Neil Armstrong and Ex Apollo Astronauts Blasts Obama's Space Plan: Read their Letter

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    They are true Heroes of Americas once proud Space Administration that the world envied. They are right that Obama wants to subvert us to a 2ND or 3rd rate country unable to achieve manned spaceflight while we will have to catch a ride with the Russians to get into Space and to the Space Station. We will no longer be able to go into orbit to repair Hubble or other Satellites we depend on which is ludicrous. No America needs to take the lead and be number one in Spaceflight and we need to Weaponize space so we can not allow sub orbital missile attacks on the USA from China, Russia or other rogue countries. Obama is taking NASA in a backwards direction as Russia and China move forward with their programs to take the lead. Armstrong and the other Astronauts recognize this mistake.

    Here is Armstrong's letter:

    Armstrong: Obama NASA plan 'devastating' - Nightly News- msnbc.com

    The United States entered into the challenge of space exploration under President Eisenhower’s first term, however, it was the Soviet Union who excelled in those early years. Under the bold vision of Presidents Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon, and with the overwhelming approval of the American people, we rapidly closed the gap in the final third; of the 20th century, and became the world leader in space exploration.

    America’s space accomplishments earned the respect and admiration of the world. Science probes were unlocking the secrets of the cosmos; space technology was providing instantaneous worldwide communication; orbital sentinels were helping man understand the vagaries of nature. Above all else, the people around the world were inspired by the human exploration of space and the expanding of man’s frontier. It suggested that what had been thought to be impossible was now within reach. Students were inspired to prepare themselves to be a part of this new age. No government program in modern history has been so effective in motivating the young to do “what has never been done before.”

    World leadership in space was not achieved easily. In the first half-century of the space age, our country made a significant financial investment, thousands of Americans dedicated themselves to the effort, and some gave their lives to achieve the dream of a nation. In the latter part of the first half century of the space age, Americans and their international partners focused primarily on exploiting the near frontiers of space with the Space Shuttle and the International Space Station.

    As a result of the tragic loss of the Space Shuttle Columbia in 2003, it was concluded that our space policy required a new strategic vision. Extensive studies and analysis led to this new mandate: meet our existing commitments, return to our exploration roots, return to the moon, and prepare to venture further outward to the asteroids and to Mars. The program was named "Constellation." In the ensuing years, this plan was endorsed by two Presidents of different parties and approved by both Democratic and Republican congresses.

    The Columbia Accident Board had given NASA a number of recommendations fundamental to the Constellation architecture which were duly incorporated. The Ares rocket family was patterned after the Von Braun Modular concept so essential to the success of the Saturn 1B and the Saturn 5. A number of components in the Ares 1 rocket would become the foundation of the very large heavy lift Ares V, thus reducing the total development costs substantially. After the Ares 1 becomes operational, the only major new components necessary for the Ares V would be the larger propellant tanks to support the heavy lift requirements.

    The design and the production of the flight components and infrastructure to implement this vision was well underway. Detailed planning of all the major sectors of the program had begun. Enthusiasm within NASA and throughout the country was very high.

    When President Obama recently released his budget for NASA, he proposed a slight increase in total funding, substantial research and technology development, an extension of the International Space Station operation until 2020, long range planning for a new but undefined heavy lift rocket and significant funding for the development of commercial access to low earth orbit.

    Although some of these proposals have merit, the accompanying decision to cancel the Constellation program, its Ares 1 and Ares V rockets, and the Orion spacecraft, is devastating.

    America’s only path to low Earth orbit and the International Space Station will now be subject to an agreement with Russia to purchase space on their Soyuz (at a price of over 50 million dollars per seat with significant increases expected in the near future) until we have the capacity to provide transportation for ourselves. The availability of a commercial transport to orbit as envisioned in the President’s proposal cannot be predicted with any certainty, but is likely to take substantially longer and be more expensive than we would hope.

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    So you're saying that you don't trust private industry to be more efficient in spending funds than big government?

    Because that's what this letter is essentially saying. I'm sorry, love Armstrong, cool ass American hero, but NASA has absolutely fucked up. Most nations space programs fail (or are nonexistent, or just use American/Russian technology), largely because outside of competition between nations, there's no REAL impetus for a government agency to make the most efficient use of its resources.

    To the Moon? At Least Mars Row 2, Seat 4

    From FOX NEWS (so there won't be any quibbles):

    Now when the damn government is willing to publicly admit your over budget and behind time frame, I think it's time to give it over to the professionals. Reagan new this when he signed his Commercial Space Act, and HW Bush knew it too when he signed whatever act it was that forced NASA to buy launch services from private enterprise whenever possible.

    NASA has a significant role in our nation, but it shouldn't be to just waste all of our money. On top of that, they just got a massive increase of nearly two BILLION dollars.
     
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    Yeah, how dare we try to save some money by cutting things we don't need. Not that we're really going to cut any funding to NASA.
     
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    I think it is time to start shopping for a "rest" home.
     
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    Hmmm. *gesturing as if a balance is in my hands* Paying for 'universal' health care or paying for the advancement of science. The latter weighs heavily to me, but I'm not a Democrat.
     
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    We can't afford either.
     
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    So you would rather pay to send a shuttle to a planet, that we really don't NEED to go to, than help out your fellow man?

    Wow, that is awesome.
     
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    Well, I don't usually answer disingenuous questions, but you're pretty cool in my book, so I'll explain. As many in the space program have already said, the advancement of science in the NASA program will be gravely affected by the discontinuation of manned flights. That is a shame in my book, but I am quite partial to the advancement of science. So, that addresses your description of the shuttle program.

    With respect to your description of the 'universal' health care as 'helping my fellow man': I look at what we had as more than adequate in helping my fellow man, especially after seeing sick folks sleeping on the sidewalks in other countries (just got back from a traveling). What we had was not perfect; what we have is ridiculous in cost compared to any alleged improvements - diminishing returns and all that.
     
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    Except that there's no reason to go back to the moon with people. Machines can do everything we need them to do up there and more.

    I too would like to see a return to American investment in science and innovation, but manned mooned missions aren't the way to do it. These private firms can continue to make innovations until the next big "thing" in space travel occurs, at which point NASA can use the aggregated data and exploit that to their fullest advantage.

    In the meantime, we can use that funding to strengthen emerging technologies like biotech, nanotech, and viable alternative energy options - like the Travelling Wave Reactor that Gates is putting funding into.
     
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    Apparently the fact that the advancement of science will be gravely affected with the discontinuation of manned flights is a foreign concept to you.
     

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