Nazi "Grandma" sent down for holocaust denial

[Tommy Tainant]

German court rejects 'Nazi grandma' appeal, as it rules Holocaust denial is not covered by free speech

German holocaust denier Ursula Haverbeck has been sentenced to two and a half years in prison after the country's highest court ruled that denying the mass murder of Jews during Nazi Germany is not covered by the right to free speech and "threatens public peace".

Cheerio you wicked old bitch.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The irony is completely lost on these savages.

 

[mdk]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

Any criminal prosecution, for the “crime” of holding and expressing an unpopular opinion, is absurd.

It's a step on the path that leads right back into the very same evil and tyranny that Germany purports to be trying to eschew.

 

[fncceo]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

Any criminal prosecution, for the “crime” of holding and expressing an unpopular opinion, is absurd.

It's a step on the path that leads right back into the very same evil and tyranny that Germany purports to be trying to eschew.

Denying the Holocaust isn't just an 'unpopular opinion'. It's key to a resurgence of Nazi support in Europe. Since the fall of the Nazis there were and continue to be people who want to bring back the Nazi ideology. The only thing stopping them is the fact that the crimes of the Nazis make any reasonable person shudder at the idea of association with them.

Remove the Holocaust from the legacy of the Nazis and you open the door for a return of popular Nazism in Europe.

Unlike Americans, Europeans tend to be very extreme in their ideologies. Their political spectrum can swing from Socialist to Fascist at the drop of a hat. It has before, and probably will again. An economic collapse or an upsurge in minority violence is all it could take for Europeans to jump right back on the Nazi bandwagon.

 

[Likkmee]

6 million skulls @ 8" wide, side by side, is 757.57 miles. Whatcha think ?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Any criminal prosecution, for the “crime” of holding and expressing an unpopular opinion, is absurd.

It's a step on the path that leads right back into the very same evil and tyranny that Germany purports to be trying to eschew.

Denying the Holocaust isn't just an 'unpopular opinion'. It's key to a resurgence of Nazi support in Europe. Since the fall of the Nazis there were and continue to be people who want to bring back the Nazi ideology. The only thing stopping them is the fact that the crimes of the Nazis make any reasonable person shudder at the idea of association with them.

You're simply wrong.

It is the suppression and censorship of unpopular opinions, and the abuse of the criminal justice system to punish those who dare to express them, that will be the key to a resurgance of Naziism, should such a resurgence ever occur. This is an abuse that is endemic to Naziism as well as to other forms of extreme tyranny.´ There is no place for it in a free and civilized society.

The irony, of course, would be in Naziism rising again, on the wings of this abuse that is ostensibly being carried out with the purported purpose of quashing Naziism.

 

[fncceo]

"Hi, everyone. We're the new Nazis. Remember us? Yea, I know you've heard a lot of stories. But, it's totally not true. We didn't kill all those Jews we threw into camps. They were really just holiday camps and those Jews died from too much good food and recreation. Weird, huh?. So, let's not worry about those Jews. Think of all the good stuff we did. We built a lot of great-looking buildings. We killed a LOT of Communists. We had REALLY great uniforms, right? I mean, Hugo Boss. What's not to like?"

"So, yea, stuff is really bad in Europe right now and I know you're looking for someone to blame. Well, we have the solution for you. It's not like you can't trust us, because all those bad things they said we did in the old days, we totally didn't do them. And, if we did do them, those guys probably had it coming anyway, right? Give us another chance, I'm sure we can finish the job we started last time. We can get rid of all those pesky Commies and untermenschen, make the trains run on time time and Make Germany Great Again. What have you got to lose?"

"Nazis ... you can totally trust us this time"

 

[Dogmaphobe]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

Any criminal prosecution, for the “crime” of holding and expressing an unpopular opinion, is absurd.

It's a step on the path that leads right back into the very same evil and tyranny that Germany purports to be trying to eschew.

Denying the Holocaust isn't just an 'unpopular opinion'. It's key to a resurgence of Nazi support in Europe. Since the fall of the Nazis there were and continue to be people who want to bring back the Nazi ideology. The only thing stopping them is the fact that the crimes of the Nazis make any reasonable person shudder at the idea of association with them.

Remove the Holocaust from the legacy of the Nazis and you open the door for a return of popular Nazism in Europe.

Unlike Americans, Europeans tend to be very extreme in their ideologies. Their political spectrum can swing from Socialist to Fascist at the drop of a hat. It has before, and probably will again. An economic collapse or an upsurge in minority violence is all it could take for Europeans to jump right back on the Nazi bandwagon.

The actual torch carriers for the Nazi ideology in Europe are more likely to be Muslims rather than native Europeans, and people are jailed for speaking out against them. I'd suggest you read "Jihad and Jew hatred" by Matthias Kuntzel for more details.

The slippery slope of hate speech laws is that they are too often applied to support the haters rather than silence them. People are being jailed in Britain for opposing the rape of children, so the notion of silencing people is certainly a double edged sword.

 

[Yarddog]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

Any criminal prosecution, for the “crime” of holding and expressing an unpopular opinion, is absurd.

It's a step on the path that leads right back into the very same evil and tyranny that Germany purports to be trying to eschew.

Denying the Holocaust isn't just an 'unpopular opinion'. It's key to a resurgence of Nazi support in Europe. Since the fall of the Nazis there were and continue to be people who want to bring back the Nazi ideology. The only thing stopping them is the fact that the crimes of the Nazis make any reasonable person shudder at the idea of association with them.

Remove the Holocaust from the legacy of the Nazis and you open the door for a return of popular Nazism in Europe.

Unlike Americans, Europeans tend to be very extreme in their ideologies. Their political spectrum can swing from Socialist to Fascist at the drop of a hat. It has before, and probably will again. An economic collapse or an upsurge in minority violence is all it could take for Europeans to jump right back on the Nazi bandwagon.

Putting the old lady in prison though, is not the answer. Holocaust deniers will still exist and putting her in prison will more likely energize other extremists like herself. Her position can easily be defeated in the public theatre.

 

[Tilly]

Hopefully Germany has built plenty of prisons since it has imported a great number of holocaust deniers over the last few years.

 

[theHawk]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

Any criminal prosecution, for the “crime” of holding and expressing an unpopular opinion, is absurd.

It's a step on the path that leads right back into the very same evil and tyranny that Germany purports to be trying to eschew.

Denying the Holocaust isn't just an 'unpopular opinion'. It's key to a resurgence of Nazi support in Europe. Since the fall of the Nazis there were and continue to be people who want to bring back the Nazi ideology. The only thing stopping them is the fact that the crimes of the Nazis make any reasonable person shudder at the idea of association with them.

Remove the Holocaust from the legacy of the Nazis and you open the door for a return of popular Nazism in Europe.

Unlike Americans, Europeans tend to be very extreme in their ideologies. Their political spectrum can swing from Socialist to Fascist at the drop of a hat. It has before, and probably will again. An economic collapse or an upsurge in minority violence is all it could take for Europeans to jump right back on the Nazi bandwagon.

The socialists in Europe are the fascists now, at least in tactics to silence the opposition, as demonstrated by the OP and his glee for imprisoning people for their opinions.

 

[zaangalewa]

She’s an idiot, but two and a half years is an absurd sentence.

Why absurde?

2004: 5400 Euro
2007: 6000 Euro
2009: 2700 Euro
2010: six month on probation
2015: ten month without probation
2016: 2 1/2 years without probation
2017: six month without probation
2018: she was finally arrested for 2 1/2 years (process of the year 2016)

One problem in this context in Germany is that we have an increasing number of people who ignore the jurisdiction of the federal republic of Germany. They like to accept only the laws and rules of the Nazis from 1933-1945. But in case she had ignored the Nazi authorities of this time of history then she would had been sentenced to death. This would be absurde - and it is not absurde that a German court accepts not the political calculus of Nazis. This woman is old, but this is no excuse for nothing. She knows very well what she is doing.