Netanyahu Seeks Gains From Iran Deal Battle He Knows Is Lost

[Penelope]

No, not at all. they have plenty of weapons.

And intelligence that is needed by the US, so knowing 24 hours in advance that Saudi are going to cut oil production gives the US a jump start on the rest of the world.

they
dont need Israel for that anymore, strike one

Esp. what Trump said today about SA and their oil. They should be paying us!

 

[fanger]

Deep beneath desert sands, an embattled Middle Eastern state has built a covert nuclear bomb, using technology and materials provided by friendly powers or stolen by a clandestine network of agents. It is the stuff of pulp thrillers and the sort of narrative often used to characterise the worst fears about the Iranian nuclear programme. In reality, though, neither US nor British intelligence believe Tehran has decided to build a bomb, and Iran's atomic projects are under constant international monitoring.

The exotic tale of the bomb hidden in the desert is a true story, though. It's just one that applies to another country. In an extraordinary feat of subterfuge, Israel managed to assemble an entire underground nuclear arsenal – now estimated at 80 warheads, on a par with India and Pakistan – and even tested a bomb nearly half a century ago, with a minimum of international outcry or even much public awareness of what it was doing.

Despite the fact that the Israel's nuclear programme has been an open secret since a disgruntled technician, Mordechai Vanunu, blew the whistle on it in 1986, the official Israeli position is still never to confirm or deny its existence.

When the former speaker of the Knesset, Avraham Burg, broke the taboo last month, declaring Israeli possession of both nuclear and chemical weapons and describing the official non-disclosure policy as "outdated and childish" a rightwing group formally called for a police investigation for treason.

Meanwhile, western governments have played along with the policy of "opacity" by avoiding all mention of the issue. In 2009, when a veteran Washington reporter, Helen Thomas, asked Barack Obama in the first month of his presidency if he knew of any country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons, he dodged the trapdoor by saying only that he did not wish to "speculate".

UK governments have generally followed suit. Asked in the House of Lords in November about Israeli nuclear weapons, Baroness Warsi answered tangentially. "Israel has not declared a nuclear weapons programme. We have regular discussions with the government of Israel on a range of nuclear-related issues," the minister said. "The government of Israel is in no doubt as to our views. We encourage Israel to become a state party to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty [NPT]."

But through the cracks in this stone wall, more and more details continue to emerge of how Israel built its nuclear weapons from smuggled parts and pilfered technology.

The tale serves as a historical counterpoint to today's drawn-out struggle over Iran's nuclear ambitions. The parallels are not exact – Israel, unlike Iran, never signed up to the 1968 NPT so could not violate it. But it almost certainly broke a treaty banning nuclear tests, as well as countless national and international laws restricting the traffic in nuclear materials and technology.

The list of nations that secretly sold Israel the material and expertise to make nuclear warheads, or who turned a blind eye to its theft, include today's staunchest campaigners against proliferation: the US, France, Germany, Britain and even Norway.
The truth about Israel s secret nuclear arsenal World news The Guardian

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is redundant to US needs

The US does not think so or it would have pulled the plug tears ago.

 

[Phoenall]

No, not at all. they have plenty of weapons.

And intelligence that is needed by the US, so knowing 24 hours in advance that Saudi are going to cut oil production gives the US a jump start on the rest of the world.

they
dont need Israel for that anymore, strike one

Then where will they get on the ground details from then ?

 

[Phoenall]

No, not at all. they have plenty of weapons.

And intelligence that is needed by the US, so knowing 24 hours in advance that Saudi are going to cut oil production gives the US a jump start on the rest of the world.

they
dont need Israel for that anymore, strike one

Esp. what Trump said today about SA and their oil. They should be paying us!

It is OPEC countries that set the price of oil and they can hold the world to ransom. Simply by cutting back on production they can bring the west to a standstill, let them put the price up and you will pay twice the price rise on the garage forecourt .Invade and the wells will be blown just as Saddam did in Kuwait, and that will cost more than the price increases. The west is reliant on M.E. oil and don't be fooled into thinking otherwise, the UK wells are capped because it costs too much to extract with the prices so low.

 

[fanger]

America buys oil in exchange for pieces of paper printed with ink and is keeping it's own oil for a later date

 

[Phoenall]

America buys oil in exchange for pieces of paper printed with ink and is keeping it's own oil for a later date

It buys oil on the promises of its gold reserves, and the arab's value gold more than they value paper

 

[FA_Q2]

Of course Israel uses us - otherwise they would not have a relationship with us. What they get out of the deal is influence on the world stage and realistic defense - something that they cannot achieve on their own. They need access to our technology.

Don't mistake this as a one sided deal though. I would state that we get FAR FAR more than we put in. It is Israelis that die keeping our influence in that area and projecting our agenda, NOT Americans.

And Palestinians die more,I think the ratio is 10% Israeli Deaths to 90% Palestinian...so my point is.....do the Israelis really need a Gun that shoots around corners.Answer NO..steven

That is irrelevant.

It has nothing to do with the fact that the US fosters relations with Israel.