Negation talks

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi_0lTKPttM&feature=fvsr]Negation talks - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hossfly]

Negation talks - YouTube

2 year old video talking about excluding Hamas from talks.

~"We don't negotiate with terrorists."
Netanyahu

 

[P F Tinmore]

Negation talks - YouTube

2 year old video talking about excluding Hamas from talks.

~"We don't negotiate with terrorists."
Netanyahu

It figures that Nutandyahoo would play the terrorist card. That has always been the cornerstone of Israel's propaganda campaign.

 

[Roudy]

I'm beginning to get the impression that Tinmore is a paid spokesperson for Hamas. Does Homeland Security know about this guy?

Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries that consider Hamas, TERRORIST

Australia : The military wing of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, is listed as a terrorist organization.[334]

Canada: Lists Hamas as a terrorist group in the Canadian Criminal Code.[335][336]

European Union:: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[47] Hamas has been included in the black list of EU-designated terrorists groups since 2003[8]

Israel: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Hamas maintains a terrorist infrastructure in Gaza and the West Bank, and acts to carry out terrorist attacks in the territories and Israel."[337]

Japan: Stated in 2005 that it had frozen the assets of "terrorist organizations, including... Hamas."[12][338]

Jordan: Banned Hamas in 1999[339]

United Kingdom: Hamas as a whole was designated a terrorist organization by the UK Government in 2003 with no distinction made between its military and non-military wings.[345]

United States: Lists Hamas as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization"[346]

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm beginning to get the impression that Tinmore is a paid spokesperson for Hamas. Does Homeland Security know about this guy?

Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries that consider Hamas, TERRORIST

Australia : The military wing of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, is listed as a terrorist organization.[334]

Canada: Lists Hamas as a terrorist group in the Canadian Criminal Code.[335][336]

European Union:: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[47] Hamas has been included in the black list of EU-designated terrorists groups since 2003[8]

Israel: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Hamas maintains a terrorist infrastructure in Gaza and the West Bank, and acts to carry out terrorist attacks in the territories and Israel."[337]

Japan: Stated in 2005 that it had frozen the assets of "terrorist organizations, including... Hamas."[12][338]

Jordan: Banned Hamas in 1999[339]

United Kingdom: Hamas as a whole was designated a terrorist organization by the UK Government in 2003 with no distinction made between its military and non-military wings.[345]

United States: Lists Hamas as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization"[346]

That is about 30 countries out of almost 200 in the world.

Hardly a worldwide consensus. The terrorist designation is based on political opinion not fact.

 

[Roudy]

I'm beginning to get the impression that Tinmore is a paid spokesperson for Hamas. Does Homeland Security know about this guy?

Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries that consider Hamas, TERRORIST

Australia : The military wing of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, is listed as a terrorist organization.[334]

Canada: Lists Hamas as a terrorist group in the Canadian Criminal Code.[335][336]

European Union:: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[47] Hamas has been included in the black list of EU-designated terrorists groups since 2003[8]

Israel: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Hamas maintains a terrorist infrastructure in Gaza and the West Bank, and acts to carry out terrorist attacks in the territories and Israel."[337]

Japan: Stated in 2005 that it had frozen the assets of "terrorist organizations, including... Hamas."[12][338]

Jordan: Banned Hamas in 1999[339]

United Kingdom: Hamas as a whole was designated a terrorist organization by the UK Government in 2003 with no distinction made between its military and non-military wings.[345]

United States: Lists Hamas as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization"[346]

That is about 30 countries out of almost 200 in the world.

Hardly a worldwide consensus. The terrorist designation is based on political opinion not fact.

But only in your dreams, terrorist designation is based on the actions of a group, moron.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm beginning to get the impression that Tinmore is a paid spokesperson for Hamas. Does Homeland Security know about this guy?

Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries that consider Hamas, TERRORIST

Australia : The military wing of Hamas, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, is listed as a terrorist organization.[334]

Canada: Lists Hamas as a terrorist group in the Canadian Criminal Code.[335][336]

European Union:: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[47] Hamas has been included in the black list of EU-designated terrorists groups since 2003[8]

Israel: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Hamas maintains a terrorist infrastructure in Gaza and the West Bank, and acts to carry out terrorist attacks in the territories and Israel."[337]

Japan: Stated in 2005 that it had frozen the assets of "terrorist organizations, including... Hamas."[12][338]

Jordan: Banned Hamas in 1999[339]

United Kingdom: Hamas as a whole was designated a terrorist organization by the UK Government in 2003 with no distinction made between its military and non-military wings.[345]

United States: Lists Hamas as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization"[346]

That is about 30 countries out of almost 200 in the world.

Hardly a worldwide consensus. The terrorist designation is based on political opinion not fact.

But only in your dreams, terrorist designation is based on the actions of a group, moron.

If that phony designation was based on fact, virtually every country would be on the same page. But only a few are on that page.

 

[docmauser1]

If that phony designation was based on fact, virtually every country would be on the same page. But only a few are on that page.

Yeah! Fatwa-fatwa!

 

[Roudy]

That is about 30 countries out of almost 200 in the world.

Hardly a worldwide consensus. The terrorist designation is based on political opinion not fact.

But only in your dreams, terrorist designation is based on the actions of a group, moron.

If that phony designation was based on fact, virtually every country would be on the same page. But only a few are on that page.

Phony? Nah. They are savage animals and barbarians.

 

[Roudy]

If that phony designation was based on fact, virtually every country would be on the same page. But only a few are on that page.

Yeah! Fatwa-fatwa!

Ha ha ha! You da man!

 

[Lipush]

Negation talks - YouTube

2 year old video talking about excluding Hamas from talks.

~"We don't negotiate with terrorists."
Netanyahu

It figures that Nutandyahoo would play the terrorist card. That has always been the cornerstone of Israel's propaganda campaign.

We don't talk with an organization that want to destroy us.

Why don't you americans negotiate with Al Quaeda and tell us how that's going on for you

 

[P F Tinmore]

2 year old video talking about excluding Hamas from talks.

~"We don't negotiate with terrorists."
Netanyahu

It figures that Nutandyahoo would play the terrorist card. That has always been the cornerstone of Israel's propaganda campaign.

We don't talk with an organization that want to destroy us.

Why don't you americans negotiate with Al Quaeda and tell us how that's going on for you

So, what do you think about the issues presented in the video?

 

[Lipush]

It figures that Nutandyahoo would play the terrorist card. That has always been the cornerstone of Israel's propaganda campaign.

We don't talk with an organization that want to destroy us.

Why don't you americans negotiate with Al Quaeda and tell us how that's going on for you

So, what do you think about the issues presented in the video?

That it's nonsense.

Again people expect Israel to budge without any promising that security will reach it, and without dealing with issues like threats of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc.

"No need to talk" this conflict? I am glad we have found out what we DON'T need to do.

Pressure on our people won't bring results, as long as its doesn't do anything for heling or considering the Israeli side. We want security. We want the fanatic parties in the Palestinian side to lay down it's will of Israel's destruction.

People can take Oslo 93 and shove it. it doesn't worth the paper its written on. Oslo is dead.

Bring out some real solution.

 

[P F Tinmore]

We don't talk with an organization that want to destroy us.

Why don't you americans negotiate with Al Quaeda and tell us how that's going on for you

So, what do you think about the issues presented in the video?

That it's nonsense.

Again people expect Israel to budge without any promising that security will reach it, and without dealing with issues like threats of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc.

"No need to talk" this conflict? I am glad we have found out what we DON'T need to do.

Pressure on our people won't bring results, as long as its doesn't do anything for heling or considering the Israeli side. We want security. We want the fanatic parties in the Palestinian side to lay down it's will of Israel's destruction.

People can take Oslo 93 and shove it. it doesn't worth the paper its written on. Oslo is dead.

Bring out some real solution.

You tend to ignore the fact that it is Israel that is occupying Palestine.

I have to agree with you that Oslo was crap.

 

[Roudy]

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

Foreign Terrorist Organizations

BUREAU OF COUNTERTERRORISM
January 27, 2012

Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) are foreign organizations that are designated by the Secretary of State in accordance with section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), as amended. FTO designations play a critical role in our fight against terrorism and are an effective means of curtailing support for terrorist activities and pressuring groups to get out of the terrorism business.

Identification
The Bureau of Counterterrorism in the State Department (S/CT) continually monitors the activities of terrorist groups active around the world to identify potential targets for designation. When reviewing potential targets, S/CT looks not only at the actual terrorist attacks that a group has carried out, but also at whether the group has engaged in planning and preparations for possible future acts of terrorism or retains the capability and intent to carry out such acts.

Designation
Once a target is identified, S/CT prepares a detailed "administrative record," which is a compilation of information, typically including both classified and open sources information, demonstrating that the statutory criteria for designation have been satisfied. If the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Attorney General and the Secretary of the Treasury, decides to make the designation, Congress is notified of the Secretary’s intent to designate the organization and given seven days to review the designation, as the INA requires. Upon the expiration of the seven-day waiting period and in the absence of Congressional action to block the designation, notice of the designation is published in the Federal Register, at which point the designation takes effect. By law an organization designated as an FTO may seek judicial review of the designation in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit not later than 30 days after the designation is published in the Federal Register.

Until recently the INA provided that FTOs must be redesignated every 2 years or the designation would lapse. Under the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (IRTPA), however, the redesignation requirement was replaced by certain review and revocation procedures. IRTPA provides that an FTO may file a petition for revocation 2 years after its designation date (or in the case of redesignated FTOs, its most recent redesignation date) or 2 years after the determination date on its most recent petition for revocation. In order to provide a basis for revocation, the petitioning FTO must provide evidence that the circumstances forming the basis for the designation are sufficiently different as to warrant revocation. If no such review has been conducted during a 5 year period with respect to a designation, then the Secretary of State is required to review the designation to determine whether revocation would be appropriate. In addition, the Secretary of State may at any time revoke a designation upon a finding that the circumstances forming the basis for the designation have changed in such a manner as to warrant revocation, or that the national security of the United States warrants a revocation. The same procedural requirements apply to revocations made by the Secretary of State as apply to designations. A designation may be revoked by an Act of Congress, or set aside by a Court order.

Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.
The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.
The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.
Legal Ramifications of Designation

It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as " any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’
Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).
Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
Other Effects of Designation

Supports our efforts to curb terrorism financing and to encourage other nations to do the same.
Stigmatizes and isolates designated terrorist organizations internationally.
Deters donations or contributions to and economic transactions with named organizations.
Heightens public awareness and knowledge of terrorist organizations.
Signals to other governments our concern about named organizations.


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[Roudy]

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2011/09/173352.htm

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Media Note
Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
September 22, 2011

The State Department has designated Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma’il Abu Ghazala under E.O. 13224, which targets terrorists and those providing support to terrorists or acts of terrorism. This action will help stem the flow of finances to Abu Ghazala by prohibiting U.S. persons from engaging in transactions with him and freezing any assets he may have under U.S. jurisdiction.

Abu Ghazala is a HAMAS operative. In addition to his involvement with HAMAS, he has links to Iran, the world’s leading State Sponsor of Terrorism, and al-Qa’ida. He is an improvised explosive device (IED) facilitator with connections to multiple IED networks throughout northern Iraq and is also responsible for disseminating numerous remote detonation device designs used by former regime elements and terror organizations in Iraq. He has worked with rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). A Central Criminal Court of Iraq arrest warrant for Abu Ghazala was pending as of July 2, 2006, as was a $50,000 award for information leading to his capture.

Designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization since 1997, HAMAS has carried out attacks – such as suicide bombings, rocket launches, improvised explosive device attacks, and shootings – against civilian targets inside Israel.

Abu Ghazala plays an integral role in HAMAS and this action is designed to highlight the threat posed by Abu Ghazala while simultaneously assisting and complementing the law enforcement actions of other U.S. agencies.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Media Note
Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
September 22, 2011

The State Department has designated Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma’il Abu Ghazala under E.O. 13224, which targets terrorists and those providing support to terrorists or acts of terrorism. This action will help stem the flow of finances to Abu Ghazala by prohibiting U.S. persons from engaging in transactions with him and freezing any assets he may have under U.S. jurisdiction.

Abu Ghazala is a HAMAS operative. In addition to his involvement with HAMAS, he has links to Iran, the world’s leading State Sponsor of Terrorism, and al-Qa’ida. He is an improvised explosive device (IED) facilitator with connections to multiple IED networks throughout northern Iraq and is also responsible for disseminating numerous remote detonation device designs used by former regime elements and terror organizations in Iraq. He has worked with rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). A Central Criminal Court of Iraq arrest warrant for Abu Ghazala was pending as of July 2, 2006, as was a $50,000 award for information leading to his capture.

Designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization since 1997, HAMAS has carried out attacks – such as suicide bombings, rocket launches, improvised explosive device attacks, and shootings – against civilian targets inside Israel.

Abu Ghazala plays an integral role in HAMAS and this action is designed to highlight the threat posed by Abu Ghazala while simultaneously assisting and complementing the law enforcement actions of other U.S. agencies.

...against civilian targets inside Israel.

Where is inside Israel? Israel has no borders.

 

[Roudy]

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Media Note
Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
September 22, 2011

The State Department has designated Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma’il Abu Ghazala under E.O. 13224, which targets terrorists and those providing support to terrorists or acts of terrorism. This action will help stem the flow of finances to Abu Ghazala by prohibiting U.S. persons from engaging in transactions with him and freezing any assets he may have under U.S. jurisdiction.

Abu Ghazala is a HAMAS operative. In addition to his involvement with HAMAS, he has links to Iran, the world’s leading State Sponsor of Terrorism, and al-Qa’ida. He is an improvised explosive device (IED) facilitator with connections to multiple IED networks throughout northern Iraq and is also responsible for disseminating numerous remote detonation device designs used by former regime elements and terror organizations in Iraq. He has worked with rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). A Central Criminal Court of Iraq arrest warrant for Abu Ghazala was pending as of July 2, 2006, as was a $50,000 award for information leading to his capture.

Designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization since 1997, HAMAS has carried out attacks – such as suicide bombings, rocket launches, improvised explosive device attacks, and shootings – against civilian targets inside Israel.

Abu Ghazala plays an integral role in HAMAS and this action is designed to highlight the threat posed by Abu Ghazala while simultaneously assisting and complementing the law enforcement actions of other U.S. agencies.

...against civilian targets inside Israel.

Where is inside Israel? Israel has no borders.

Yes Tiny Brain knows better. It's just a phony designation. The US and all of Western Europe have mistakenly designated Hamas as terrorist. What a frickin' moron.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Terrorist Designation of HAMAS Operative Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma'il Abu Ghazala

Media Note
Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
September 22, 2011

The State Department has designated Muhammad Hisham Muhammad Isma’il Abu Ghazala under E.O. 13224, which targets terrorists and those providing support to terrorists or acts of terrorism. This action will help stem the flow of finances to Abu Ghazala by prohibiting U.S. persons from engaging in transactions with him and freezing any assets he may have under U.S. jurisdiction.

Abu Ghazala is a HAMAS operative. In addition to his involvement with HAMAS, he has links to Iran, the world’s leading State Sponsor of Terrorism, and al-Qa’ida. He is an improvised explosive device (IED) facilitator with connections to multiple IED networks throughout northern Iraq and is also responsible for disseminating numerous remote detonation device designs used by former regime elements and terror organizations in Iraq. He has worked with rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). A Central Criminal Court of Iraq arrest warrant for Abu Ghazala was pending as of July 2, 2006, as was a $50,000 award for information leading to his capture.

Designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization since 1997, HAMAS has carried out attacks – such as suicide bombings, rocket launches, improvised explosive device attacks, and shootings – against civilian targets inside Israel.

Abu Ghazala plays an integral role in HAMAS and this action is designed to highlight the threat posed by Abu Ghazala while simultaneously assisting and complementing the law enforcement actions of other U.S. agencies.

...against civilian targets inside Israel.

Where is inside Israel? Israel has no borders.

Yes Tiny Brain knows better. It's just a phony designation. The US and all of Western Europe have mistakenly designated Hamas as terrorist. What a frickin' moron.

Then why not the UN or most of the other countries in the world.

It must be just a political opinion.

 

[Lipush]

So, what do you think about the issues presented in the video?

That it's nonsense.

Again people expect Israel to budge without any promising that security will reach it, and without dealing with issues like threats of Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc.

"No need to talk" this conflict? I am glad we have found out what we DON'T need to do.

Pressure on our people won't bring results, as long as its doesn't do anything for heling or considering the Israeli side. We want security. We want the fanatic parties in the Palestinian side to lay down it's will of Israel's destruction.

People can take Oslo 93 and shove it. it doesn't worth the paper its written on. Oslo is dead.

Bring out some real solution.

You tend to ignore the fact that it is Israel that is occupying Palestine.

I have to agree with you that Oslo was crap.

"Palestine" is only a PART of ancient Israel.