Netherlands may ban burka

[Said1]

Netherlands may ban burka

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, Oct. 13 (UPI) -- Women may be banned from wearing the traditional Islamic burka in the Netherlands, making that country the first in Europe to introduce such a tough measure.

Integration Minister Rita Verdonk, facing rising concerns about Islamic terrorism, told Parliament she will investigate where and when the traditional Muslim women's clothing should be banned, reports The Times of London.

Police fear a burka could be used to conceal a terrorist.

Verdonk warned the "time of cozy tea-drinking" with Muslim groups has passed and that natives and immigrants should have the courage to be critical of each other, the report said.

She may win approval of the plan with the backing of right-wing parties but Muslim human rights groups are outraged, the report said.

Concerns about terrorism have grown since a probe into the slaying of film-maker Theo van Gogh revealed a network of Muslim extremists dedicated to destroying the country, the report said.

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[dmp]

The gov't of the Netherlands are id-juts....(sigh).

 

[Said1]

The gov't of the Netherlands are id-juts....(sigh).

Not surprising, although makes you wonder given the amount of potenial terrorists arrested there recently.

Makes you wonder about what? The number of potential terrorist running aound Denmark.

 

[Trigg]

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Well really with all the BS England is putting up with anymore maybe the Netherlands has the right idea. I mean come on, the banks have stopped giving out piggy banks, cause they're so offensive.

 

[manu1959]

Not surprising, although makes you wonder given the amount of potenial terrorists arrested there recently.

Makes you wonder about what? The number of potential terrorist running aound Denmark.

having lived in Danmark....i would bet none...now holland (aka nederlands) i would bet quite a few

 

[USViking]

The gov't of the Netherlands are id-juts....(sigh).

Let's see how well the French ban turns out.

Anyone know anything about that?

Personally, I think requiring turbans, viels, etc is so stupid
that the requirement merits suppression- ie you can't tell
your wife, husband, children, or anyone else to wear headress.

Now, the state can't, and should not go poking into each home,
but schools are completely different- there the state can
break unrighteous authority outside the home by forbidding all headress.

So unless the French situation totally backfires, then I say let the Dutch
go in the same direction.

 

[Abbey Normal]

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I assume Muslim women would still be able to wear extremely modest clothing. It's not like they will be wearing mini-skirts and halter tops, for goodness sake. Burqas are a pathetic method for men supress and control women to an extreme. I say, you go, Netherlands. Have a huge burqa bonfire, and roast a pig over it while you're at it.

 

[Annie]

Hey, I wouldn't wear one of those things if faced with death. But that's me. I have a choice. What if the women WANT to wear that?

 

[Abbey Normal]

Hey, I wouldn't wear one of those things if faced with death. But that's me. I have a choice. What if the women WANT to wear that?

I don't know, I might like to wear one on a bad hair day. And it could be good at work- how can anyone give me more work, if they aren't sure it is me under there?

But seriously, women may like burqas like they like not being allowed to drive, and like being beaten for going out without a male escort. It isn't just the burqa, it is what it represents, and what it means in countries under Islamist rule. As we all know by now, it is part of a whole system that takes away all women's rights to make decisions for themselves. Imagine not even having the power to dress yourself as you would like. Imagine having to beg a male family member to acompany you to the store, and if he won't go, you can't go, or they will come after you with sticks and bats and beat you in public.

Even if a small percentage of these women for some inexplicable reason like to be able to only see out of a small grid of cloth in front of their eyes, and never feel the sun on their face, and like being turned into an invisible non-person, because of the power of their husbands and their mosque, they had no choice. Regardless of the country they live in.

 

[Said1]

having lived in Danmark....i would bet none...now holland (aka nederlands) i would bet quite a few

I beg to differ, there have been 4 caught within the last week.

 

[Annie]

I don't know, I might like to wear one on a bad hair day. And it could be good at work- how can anyone give me more work, if they aren't sure it is me under there?

But seriously, women may like burqas like they like not being allowed to drive, and like being beaten for going out without a male escort. It isn't just the burqa, it is what it represents, and what it means in countries under Islamist rule. As we all know by now, it is part of a whole system that takes away all women's rights to make decisions for themselves. Imagine not even having the power to dress yourself as you would like. Imagine having to beg a male family member to acompany you to the store, and if he won't go, you can't go, or they will come after you with sticks and bats and beat you in public.

Even if a small percentage of these women for some inexplicable reason like to be able to only see out of a small grid of cloth in front of their eyes, and never feel the sun on their face, and like being turned into an invisible non-person, because of the power of their husbands and their mosque, they had no choice. Regardless of the country they live in.

Ah Abbey, I would not disagree with our projections of what we think should be allowed. I'm with you. However, I've heard from too many Muslim women that 'at least' claim to like the whole burqa ensamble. I would think that they should have as much right to wear that as our teens have to wear midriffs and low cut jeans. I don't have to like it, I may find myself staring, but I'm not going to make a law about it.

 

[Said1]

Speaking of starring, my daughter is totally facinated by all types of Muslim headdresses. She thinks the women who reveal their faces look like princesses.

 

[Annie]

Speaking of starring, my daughter is totally facinated by all types of Muslim headdresses. She thinks the women who reveal their faces look like princesses.

I can see where a 7 or 8 year old would feel that way. Interesting that I've yet to hear one woman in favor of clitoral circumcision. I have heard arguments for and against driving and women out alone. I cannot imagine such a view. However, if my neighbor thinks that she or her daughter should be accompanied at all times, would I call her an 'imbecile' or another name? No.

 

[Harmageddon]

BAN THE BURKA, it has my full support.

Besides the fact that my personal view of wearing your bedsheets on your head is quite an awkward way to state your convictions, if you feel comfortable that way, I will not withold my respect for that reason alone.
But I think it is essential for our society that these imported Muslims start realizing that if they want to live here, they shall have to adapt to our laws.

And our laws are quite clear on the subject; you may wear whatever you like at home, be it your bedsheets or only one sock, whatever - it's a free country. But once you go out into the streets, there are certain ways you are not allowed to dress.

For instance, wearing a mask that covers your entire face is not an option in public buildings, such as banks, libraries, hospitals and schools. I feel personally that the French have taken it a bit too far, with their ban on the headscarf or whatever it's called. But to wear a burka that hardly shows your eyes, cannot be tolerated in our country; criminals and Muslims would be impossible to distuinguish from one another in a bank for example.
Can you tell the difference? Muslim Robber

That's the way our country works. And when a Muslim from wherever wishes to live here, he or she should realize that before he or she decides to live here. It's only a matter of a little education on the subject of the country you prefer to live in; sadly, this seems too hard for most people.

 

[Annie]

BAN THE BURKA, it has my full support.

Besides the fact that my personal view of wearing your bedsheets on your head is quite an awkward way to state your convictions, if you feel comfortable that way, I will not withold my respect for that reason alone.
But I think it is essential for our society that these imported Muslims start realizing that if they want to live here, they shall have to adapt to our laws.

And our laws are quite clear on the subject; you may wear whatever you like at home, be it your bedsheets or only one sock, whatever - it's a free country. But once you go out into the streets, there are certain ways you are not allowed to dress.

For instance, wearing a mask that covers your entire face is not an option in public buildings, such as banks, libraries, hospitals and schools. I feel personally that the French have taken it a bit too far, with their ban on the headscarf or whatever it's called. But to wear a burka that hardly shows your eyes, cannot be tolerated in our country; criminals and Muslims would be impossible to distuinguish from one another in a bank for example.
Can you tell the difference? Muslim Robber

That's the way our country works. And when a Muslim from wherever wishes to live here, he or she should realize that before he or she decides to live here. It's only a matter of a little education on the subject of the country you prefer to live in; sadly, this seems too hard for most people.

Not too mention unconstitutional. Ban tatoos, navel piercings, having to look at navels, jeans falling off of rear ends, green hair, pink hair, nose piercings, mohawks, etc. Get real.

 

[Harmageddon]

Originally posted by Kathianne:
Not too mention unconstitutional. Ban tatoos, navel piercings, having to look at navels, jeans falling off of rear ends, green hair, pink hair, nose piercings, mohawks, etc. Get real.

Are you trying to convince yourself to get real?
Come on Kathianne, a ban on burka's or other things that disguise your entire identity is something else entirely than a ban on jewelry and other ornaments.
You are a teacher, you should be able to make the distinction.

 

[Annie]

Are you trying to convince yourself to get real?
Come on Kathianne, a ban on burka's or other things that disguise your entire identity is something else entirely than a ban on jewelry and other ornaments.
You are a teacher, you should be able to make the distinction.

To remove it for a driver's ID, yes. Ban it, no. In France and I believe the Netherlands, they are not speaking of the burqua, which does hide one's identity, but the hajib. Difference you know.

 

[Harmageddon]

Originally posted by Kathianne:
To remove it for a driver's ID, yes. Ban it, no. In France and I believe the Netherlands, they are not speaking of the burqua, which does hide one's identity, but the hajib. Difference you know.

I realize there is a difference, but like I said, in the Netherlands it is the burqua which is to be forbidden in public buildings, because it covers the entire face of the individual wearing it. A hajib, which does not cover the entire face of the individual wearing it, but seems more like a headscarf, may be what is forbidden in France; like I said, that seems an unnessecary provocative move by the French government.

 

[Zebra]

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I assume Muslim women would still be able to wear extremely modest clothing. It's not like they will be wearing mini-skirts and halter tops, for goodness sake. Burqas are a pathetic method for men supress and control women to an extreme. I say, you go, Netherlands. Have a huge burqa bonfire, and roast a pig over it while you're at it.

i agree