Never to be forgotten

[Unkotare]

From a Japanese newspaper:


Agony endures 75 years after Nanjing Massacre ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

 

[Unkotare]

Of course, 'never to be forgotten' can mean different things...

 

[Bfgrn]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجناب&#1610 (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

 

[Againsheila]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجناب&#1610 (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?

 

[Unkotare]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...

Why do you say that (besides your obvious desire to indulge in some anti-American schadenfreude)? It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, is in no way an apt comparison, and suggests that more than one terrible event cannot be remembered.

You just wanted to be a dick, and you accomplished your goal. How thoughtful and humanitarian of you to callously use the poor girl's death to play a smirky little game. Real classy.

 

[westwall]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...

Why do you say that (besides your obvious desire to indulge in some anti-American schadenfreude)? It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, is in no way an apt comparison, and suggests that more than one terrible event cannot be remembered.

You just wanted to be a dick, and you accomplished your goal. How thoughtful and humanitarian of you to callously use the poor girl's death to play a smirky little game. Real classy.

This is bfgrn we're talking about.

 

[Bfgrn]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجناب&#1610 (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?

Spare me the propaganda. So, you are condemning the evil Japanese soldiers, and making excuses for murdering and raping American soldiers?

What about the fucking VICTIMS?

 

[Againsheila]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجناب&#1610 (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?

Spare me the propaganda. So, you are condemning the evil Japanese soldiers, and making excuses for murdering and raping American soldiers?

What about the fucking VICTIMS?

I feel for the victims. The difference you refuse to see is that the man guilty of the rape and murder of the girl in Iraq has been punished. No one was punished for what the Japanese soldiers did to the 300,000 victims in China. What about the victims?

 

[Bfgrn]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...

Why do you say that (besides your obvious desire to indulge in some anti-American schadenfreude)? It has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, is in no way an apt comparison, and suggests that more than one terrible event cannot be remembered.

You just wanted to be a dick, and you accomplished your goal. How thoughtful and humanitarian of you to callously use the poor girl's death to play a smirky little game. Real classy.

This is exactly WHY I said but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering the atrocities committed by our own soldiers. I am not anti-American, I am anti WAR.

If you want to believe in fairy tales, good guy bad/guy bullshit and wave the flag go right ahead. But educate yourself first pea brain. Read about the firebombing of Dresden, the Biscari massacre and Abu Ghraib

 

[Bfgrn]

So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?

Spare me the propaganda. So, you are condemning the evil Japanese soldiers, and making excuses for murdering and raping American soldiers?

What about the fucking VICTIMS?

I feel for the victims. The difference you refuse to see is that the man guilty of the rape and murder of the girl in Iraq has been punished. No one was punished for what the Japanese soldiers did to the 300,000 victims in China. What about the victims?

What lesson do you want me to come away with? To hate Japan?

THE lesson should be to hate WAR. It is the scourge of mankind. We as citizens need to understand that war causes these atrocities. And we as citizens don't need to cheer despot presidents when they say 'Bring 'em on'

The real lesson is that war must always be the last resort.

 

[koshergrl]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجناب&#1610 (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?

That's what he's saying.

Specifically, he's saying we deserve to be slaughtered.

 

[koshergrl]

Spare me the propaganda. So, you are condemning the evil Japanese soldiers, and making excuses for murdering and raping American soldiers?

What about the fucking VICTIMS?

I feel for the victims. The difference you refuse to see is that the man guilty of the rape and murder of the girl in Iraq has been punished. No one was punished for what the Japanese soldiers did to the 300,000 victims in China. What about the victims?

What lesson do you want me to come away with? To hate Japan?

THE lesson should be to hate WAR. It is the scourge of mankind. We as citizens need to understand that war causes these atrocities. And we as citizens don't need to cheer despot presidents when they say 'Bring 'em on'

The real lesson is that war must always be the last resort.

Rejects like you are the reasons war exists.

 

[Againsheila]

Spare me the propaganda. So, you are condemning the evil Japanese soldiers, and making excuses for murdering and raping American soldiers?

What about the fucking VICTIMS?

I feel for the victims. The difference you refuse to see is that the man guilty of the rape and murder of the girl in Iraq has been punished. No one was punished for what the Japanese soldiers did to the 300,000 victims in China. What about the victims?

What lesson do you want me to come away with? To hate Japan?

THE lesson should be to hate WAR. It is the scourge of mankind. We as citizens need to understand that war causes these atrocities. And we as citizens don't need to cheer despot presidents when they say 'Bring 'em on'

The real lesson is that war must always be the last resort.

That sure as heck isn't what I came away with from your response to the OP.

I still don't understand how you can compare one crazy guy who was caught and punished for his crimes to the Japanese soldiers and their over 300,000 victims and the fact that the Japanese soldiers were NEVER disciplined. It's like comparing an ant hill to a mountain. BTW, what the American soldier did had nothing to do with war. He just wanted to kill people, if there wasn't a war on, he would have killed them here, he was nuts.

 

[Bfgrn]

A sad story, but maybe you and other Americans would be better served remembering THIS...



Ex-U.S. soldier found guilty in Iraqi rape, deaths

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi (عبير قاسم حمزه الجناب&#1610 (February 28, 1992 - March 12, 2006) was an Iraqi girl who, at the age of 14 years, was gang-raped and murdered together with her 5-year-old sister, mother and father, in their home, by U.S. soldiers who then set fire to the building before decamping.

Abeer Qassim Hamza at the age of seven.

Abeer means "fragrance of flowers." She was 14 years old.

When four American soldiers, two dressed in Iraqi mufti and not uniforms, appeared at the Al-Janabi farmhouse on the afternoon of March 12, 2006, they were not entirely unexpected. Abeer had told her mother that some of the Americans at the checkpoint were being sexually aggressive toward her and her mother, fearing for her safety, had been making her stay home.

Among the soldiers entering the house was Private First Class Steven Green, a 21-year-old boy-man and petulant loner with a history of drug and alcohol problems and a petty criminal record back in Midland, the titular home of the Bush family in Texas oil patch country.

Green had been in Iraq for only a few weeks when he was found to have "homicidal ideations" when he was sent to an Army Combat Stress team on December 21, 2005. Nevertheless, he was sent back into combat.

In February 2006, Green matter-of-factly told a reporter for Stars & Stripes that he had come to Iraq "because I wanted to kill people" and bragged that he had "shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing. Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant. I mean, you kill somebody and it's like 'All right, let's go get some pizza'."

Green was being medicated with small doses of Seroquel, a mood-altering drug, to control his demons, and still was sent back into combat. Bravo Company's commander, Captain James Goodwin, later said that conditions were so bad and his men so numbed from months of combat that he "almost had a nervous breakdown" and had to spend a few days chilling in the Green Zone in Baghdad before resuming command of the beleaguered unit.


By March 2006, the men of Bravo Company seemed to be near the breaking point. There was bitter complaining that they were being forced to spend up to 30 days straight working and sleeping at undermanned checkpoints instead of three- to five-day rotations back to Camp Striker, their barracks in an abandoned potato processing plant that had burned the previous month, adding to the unit's reputation as a "hard-luck" outfit.

With two of Bravo Company's respected and experienced senior NCOs away on leave, Green set about planning mischief.

According to an affidavit prepared by FBI Special Agent Frank Charles and other accounts, on the evening of March 11, Green talked up the idea of going to Abeer's house and raping her. Then, on the following morning, he and several buddies played cards and got drunk on black market Iraqi whiskey, a violation of war-zone policy.

After hitting some golf balls behind the checkpoint, an intoxicated Green again brought up the idea of raping Abeer, changed into Iraqi civilian clothing and made arrangements for a buddy to monitor the radio at the checkpoint so he and his confederates could go "kill and hurt a lot of Iraqis."

Once at Abeer's house Green herded her father, mother and Hadil, her 7-year-old sister, into a bedroom. Abeer’s brothers, Ahmad and Muhammad, were at school.

Green shot the father several times in the head, the mother several times in the abdomen and the sister several times in the head and shoulder with an AK-47 that the family was legally allowed to keep in the house, proudly announcing to his buddies, "I just killed them, all are dead."
Green then turned on Abeer, whom U.S. officials initially claimed was 20 or 25. As if that justified what happened next.

Abeer's dressing gown and bra were torn from her body and her legs tied. Green and two other soldiers then took turns raping her. By the time they had finished, blood was flowing from her vagina. Green then shot Abeer in the head two or three times, threw a blanket over her torso and set her body afire in a crude effort to cover up the atrocity.

Back at the checkpoint, Green burned his blood-drenched clothing and swore everyone to secrecy.

So you are comparing a psychotic out of control person who committed an admittedly horrible crime for which he was duly punished to the systematic raping and killing of more than 300,000 people condoned by the Japanese government?

That's what he's saying.

Specifically, he's saying we deserve to be slaughtered.

No innocent people deserve to be slaughtered. Abeer Qassim Hamza and her family didn't deserve to be slaughtered. The innocent men, women and children in Iraq didn't deserve to be slaughtered. But America INVADED Iraq, Iraq didn't attack us.

 

[koshergrl]

Shut up, fuckchop. This was a thread about Pearl Harbour. Take your anti American bullshit and shove it up your ass with the rest of your belongings.

 

[Bfgrn]

I feel for the victims. The difference you refuse to see is that the man guilty of the rape and murder of the girl in Iraq has been punished. No one was punished for what the Japanese soldiers did to the 300,000 victims in China. What about the victims?

What lesson do you want me to come away with? To hate Japan?

THE lesson should be to hate WAR. It is the scourge of mankind. We as citizens need to understand that war causes these atrocities. And we as citizens don't need to cheer despot presidents when they say 'Bring 'em on'

The real lesson is that war must always be the last resort.

That sure as heck isn't what I came away with from your response to the OP.

I still don't understand how you can compare one crazy guy who was caught and punished for his crimes to the Japanese soldiers and their over 300,000 victims and the fact that the Japanese soldiers were NEVER disciplined. It's like comparing an ant hill to a mountain. BTW, what the American soldier did had nothing to do with war. He just wanted to kill people, if there wasn't a war on, he would have killed them here, he was nuts.

First of all, it wasn't just one crazy guy. There were four on them.

Second of all, you need to realize that America and her allies committed atrocities.

300,000 victims? How about a half a million in one night??

The WWII Dresden Holocaust -
'A Single Column Of Flame'

"You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr

On the evening of February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide and barbarism began against a defenseless German city, one of the greatest cultural centers of northern Europe. Within less than 14 hours not only was it reduced to flaming ruins, but an estimated one-third of its inhabitants, possibly as many as a half a million, had perished in what was the worst single event massacre of all time.

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Toward the end of World War II, as Allied planes rained death and destruction over Germany, the old Saxon city of Dresden lay like an island of tranquility amid desolation. Famous as a cultural center and possessing no military value, Dresden had been spared the terror that descended from the skies over the rest of the country.

In fact, little had been done to provide the ancient city of artists and craftsmen with anti-aircraft defenses. One squadron of planes had been stationed in Dresden for awhile, but the Luftwaffe decided to move the aircraft to another area where they would be of use. A gentlemen's agreement seemed to prevail, designating Dresden an "open city."

February 13/14 1945: Holocaust over Dresden, known as the Florence of the North. Dresden was a hospital city for wounded soldiers. Not one military unit, not one anti-aircraft battery was deployed in the city. Together with the 600.000 refugees from Breslau, Dresden was filled with nearly 1.2 million people. Churchill had asked for "suggestions how to blaze 600.000 refugees". He wasn't interested how to target military installations 60 miles outside of Dresden. More than 700.000 phosphorus bombs were dropped on 1.2 million people. One bomb for every 2 people. The temperature in the centre of the city reached 1600 o centigrade. More than 260.000 bodies and residues of bodies were counted. But those who perished in the centre of the city can't be traced. Approximately 500.000 children, women, the elderly, wounded soldiers and the animals of the zoo were slaughtered in one night.

 

[koshergrl]

Fuck off, douche.

 

[koshergrl]

Report him. If enough people report this crap, it will stop.

 

[Bfgrn]

Report him. If enough people report this crap, it will stop.

Report what? That I tell the truth?? Why don't you either go back and read Crimes Against Humanity in your signature, or take it down.

You are a phony!

"War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."
John F. Kennedy

 

[koshergrl]

Douche.