Netanyahu: If you take out Saddam, I guarantee it will have enormous positive reverberations on the

[Lakhota]

‘Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims’

A lot of people are passing around this amazing testimony before Congress two weeks back by former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, in which he says that the reason that Muslims want to become jihadis is not who we are but our foreign policy.

Americans need to have a debate at last about whether supporting Israel is essential to US security, or having troops in Muslim countries is essential, or supporting Saudi Arabia is essential, Scheuer argues. If the people want to believe that, “fine.” But they should know that “costs come with that.”

Much More: Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims -- Scheuer to Congress



I agree!

 

[Capstone]

‘Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims’

A lot of people are passing around this amazing testimony before Congress two weeks back by former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer, in which he says that the reason that Muslims want to become jihadis is not who we are but our foreign policy.

Americans need to have a debate at last about whether supporting Israel is essential to US security, or having troops in Muslim countries is essential, or supporting Saudi Arabia is essential, Scheuer argues. If the people want to believe that, “fine.” But they should know that “costs come with that.”

Much More: Our relationship to Israel causes dead Americans and enormous expense in fighting Muslims -- Scheuer to Congress



I agree!

Agreement is one thing; the solution is another.

Problem is: our country is loaded with delusional evangelicals...for whom no price is too high.

 

[Lakhota]

Why should an Israeli Jew like Nutanyahoo be allowed to influence how America conducts its foreign policy in the Middle East?

 

[Capstone]

Why should an Israeli Jew like Nutanyahoo be allowed to influence how America conducts its foreign policy in the Middle East?

Maybe the better question would be: why have individuals with a certain brand of dual citizenship been allowed to shape US foreign policy for decades?

 

[Staidhup]

FYI American Foreign Policy originates within the state department, not the CIA, nor executive branch. Information provided by all parties of interest contribute to the development of foreign policy initiatives and positions which are then adopted or ignored by the President then directed to be carried out by the Secretary of State at the discretion of the President.
Israel nor any ally dictates US Foreign Policy. The question as to if their concerns are noted is valid and taken into consideration in the development of a position paper.
We are all aware of the disdain the left has for Israel and position espoused that if only Israel would simply capitulate to the demands put forth there would be peace in the Mid East. Yet this has not been proven to be the case and fact remains that the total destruction and annihilation of Israel and the Jewish faith remains the only objective. Appeasement is not the path toward peace.

 

[Capstone]

Here's an article by James Petras, in which he describes, among other things, how Israel essentially controls all US policies concerning its interests.

An excerpt (relevant portions highlighted):

"Alone, Israel’s ‘war’ with Iran would not amount to much more than its cyber sabotage, the periodical assassinations of Iranian scientists using its paid agents among Iranian terrorist groups and non-stop brow-beating from Israeli politicians and their ‘amen crowd’. Outside of Israel , this campaign has had little impact on public opinion. Israel’s ‘wa[r]’ on Iran depends exclusively on its capacity to manipulate US policy using its local agents and groups who dominate the US Congress and through the appointments of officials in key positions in the Departments of Treasury, Commerce, and Justice , and as Middle East ‘advisors’. Israel cannot organize an effective sanction campaign against Iran ; nor could it influence any major power to abide by such a campaign. Only the US has that power. Israel ’s dominance in the Middle East comes entirely from its capacity to mobilize its proxies in the United States who are assigned the task of securing total submission to Israel ’s interests from elected and appointed government officials – especially in regard to Israel ’s regional adversaries.

Strategically placed, ‘dual US-Israeli citizens’ have used their US citizenship to secure high security positions in the Government directly involved in policies affecting Israel . As Israelis, their activities are in line with the dictates of Tel Aviv. In the Bush administration (2001-2008) high placed ‘Israel Firsters’ dominated the Pentagon (Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith), Middle East Security (Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross), the Vice President’s office (‘Scooter’ Libby), Treasury (Levey) and Homeland Security (Michael Chertoff). In the Obama administration the ‘Israel Firsters’ [have included] Dennis Ross, Rahm Emanuel, David Cohen, Secretary of Treasury Jack “Jake the Snake” Lew, Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker and Michael Froman as Trade Representative among others."

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Until a critical mass of Americans (yes, especially clueless pro-Zionist evangelicals) wakes up to what's been going on for far too long right in front of our eyes, our country will continue on its current path to dissolution (which seems to be the end game of a globalist agenda in which Zionism is only one facet).

 

[Capstone]

Oh, and before some assclown chimes in with another "Heinrich" remark, try replacing the words "Israel" and "Zionism" with "Russia" and "communism" in order to see the true nature of my criticism. This isn't about anti-Semitism; it's about a recognition of the fact that our government has been infiltrated and virtually taken over by a foreign country and its interests.

 

[Penelope]

That was true. When Netanyahu made that statement no one knew that America would next be led by someone as thoroughly evil as barack insane obama.

Obama lost the Iraq war and will lose the Afghan War. Iran is about to build the Bomb. He's a fucking disaster. The red line in the sand gave the world ISIS because the coward didnt back it up.

Blame it on Obama , when it was the Bush Admin. Some of you sound like you want continuous war and policing of other countries. Iraq is like it is do to the Zionist and Neocons. Put the blame where it belongs.

 

[Penelope]

Oh, and before some assclown chimes in with another "Heinrich" remark, try replacing the words "Israel" and "Zionism" with "Russia" and "communism" in order to see the true nature of my criticism. This isn't about anti-Semitism; it's about a recognition of the fact that our government has been infiltrated and virtually taken over by a foreign country and its interests.

thank you for your posts.

 

[ogibillm]

We see the Democrat tools has been given their marching orders

Tear down and go out to DESTROY one of closest allies.

What makes bibi our ally? is it that he too ignores credible intelligence about wmd programs in order to push war?

 

[Disir]

We see the Democrat tools has been given their marching orders

Tear down and go out to DESTROY one of closest allies.

What makes Israel an ally? How many Israelis died fighting in the Iraq war that Netanyahu was so eager to see Americans die in?

How fucking stupid are you? America asked Israel NOT to take part. They were all set to do it. Bush was afraid of offending the Muslim allies.
Israel is an ally because it is the only democracy in the middle east, the only place where minorities have rights.

Like I said, Americans died for Israel. Israelis don't die for America.

This is an empire. Israel is a client state. Not the other way around. Munitions are stored in Israel.

 

[The Rabbi]

Here's an article by James Petras, in which he describes, among other things, how Israel essentially controls all US policies concerning its interests.

An excerpt (relevant portions highlighted):

"Alone, Israel’s ‘war’ with Iran would not amount to much more than its cyber sabotage, the periodical assassinations of Iranian scientists using its paid agents among Iranian terrorist groups and non-stop brow-beating from Israeli politicians and their ‘amen crowd’. Outside of Israel , this campaign has had little impact on public opinion. Israel’s ‘wa[r]’ on Iran depends exclusively on its capacity to manipulate US policy using its local agents and groups who dominate the US Congress and through the appointments of officials in key positions in the Departments of Treasury, Commerce, and Justice , and as Middle East ‘advisors’. Israel cannot organize an effective sanction campaign against Iran ; nor could it influence any major power to abide by such a campaign. Only the US has that power. Israel ’s dominance in the Middle East comes entirely from its capacity to mobilize its proxies in the United States who are assigned the task of securing total submission to Israel ’s interests from elected and appointed government officials – especially in regard to Israel ’s regional adversaries.

Strategically placed, ‘dual US-Israeli citizens’ have used their US citizenship to secure high security positions in the Government directly involved in policies affecting Israel . As Israelis, their activities are in line with the dictates of Tel Aviv. In the Bush administration (2001-2008) high placed ‘Israel Firsters’ dominated the Pentagon (Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith), Middle East Security (Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross), the Vice President’s office (‘Scooter’ Libby), Treasury (Levey) and Homeland Security (Michael Chertoff). In the Obama administration the ‘Israel Firsters’ [have included] Dennis Ross, Rahm Emanuel, David Cohen, Secretary of Treasury Jack “Jake the Snake” Lew, Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker and Michael Froman as Trade Representative among others."

-------------------------

Until a critical mass of Americans (yes, especially clueless pro-Zionist evangelicals) wakes up to what's been going on for far too long right in front of our eyes, our country will continue on its current path to dissolution (which seems to be the end game of a globalist agenda in which Zionism is only one facet).

Its the worldwide Zionist conspiracy!

What is t about this site that consistently brings out the ignorant joo-haters?

 

[Capstone]

...What is t about this site that consistently brings out the ignorant joo-haters?

What is it about this site that consistently brings out the overplayed anti-Semite card against legitimate criticism of US foreign policy concernng Israel and the objectively verifiable means by which it's been shaped over recent decades regardless of the dominant party affiliation in power at any point during that time?

As always, despite the fact that my objections are aimed squarely at the glaringly obvious conflicts of interest in US foreign policy-making, the common (and only) retort is the baseless assertion that I'm towing the line of the "ignorant joo-haters".

 

[The Rabbi]

...What is t about this site that consistently brings out the ignorant joo-haters?

What is it about this site that consistently brings out the overplayed anti-Semite card against legitimate criticism of US foreign policy concernng Israel and the objectively verifiable means by which it's been shaped over recent decades regardless of the dominant party affiliation in power at any point during that time?

As always, despite the fact that my objections are aimed squarely at the glaringly obvious conflicts of interest in US foreign policy-making, the common (and only) retort is the baseless assertion that I'm towing the line of the "ignorant joo-haters".

It's broguht out because it's true. People criticize the foreign aid the US gives Israel. But the same people are totally silent when its pointed out the US gives MORE money to Egypt, Jordan, and Lebabon.
It's stuff like that that tells me this isnt legitimate criticism of Israel (and there is such a thing). Rather it's a "get the joos" mentality.
Oh yeah, and you know they're really nuts when they start trotting out the "Israel conspiracy" theories, that Rahm Emmanuel, Paul Wolfowitz, and Henry Kissinger are all agents for Israel since they're all Jews.

 

[Capstone]

It's broguht out because it's true. People criticize the foreign aid the US gives Israel. But the same people are totally silent when its pointed out the US gives MORE money to Egypt, Jordan, and Lebabon.
It's stuff like that that tells me this isnt legitimate criticism of Israel (and there is such a thing). Rather it's a "get the joos" mentality. ...

#1: Appealing to the silence of one's opponents (yes, even on peripheral issues) is widely acknowledged as fallacious. That's Logic 101, TR. I could just as easily accuse you of a host of beliefs you don't hold, simply by pointing out that you've never explicitly denounced them.

#2: Since US foreign aid to the other countries you've mentioned has invariably been granted with preconditions favorable to the Zionist agenda, you're essentially supporting my argument by bringing it up in here.

...Oh yeah, and you know they're really nuts when they start trotting out the "Israel conspiracy" theories, that Rahm Emmanuel, Paul Wolfowitz, and Henry Kissinger are all agents for Israel since they're all Jews.

And, like clock-work, out comes the other overplayed card -- "INSANITY!".

The criticism I've raised in here hasn't been based on the Jewishness of certain individuals in government; it's been explicitly based on their statuses as dual US-Israeli citizens, and even then only in the context of the positions they've occupied and/or currently occupy, all of which fully jusify public concerns of potential conflicts of interest. Your sneaky attempt to broaden the scope of this criticism speaks volumes about your personal approach to the topic.