. Their extimate went from the original 900 billion to 2.7 trillion. But hey, it's only money and the fed can print all we need, right.

 

[Dot Com]

Wrong, our economy is collapsing because of OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT SPENDING, PERIOD, END OF STORY.

You're wrong about a flat tax too. Everywhere a flat tax has been implemented tax revenue has shot through the roof. It works, whether you'd like to believe so or not. I call fair EVERYONE paying the SAME PERCENTAGE of their income in taxes. We do NOT have that now. The large amount of taxes paid by the top 1% of income earners in America is an abortion and travesty of justice and fairness.

Flat Tax Is Fantasy In U.S. But Works Fine Behind Old Iron Curtain - Forbes

Why has spending gone up? Couldn't be to make up for the orgy of greed that occurred on Wall St (The 1%'ers) & the collusion of rating agencies could it?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I think this "Maobamacare" thing you wingers continually harp on is based upon a false premise. I'd like for you to point out just HOW more will be spend IN AGGREGATE on U.S. healthcare than in the past--because fiscal experts and the GAO say that isn't the case at all.

Where do you get your data from?

$500 toilet seats and $300 hammers... that's where.

Past performance is a pretty good predictor of future performance...

Sorry, "soggy," but your response made no sense. You are referring to anecdotal government procurement expenditures, but Obamacare does NOT nationalize health care. It assures that everyone is insured, and that everyone pays.

Also, those expenditures you referred to are actually associated with the U.S. military system--the biggest socialist government apparatus in the world.

I'm painfully aware.... the point was that if the gubmint is involved, it will cost 10x too much and eventually go broke... bank on it.

 

[Dot Com]

Now Staph, I have been for the restoration of the Clinton tax schedule in it's entirety from the beginning. With the Buffet Rule thrown in. And the 6.2% I pay in SS taxes to go right up to the top. As an upper middle earner, I have no problem paying the extra, and during the Cliinton years, saw real economic progress for the first time in a long time. To see that kind of employment levels again would be well worth the money it would cost me personally.

Your selective memory seems to have allowed you to forget the spending controls in place back then that don't exist toady. The new taxes and more are already spent and most are forgetting the new round of taxes that are coming with Maobamacare and the fact that it is now projected to cost 3 times original estimates. The economy doesn't stand a chance in the face of all that.

I think this "Maobamacare" thing you wingers continually harp on is based upon a false premise. I'd like for you to point out just HOW more will be spend IN AGGREGATE on U.S. healthcare than in the past--because fiscal experts and the GAO say that isn't the case at all.

Where do you get your data from?

good post