Nazis were Catholic?

Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
The Führer admired Atatürk’s subordination of religion to the state—and his ruthless treatment of minorities.
By
Dominic Green
Jan. 16, 2015 3:55 p.m. ET



‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

For decades, historians have seen...


Why Hitler Wished He Was Muslim
Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.
Heydrich's mother was Catholic
Himmler was OBSESSED with King Henry who was to be crowned Holy Roman Emperor
Nazis in the nunnery*
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What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??


what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

google Nicean council -----325 AD-------
 
I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.
It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.
Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.

it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"
 
It is said the Pope was pro-Nazi, but I also believe there were several Catholic Priests among the concentration camps. I can't recall Germany ever being thought of as a Catholic nation. Mostly Lutheran, I think!

<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.
Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.

it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"

Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.
 
Pretty sure he looked at Muslims as useful tools.
What about Nazis being influenced by Lutheran founder Martin Luther on the Jews and their lies?

Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??


what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

google Nicean council -----325 AD-------

Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.
 
<B>Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows</B>

08, 2010
Pope Saved Thousands Of Jews Durning Holocaust, Evidence Shows
New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht.


'Pope Pius XII saved thousands of Jews'

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have facilitated the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany shortly after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reports.

Ha'aretz

New research has found that Pope Pius XII may have arranged the exodus of about 200,000 Jews from Germany just three weeks after Kristallnacht, the Daily Telegraph reported on Tuesday.

The research is being carried out by Dr. Michael Hesemann, a German historian who is combing through the Vatican archives for the Pave the Way Foundation, a U.S.-based interfaith group.

Pope Pius XII has been widely criticized for his silence during the Holocaust and his failure to explicitly denounce the Holocaust, the Nazi regime or to excommunicate Hitler.

The new research, however, shows that the perception of Pius XII as "Hitler's Pope" may be historically incorrect.
Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.

it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"

Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.

wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored by a GERMAN-----the Ha aretz newspaper just reported
the opinion of a german historian
Luther was influenced by the catholic church in his opinion on jews. ----
he did not invent the ideas he expressed

Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??


what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

google Nicean council -----325 AD-------

Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.

your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement
 
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Sobieski, I am so happy to read this news of Pius XII. I would hate for someone who secretly helped people fleeing from terror to go down in history as a villain. If you hear more, please pass it on.

the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.

it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"

Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.

wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored
Not the New Testament writen by largely Jewish blooded founding Catholics??


what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

google Nicean council -----325 AD-------

Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.

your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement

You haven't listed many facts, but rather propaganda pieces, overwhelmingly.

You have so many times blamed Polish Catholics for the Holocaust, and also the Pogroms, and NEVER once have a source, or fact behind it.

In fact, you're dumb enough to have touted of the Rohingya Genocide, saying it was Buddhist lands, and they could do what they wanted towards Muslim squatters there.

Meanwhile, you're too dumb, to see that the same would hold true for Jewish squatters in countries like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of Catholics saved Jews in the Holocaust too.

More Polish Catholics were killed for standing up to Nazis, than Polish Catholics had stood up with Nazis to kill Jews.

200,000 Catholic Poles died in Warsaw, for staging the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

Another 100,000 Catholic Poles may have died in the first Month attempting to resist Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.

Yes, some Catholic Poles like Henryk Slawik, were hanged for their saving of Jews directly.
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.
the article is not at all impressive------"secretly"??? why would the pope have to keep anti-Nazi sentiment a "secret"? He lied when he specifically
mentioned "do it for catholics" ? How would the recipients of the missive
come to know he REALLY meant----jews?

The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.

it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"

Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.

wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored
what does "jewish blooded" mean? The New testament was cobbled
together by a committee under the Auspices of the mass murderer
Constantine. It is clear that there were prior written sources. It
is very pro-roman ------Goebbels could have written it

Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

google Nicean council -----325 AD-------

Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.

your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement

You haven't listed many facts, but rather propaganda pieces, overwhelmingly.

You have so many times blamed Polish Catholics for the Holocaust, and also the Pogroms, and NEVER once have a source, or fact behind it.

In fact, you're dumb enough to have touted of the Rohingya Genocide, saying it was Buddhist lands, and they could do what they wanted towards Muslim squatters there.

Meanwhile, you're too dumb, to see that the same would hold true for Jewish squatters in countries like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of Catholics saved Jews in the Holocaust too.

More Polish Catholics were killed for standing up to Nazis, than Polish Catholics had stood up with Nazis to kill Jews.

200,000 Catholic Poles died in Warsaw, for staging the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

Another 100,000 Catholic Poles may have died in the first Month attempting to resist Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.

Yes, some Catholic Poles like Henryk Slawik, were hanged for their saving of Jews directly.


wrong again-----I have correctly stated that the ROHINGYA muslims in Myanmar
are ILLEGAL migrants to a Buddhist country. . The Polish resistance to
the German army was not enacted to "save jews' I have correctly stated
that Polish anti-Semitism helped in the annihilation of jews in Poland.----more
accurately ----the ANTI SEMITISM OF THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. .
Adolf did not introduce the idea of killing jews in Poland.
You are not only a liar------you know no history. Never heard of
CONSTANTINE? The Nicean Council----325 AD? Did you ever read
the New Testament? are you over age 14?
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.
The Article is by a Jew, one Shmarya Rosenberg.

But, I suppose it's just Catholics making up crap, eh?

We're well versed in you here, we all know you're the #1 user in making up crap, on USMB.

it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"

Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.

wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored
Proof????
I glanced through the Wiki article on the New Testament, and didn't see Constantine listed, please enlighten us?

New Testament - Wikipedia

google Nicean council -----325 AD-------

Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.

your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement

You haven't listed many facts, but rather propaganda pieces, overwhelmingly.

You have so many times blamed Polish Catholics for the Holocaust, and also the Pogroms, and NEVER once have a source, or fact behind it.

In fact, you're dumb enough to have touted of the Rohingya Genocide, saying it was Buddhist lands, and they could do what they wanted towards Muslim squatters there.

Meanwhile, you're too dumb, to see that the same would hold true for Jewish squatters in countries like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of Catholics saved Jews in the Holocaust too.

More Polish Catholics were killed for standing up to Nazis, than Polish Catholics had stood up with Nazis to kill Jews.

200,000 Catholic Poles died in Warsaw, for staging the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

Another 100,000 Catholic Poles may have died in the first Month attempting to resist Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.

Yes, some Catholic Poles like Henryk Slawik, were hanged for their saving of Jews directly.


wrong again-----I have correctly stated that the ROHINGYA muslims in Myanmar
are ILLEGAL migrants to a Buddhist country. . The Polish resistance to
the German army was not enacted to "save jews' I have correctly stated
that Polish anti-Semitism helped in the annihilation of jews in Poland.----more
accurately ----the ANTI SEMITISM OF THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. .
Adolf did not introduce the idea of killing jews in Poland.
You are not only a liar------you know no history. Never heard of
CONSTANTINE? The Nicean Council----325 AD? Did you ever read
the New Testament? are you over age 14?

LOL!!
Such a biased hypocrite.

Catholic Poles of Armia Krajowa founded Zegota, the ONLY Goyim organization dedicated to saving, feeding, and housing JEWS & ONLY Jews in Europe at the time.

Catholic Poles also make up the highest number of Righteous Among the Nations, who risked their lives to save Jews against a Nazi German death penalty.

Yes, there were a few Catholic Poles who were Nazi collaborators, here & there, such as Blue Police, Polish Kapos, etc.
I've never denied such.

Same also holds true for Jews, particularly Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrate, Sonderkommandos, Group 13, and Jewish Kapos.


I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear about all these Catholic nations who supported the Holocaust?
Even most of the Axis Catholics, like Fascist Italy, and Fascist Hungary, had infact resisted the Holocaust.
Of course Fascist Franco of Spain remained neutral.

There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.

Yes, Hitler, and a few other high ranking Nazis were born & raised Catholic, but many of them supported other religious beliefs like Paganism, and Islam.



Ultimately Hitler killed a ton of Catholics, and I'd love to know how many Lutherans were killed by Nazis under Hitler's command?????
 
I'd love to hear that Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, actually.

This is a common theme, with little evidence.

I have a lot to say on this topic, but I won't in the OP, merely because I'd love to hear your frigging opinions.


You do know you retarded polack Catholics are christian right?


.

My OP's referal of "LOVE to hear Nazis were Catholic Supremacists, is CLEARLY a Sarcastic Antagonism.

Spoken like a true Jew, when are you coming out of the Jew closet??????

You care more about Jews, and Israel, than about Catholics, and Poland.

In fact, you seem to be anti-Polak, just because I'm anti-Jewish.

My Half-Aunt was:

1. Polish

2. Jewish

3. A lot like you...

You positive you are Catholic and not Jewish?

As for the OP, well I doubt many of them were Christian and if they were they would have killed their own Messiah seeing he was Jewish...
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.
it was also sourced from the newspaper HA'ARETZ-----Israel's answer to
"THE ONION"

Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.

wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored
google Nicean council -----325 AD-------

Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.

your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement

You haven't listed many facts, but rather propaganda pieces, overwhelmingly.

You have so many times blamed Polish Catholics for the Holocaust, and also the Pogroms, and NEVER once have a source, or fact behind it.

In fact, you're dumb enough to have touted of the Rohingya Genocide, saying it was Buddhist lands, and they could do what they wanted towards Muslim squatters there.

Meanwhile, you're too dumb, to see that the same would hold true for Jewish squatters in countries like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of Catholics saved Jews in the Holocaust too.

More Polish Catholics were killed for standing up to Nazis, than Polish Catholics had stood up with Nazis to kill Jews.

200,000 Catholic Poles died in Warsaw, for staging the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

Another 100,000 Catholic Poles may have died in the first Month attempting to resist Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.

Yes, some Catholic Poles like Henryk Slawik, were hanged for their saving of Jews directly.


wrong again-----I have correctly stated that the ROHINGYA muslims in Myanmar
are ILLEGAL migrants to a Buddhist country. . The Polish resistance to
the German army was not enacted to "save jews' I have correctly stated
that Polish anti-Semitism helped in the annihilation of jews in Poland.----more
accurately ----the ANTI SEMITISM OF THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. .
Adolf did not introduce the idea of killing jews in Poland.
You are not only a liar------you know no history. Never heard of
CONSTANTINE? The Nicean Council----325 AD? Did you ever read
the New Testament? are you over age 14?

LOL!!
Such a biased hypocrite.

Catholic Poles of Armia Krajowa founded Zegota, the ONLY Goyim organization dedicated to saving, feeding, and housing JEWS & ONLY Jews in Europe at the time.

Catholic Poles also make up the highest number of Righteous Among the Nations, who risked their lives to save Jews against a Nazi German death penalty.

Yes, there were a few Catholic Poles who were Nazi collaborators, here & there, such as Blue Police, Polish Kapos, etc.
I've never denied such.

Same also holds true for Jews, particularly Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrate, Sonderkommandos, Group 13, and Jewish Kapos.


I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear about all these Catholic nations who supported the Holocaust?
Even most of the Axis Catholics, like Fascist Italy, and Fascist Hungary, had infact resisted the Holocaust.
Of course Fascist Franco of Spain remained neutral.

There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.

Yes, Hitler, and a few other high ranking Nazis were born & raised Catholic, but many of them supported other religious beliefs like Paganism, and Islam.



Ultimately Hitler killed a ton of Catholics, and I'd love to know how many Lutherans were killed by Nazis under Hitler's command?????

Try again Your entire post is chock full of idiot lying accusations against
me--------I understand that you cannot help it-----anti Semitism is in YOUR DNA.
you got stats on the NUMBER OF ANTI-HOLOCAUST catholics? ----actually ---
most of the HIGHEST RANKING Nazis were catholic-----not "a few" In fact
one of the most disgusting Hitler lovers in the USA was a very influential
priest FATHER CHARLES COUGHLIN He vomited his anti-Semitism
over the radio to millions of adoring fans
 
There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.


"For the professing Christian, of all the questions that arise out of the study of the Third Reich and the Holocaust the most terrible are these: What were the churches doing? How could such a monstrous crime be committed in the heart of Christendom by baptized Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox who were never rebuked, let alone excommunicated? Where were the Christians?" —Franklin H. Littell, "Foreword" in Bonifas, Prisoner 20-801: A French National in the Nazi Labor Camps, p. vii.

Understanding the Vatican During the Nazi Period

~S~
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.
Hmm, You've routinely blamed Catholics, the Pope, and Poles, for the Holocaust, and yet never seem to have much, if any evidence for such accusations.

Just because the Haaretz aren't mega-Jewish Supremacists like yourself, doesn't make them wrong, factually incorrect, anti-Semitic, or anti-Zionist.

wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored
Did just that, and I didn't find much of anything linking it to the New Testament.

Source it, I'm tired of running ragged, looking for your claims, that often don't exist, outside of your Catholic-phobic mind.

your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement

You haven't listed many facts, but rather propaganda pieces, overwhelmingly.

You have so many times blamed Polish Catholics for the Holocaust, and also the Pogroms, and NEVER once have a source, or fact behind it.

In fact, you're dumb enough to have touted of the Rohingya Genocide, saying it was Buddhist lands, and they could do what they wanted towards Muslim squatters there.

Meanwhile, you're too dumb, to see that the same would hold true for Jewish squatters in countries like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of Catholics saved Jews in the Holocaust too.

More Polish Catholics were killed for standing up to Nazis, than Polish Catholics had stood up with Nazis to kill Jews.

200,000 Catholic Poles died in Warsaw, for staging the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

Another 100,000 Catholic Poles may have died in the first Month attempting to resist Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.

Yes, some Catholic Poles like Henryk Slawik, were hanged for their saving of Jews directly.


wrong again-----I have correctly stated that the ROHINGYA muslims in Myanmar
are ILLEGAL migrants to a Buddhist country. . The Polish resistance to
the German army was not enacted to "save jews' I have correctly stated
that Polish anti-Semitism helped in the annihilation of jews in Poland.----more
accurately ----the ANTI SEMITISM OF THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. .
Adolf did not introduce the idea of killing jews in Poland.
You are not only a liar------you know no history. Never heard of
CONSTANTINE? The Nicean Council----325 AD? Did you ever read
the New Testament? are you over age 14?

LOL!!
Such a biased hypocrite.

Catholic Poles of Armia Krajowa founded Zegota, the ONLY Goyim organization dedicated to saving, feeding, and housing JEWS & ONLY Jews in Europe at the time.

Catholic Poles also make up the highest number of Righteous Among the Nations, who risked their lives to save Jews against a Nazi German death penalty.

Yes, there were a few Catholic Poles who were Nazi collaborators, here & there, such as Blue Police, Polish Kapos, etc.
I've never denied such.

Same also holds true for Jews, particularly Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrate, Sonderkommandos, Group 13, and Jewish Kapos.


I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear about all these Catholic nations who supported the Holocaust?
Even most of the Axis Catholics, like Fascist Italy, and Fascist Hungary, had infact resisted the Holocaust.
Of course Fascist Franco of Spain remained neutral.

There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.

Yes, Hitler, and a few other high ranking Nazis were born & raised Catholic, but many of them supported other religious beliefs like Paganism, and Islam.



Ultimately Hitler killed a ton of Catholics, and I'd love to know how many Lutherans were killed by Nazis under Hitler's command?????

Try again Your entire post is chock full of idiot lying accusations against
me--------I understand that you cannot help it-----anti Semitism is in YOUR DNA.
you got stats on the NUMBER OF ANTI-HOLOCAUST catholics? ----actually ---
most of the HIGHEST RANKING Nazis were catholic-----not "a few" In fact
one of the most disgusting Hitler lovers in the USA was a very influential
priest FATHER CHARLES COUGHLIN He vomited his anti-Semitism
over the radio to millions of adoring fans

Touche, and you got stats on the NUMBER of PRO-HOLOCAUST Catholics, idiot?

How many people did the Irish Catholic Priest Coughlin kill, exactly????????

Hmm, some of the Nazis after the War who escaped, had converted to Islam, like Johann Von Leers, and Aribet Heim.

Apparently, even Jewish Israeli sources have noted a good deal of Nazis converted to Islam.

Why Did so Many Wanted Nazis Convert to Islam?

Let's not forget, the more bizarre, the Nazi who worked for the Israeli Mossad.

The strange case of a Nazi who became an Israeli hitman
 
There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.


"For the professing Christian, of all the questions that arise out of the study of the Third Reich and the Holocaust the most terrible are these: What were the churches doing? How could such a monstrous crime be committed in the heart of Christendom by baptized Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox who were never rebuked, let alone excommunicated? Where were the Christians?" —Franklin H. Littell, "Foreword" in Bonifas, Prisoner 20-801: A French National in the Nazi Labor Camps, p. vii.

Understanding the Vatican During the Nazi Period

~S~

Jewish Virtual Library as well.

860,000 Lives Saved - The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews

People often ask: why did Pius XII, Eugenio Pacelli, not speak out more forcefully against Hitler? Historian Fr Dermot Fenlon of the Birmingham Oratory looks at the facts and sets the record straight.

The answer is recounted by a former inmate of Dachau, Mgr Jean Bernard, later Bishop of Luxembourg:

"The detained priests trembled every time news reached us of some protest by a religious authority, but particularly by the Vatican. We all had the impression that our warders made us atone heavily for the fury these protests evoked ... whenever the way we were treated became more brutal, the Protestant pastors among the prisoners used to vent their indignation on the Catholic priests: 'Again your big naive Pope and those simpletons, your bishops, are shooting their mouths off .. why don't they get the idea once and for all, and shut up. They play the heroes and we have to pay the bill.'"

Albrecht von Kessel, an official at the German Embassy to the Holy See during the war, wrote in 1963:

"We were convinced that a fiery protest by Pius XII against the persecution of the Jews ... would certainly not have saved the life of a single Jew. Hitler, like a trapped beast, would react to any menace that he felt directed at him, with cruel violence."

The real question is, therefore, not what did the Pope say, but what did the Pope do? Actions speak louder than words. Papal policy in Nazi Europe was directed with an eye to local conditions. It was co- ordinated with local hierarchies. Nazi policy towards the Jews varied from country to country. Thus, although anti-Jewish measures were met in France by public protest from Archbishop Saliege of Toulouse, together with Archbishop Gerlier of Lyons and Bishop Thias of Mantauban, their protest was backed by a highly effective rescue and shelter campaign. 200,000 lives were saved. In Holland, as Fr Michael O'Carroll writes, the outcome was 'tragically different'. The Jewish historian Pinchas Lapide sums it up:

"The saddest and most thought provoking conclusion is that whilst the Catholic clergy of Holland protested more loudly, expressly and frequently against Jewish persecutions than the religious hierarchy of any other Nazi-occupied country, more Jews - some 107,000 or 79% of the total - were deported from Holland; more than anywhere else in the West."

Van Kessel's view is therefore borne out by the experience of Nazi Holland: protest merely made for more reprisals.

What of Rome itself? In 1943 the German ambassador to the Holy See, Von Weizsaecker, sent a telegram to Berlin. The telegram has been cited as damning 'evidence' against Pius XII.

"Although under pressure from all sides, the Pope has not let himself be drawn into any demonstrative censure of the deportation of Jews from Rome ... As there is probably no reason to expect other German actions against the Jews of Rome we can consider that a question so disturbing to German-Vatican relations has been liquidated."

Von Weizsaecker's telegram was in fact a warning not to proceed with the proposed deportation of the Roman Jews: 'there is probably no reason to expect other German actions against the Jews of Rome'. Von Weizsaecker's action was backed by a warning to Hitler from Pius XII: if the pursuit and arrest of Roman Jews was not halted, the Holy Father would have to make a public protest. together the joint action of Von Weizsaecker and Pius XII ended the Nazi manhunt against the Jews of Rome. 7,000 lives were saved.

In Hungary, an estimated 80,000 baptismal certificates were issued by Church authorities to Jews. In other areas of Eastern Europe the Vatican escape network (organised via Bulgaria by the Nuncio Roncalli - later John XXIII) has impressed those writers who have studied the subject, with the effectiveness of the Church's rescue operation. David Herstig concludes his book on the subject thus:

"Those rescued by Pius are today living all over the world. There went to Israel alone from Romania 360,000 to the year 1965."

The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together.

After the war the Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked Pius XII for what he had done. The Chief Rabbi of Rome went one step further. He became a Catholic. He took the name Eugenio.

Note that the quotes in this article are take from Fr Michael O'Carroll's book, Dublin, 1980.
 
Germany was a devoutly Christian nation. Nazis were not going to succeed without embracing christianity
 
There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.


"For the professing Christian, of all the questions that arise out of the study of the Third Reich and the Holocaust the most terrible are these: What were the churches doing? How could such a monstrous crime be committed in the heart of Christendom by baptized Roman Catholics, Protestants, and Eastern Orthodox who were never rebuked, let alone excommunicated? Where were the Christians?" —Franklin H. Littell, "Foreword" in Bonifas, Prisoner 20-801: A French National in the Nazi Labor Camps, p. vii.

Understanding the Vatican During the Nazi Period

~S~[/QUOTE

thanks sparky------an excellent balanced discussion
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.
wrong again-----I have not "routinely" blamed anyone. I have just stated
facts. You should read your citation again------it is really meaningless
hyperbole authored
your statement is crude nonsense. Your catechism whore told you
that the NICEAN COUNCIL had nothing to do with the New Testament?
Try not to repeat that idiotic statement

You haven't listed many facts, but rather propaganda pieces, overwhelmingly.

You have so many times blamed Polish Catholics for the Holocaust, and also the Pogroms, and NEVER once have a source, or fact behind it.

In fact, you're dumb enough to have touted of the Rohingya Genocide, saying it was Buddhist lands, and they could do what they wanted towards Muslim squatters there.

Meanwhile, you're too dumb, to see that the same would hold true for Jewish squatters in countries like Poland, Russia, Hungary, Germany, Lithuania etc.

At the end of the day, a lot of Catholics saved Jews in the Holocaust too.

More Polish Catholics were killed for standing up to Nazis, than Polish Catholics had stood up with Nazis to kill Jews.

200,000 Catholic Poles died in Warsaw, for staging the anti-Nazi Warsaw Uprising.

Another 100,000 Catholic Poles may have died in the first Month attempting to resist Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland.

Yes, some Catholic Poles like Henryk Slawik, were hanged for their saving of Jews directly.


wrong again-----I have correctly stated that the ROHINGYA muslims in Myanmar
are ILLEGAL migrants to a Buddhist country. . The Polish resistance to
the German army was not enacted to "save jews' I have correctly stated
that Polish anti-Semitism helped in the annihilation of jews in Poland.----more
accurately ----the ANTI SEMITISM OF THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. .
Adolf did not introduce the idea of killing jews in Poland.
You are not only a liar------you know no history. Never heard of
CONSTANTINE? The Nicean Council----325 AD? Did you ever read
the New Testament? are you over age 14?

LOL!!
Such a biased hypocrite.

Catholic Poles of Armia Krajowa founded Zegota, the ONLY Goyim organization dedicated to saving, feeding, and housing JEWS & ONLY Jews in Europe at the time.

Catholic Poles also make up the highest number of Righteous Among the Nations, who risked their lives to save Jews against a Nazi German death penalty.

Yes, there were a few Catholic Poles who were Nazi collaborators, here & there, such as Blue Police, Polish Kapos, etc.
I've never denied such.

Same also holds true for Jews, particularly Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrate, Sonderkommandos, Group 13, and Jewish Kapos.


I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear about all these Catholic nations who supported the Holocaust?
Even most of the Axis Catholics, like Fascist Italy, and Fascist Hungary, had infact resisted the Holocaust.
Of course Fascist Franco of Spain remained neutral.

There's definitely far more anti-Holocaust Catholics back then, than pro-Holocaust Catholics.

Yes, Hitler, and a few other high ranking Nazis were born & raised Catholic, but many of them supported other religious beliefs like Paganism, and Islam.



Ultimately Hitler killed a ton of Catholics, and I'd love to know how many Lutherans were killed by Nazis under Hitler's command?????

Try again Your entire post is chock full of idiot lying accusations against
me--------I understand that you cannot help it-----anti Semitism is in YOUR DNA.
you got stats on the NUMBER OF ANTI-HOLOCAUST catholics? ----actually ---
most of the HIGHEST RANKING Nazis were catholic-----not "a few" In fact
one of the most disgusting Hitler lovers in the USA was a very influential
priest FATHER CHARLES COUGHLIN He vomited his anti-Semitism
over the radio to millions of adoring fans

Touche, and you got stats on the NUMBER of PRO-HOLOCAUST Catholics, idiot?

How many people did the Irish Catholic Priest Coughlin kill, exactly????????

Hmm, some of the Nazis after the War who escaped, had converted to Islam, like Johann Von Leers, and Aribet Heim.

Apparently, even Jewish Israeli sources have noted a good deal of Nazis converted to Islam.

Why Did so Many Wanted Nazis Convert to Islam?

Let's not forget, the more bizarre, the Nazi who worked for the Israeli Mossad.

The strange case of a Nazi who became an Israeli hitman


you have AGAIN -----said nothing -----sobie dear Coughlin would
have killed if he could have. He murdered my very own family members
thru his philosophy "lets not bother with that non problem"
 
Many Catholics took part in opposing the Nazis, running operations of the Underground Railroad type. Sister Elizabeth gave her own life up.

The Heroic Nun Who Gave Her Life for a Mother

However, what is unforgivable is that Pius XII never issued any sort of proclamation calling for the excommunication of any Catholic who aided the Nazis or hurt a Jew, even though excommunication is used like a hammer in that church, and he had the power to do it and failed to wield this immense power. What is also unforgivable is that some Catholic clergy hid Nazi war criminals in church buildings, monasteries and the like, at the end of the war.

A few months ago I saw an interesting bit on the History channel. Apparently, one of the Catholic clergy who helped and hid Nazis was forced to confess when the Mother Superior of a Catholic order (I wish that I had written down her name) confronted him with a rosary and ordered him to take it and swear that he did not do such a thing. The jig was up.
It is very easy to sit in a comfy chair and make a judgement decades later about how a person should have acted related to life and death issues when we are so imperfect ourselves. Many were forced to pretend compliance just to stay alive. Have you ever seen something unethical at work and remained silent? Have you ever rationalized away an inconvenience or unpleasantness rather than make a fuss setting it right? A true history is important, but we are not very qualified to make judgements without a full knowledge long before hindsight sets in.

I challenged the actions of the most important and powerful person in the Catholic Church during WWII, who had the power to direct the actions of Catholics all over the world and had no fear for his personal safety. Moreover, we are talking not only about the actions of Catholics and their pope during WWII, we also are talking about the actions of Catholics after WWII ended, which is when some Catholic clergy participated in hiding Nazi criminals and might have helped them escape to places like Paraguay.

The Mother Superior did the right thing to confront this "priest."

The important thing that remains is that these guys who did these thing were caught and exposed for what they were.

We expose people like this. While a different subject, I am very happy that Kevin Spacey has been exposed, but what I mean to say is that public exposure is essential when one does something wrong. Hat's off to Mother Superior!
 

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