Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist

[JW Frogen]

We are putting these brave bastards, our brave bastards, in impossible positions.

Hey, go catch that mass murdering terrorist, but what ever you do read him his Miranda rights, don't bust his lip, and make sure he is tucked in at night with a glass of milk.

Fuck me.

 

[Kalam]

They need to eat and contractors providing security for their food (you call 'mercenaries')

Is there a reason why the most powerful military in the world can't provide its own security instead of relying on hired thugs?

 

[JW Frogen]

They need to eat and contractors providing security for their food (you call 'mercenaries')

Is there a reason why the most powerful military in the world can't provide its own security instead of relying on hired thugs?

Good question.

About two years after I left the US Military I was offered an interview by Blackwater, I declined because I did not want to fight with men who fight only for money, that is a ticket to dishoner and death. (On the up side my wife would have left me if I had.)

As Edward Gibbon wrote, a great military fights in an honourable poverty. (By which he meant they are not in it for the money.)

Mercenaries are always a bad idea.

 

[eots]

They need to eat and contractors providing security for their food (you call 'mercenaries')

Is there a reason why the most powerful military in the world can't provide its own security instead of relying on hired thugs?

Good question, when I left the US Military about two years latter I was offered an interview by Blackwater, I declined because I did not want to fight with men who fight only for money, that is a ticket to dishoner and death.

As Edward Gibbon wrote, a great military fights in an honourable poverty. (By which he meant they are not in it for the money.)

Mercenaries are always a bad idea.

well said

 

[Si modo]

We are putting these brave bastards, our brave bastards, in impossible positions.

Hey, go catch that mass murdering terrorist, but what ever you do read him his Miranda rights, don't bust his lip, and make sure he is tucked in at night with a glass of milk.

Fuck me.

Spot on.

 

[Amanda]

There's nothing wrong with killing people? Wow.

That depends on the circumstances surrounding the killing. Assuming that the individual mercenaries who died did not harm any civilians themselves, I suppose that their deaths were regrettable. Surely, though, you can understand why I find it difficult to sympathize with mercenaries who are operating in a foreign country as part of an aggressive war, even if they are my countrymen.

- Really?

- I can see being bent at Rumsfeld and the like for outsourcing convoy security, but I have a hard time thinking those guys that were killed were assholes for taking a job escorting convoys.

I believe it was a terrorist act because of what they did, specifically the mutilation and display of the bodies.

They did that?

Are you kidding? Do you no know what happened to those guys post-ambush?

The whole country is a battlefield, really. To you, what can be considered "the battlefield" in Iraq?

Are you playing semantics games with peoples lives? They were in a Mitsubishi SUV driving through town. Not shooting anyone. Not causing trouble of any kind. And they were shot up, pulled from their vehicles, mutilated and put on display. Does that sound like battle to you? Cos it sounds like a terrorist act meant to send a message to me.

What they did was designed to send a message, which is the point of terrorism.

Fair enough. How would you classify this, though?

Shock and awe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm assuming you have a problem with "shock and awe". If so, is this the 2 wrongs make a right school of thought? Is that really the best you can do? Should I pull out all the beheadings, usually of innocents? Wanna justify those too?

You can describe these guys as mercenaries if you like, but the fact is they were driving through town as part of a convoy. And I believe the convoy was carrying food (IIRC from Jeremy Skahill's book "Blackwater" where he discussed the ambush in some detail) so it's not exactly like this was 2 opposing forces meeting on the battlefield. They were essentially minding their own business, cruising with the convoy when they were ambushed and murdered.

I don't understand. Ambushes and attempts to disrupt enemy supply lines are not legitimate war strategies? Doesn't that assertion sort of fly in the face of thousands of years of military tactics?

Did you forget the mutilation and display of the bodies hanging from a bridge? Where exactly does that fit in to thousands of years of military tactics? The plain fact here is you're defending terrorist acts. Weren't you just admonishing Saladin about being labelled an Islamo-fascist? From these recent posts it looks like you may be illuminating the path for him.

 

[mudwhistle]

We do not have sufficient evidence to analyze this particular case appropriately, I suspect, unless someone can supply superior information. While private mercenary groups are frequently authoritarian by their very nature and Blackwater has been a particularly severe offender, I would not join others in immediately celebrating the deaths of Blackwater personnel...nor necessarily in condemning them either, however.

Purhaps killings of any kind should be equally condemned. That way nomatter the facts you'll be able to say you're against it. That way you'll look like a kind soul with a good heart.......not just some jackass that hates America and hates war of any kind.

 

[mudwhistle]

I'm gonna propose new rules of engagement for all Middle Eastern countries or countries considered to be not as powerful as the United States.

1. Whenever you see an insurgent placing improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in areas of high-speed travel (streets, trails, foot-paths) you must first warn them of the harsh consequences of their actions...that they may have to be extradited to NYC to face trial.

2. If the suspect persists you are not to use deadly force nor any force at all to attempt to capture him. If you survive attempting to capture him in a peaceful and humane manner you must read him his rights (rights he doesn't have but Obama in all his wisdom has decided to bestow on him).

3. You must not strike him or throw your bad looks at him because of the possibility of charges being brought to bear against you in a special court marshal.

4. If the suspect claims that you punched him or talked to him in a rude manner you will then be read your rights and summarily accused of terrorizing women and children in the dead of night and accused of being criminals by the media and Liberals in general.

5. All suspects after a successful capture will be issued a signed apology from the president and an immediate pardon from the Attorney General....along with a Happy Meal supplied by McDonald's at cost (including war tax) to the U.S. taxpayer.......


P.S.

My recommendation is if you are put in the position to capture a known terrorist give him 3 warning shots in the chest to avoid any unintended consequences.

 

[The T]

They need to eat and contractors providing security for their food (you call 'mercenaries')

Is there a reason why the most powerful military in the world can't provide its own security instead of relying on hired thugs?

Dunno. Been the policy for quite awhile. Even Clinton used (dare I say)...Haliburton?

But that isn't the point. The point is that these services are used to free up soldiers for the real fighting.

But the point is now moot due to the constraints on our soldiers for the sake of a PC pre- 9/11 mentality. Sooner or later the point will be made again, GOD FORBID.

 

[The T]

Hey, Don’t Give Terrorist Murderers a Fat Lip; Navy SEALS Criminally Charged

WARNING! Link contains GRAPHIC PHOTOS

 

[mudwhistle]

Hey, Don’t Give Terrorist Murderers a Fat Lip; Navy SEALS Criminally Charged

WARNING! Link contains GRAPHIC PHOTOS

Right now Obama has a new enemy list:

Tea-party goers (rudely called "Tea-baggers")
Taxpayers that want to pay less
Insurance companies
Big Oil
Anyone in uniform returning from deployment
People that drive gas-guzzlers
Anyone who disagrees with him
Anyone in uniform returning from deployment that doesn't think the war is based on a lie
Anyone in uniform
The UK (our closest Allies in the war on terror)
All of our former Allies
People that live in West Virginia (Bible-thumpers and gun-toters)
Joe The Plumber
Glenn Beck
Sarah Palin
Fox News
White Folks that look like Rush
White Folks in general


However he has made friends with every despotic government in the world and sucked up to our enemies at every opportunity.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Since you are a fake arab poser I'll translate for you......EAT SHIT AND DIE!

I'm not a fan of phonetic translations. It leads to the kind of egregious spelling errors that your post contained.

I see that point flew directly over your head, of course.

Since this futility is growing tiresome, do you have anything to say regarding the thread topic?

I see you are a worthless animal...perhaps you would be better "suited" as a suicide bomber...it's what you and those like you do best right kaffir?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment — called an admiral's mast — and have requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

The four Blackwater agents were transporting supplies for a catering company when they were ambushed and killed by gunfire and grenades. Insurgents burned the bodies and dragged them through the city. They hanged two of the bodies on a bridge over the Euphrates River for the world press to photograph.

Intelligence sources identified Abed as the ringleader, but he had evaded capture until September.

The military is sensitive to charges of detainee abuse highlighted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal. The Navy charged four SEALs with abuse in 2004 in connection with detainee treatment.

FOXNews.com - Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist - Iraq | War | Map

Unbelievable.

I don't care if the terrorist scum bag got a busted lip.

What I care about is the charges of dereliction and making false official statements. I want SEALs that can man up when they mess up.

If they are to be cleared of charges, the military will clear them.

that's the angle, not the busted lip. but the lying.

 

[mudwhistle]

FOXNews.com - Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist - Iraq | War | Map

Unbelievable.

I don't care if the terrorist scum bag got a busted lip.

What I care about is the charges of dereliction and making false official statements. I want SEALs that can man up when they mess up.

If they are to be cleared of charges, the military will clear them.

that's the angle, not the busted lip. but the lying.

I think the real problem here is that the military has become so pacified that they feel they had to lie to keep from being accused of doing something wrong.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I don't care if the terrorist scum bag got a busted lip.

What I care about is the charges of dereliction and making false official statements. I want SEALs that can man up when they mess up.

If they are to be cleared of charges, the military will clear them.

that's the angle, not the busted lip. but the lying.

I think the real problem here is that the military has become so pacified that they feel they had to lie to keep from being accused of doing something wrong.

or they lied because they knew they did something wrong.

 

[mudwhistle]

that's the angle, not the busted lip. but the lying.

I think the real problem here is that the military has become so pacified that they feel they had to lie to keep from being accused of doing something wrong.

or they lied because they knew they did something wrong.

True....true...

But with R.O.E.s so stringent....how can you not do something wrong????

I know what it's like to fight a war with one hand tied behind my back.

These guys have two tied behind their backs.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I think the real problem here is that the military has become so pacified that they feel they had to lie to keep from being accused of doing something wrong.

or they lied because they knew they did something wrong.

True....true...

But with R.O.E.s so stringent....how can you not do something wrong????

I know what it's like to fight a war with one hand tied behind my back.

These guys have two tied behind their backs.

so far it is not even "clear" if the assault happened during capture or while the guy was already in detention.

well it is clear to me.

and in this case it probably wasn't the SEALs hands which were tied behind their backs, haha.

seriously, if it happened during capture, they would not have lied about it.

maybe.

 

[mudwhistle]

or they lied because they knew they did something wrong.

True....true...

But with R.O.E.s so stringent....how can you not do something wrong????

I know what it's like to fight a war with one hand tied behind my back.

These guys have two tied behind their backs.

so far it is not even "clear" if the assault happened during capture or while the guy was already in detention.

well it is clear to me.

and in this case it probably wasn't the SEALs hands which were tied behind their backs, haha.

seriously, if it happened during capture, they would not have lied about it.

maybe.

I think it's possible that a butt-stroke to the mouth could be the cause of the busted lip. Better to knock him out then pump him full of holes.

The murdering fuck was lucky they didn't do worse to him.

I'm just saying........

 

[L.K.Eder]

True....true...

But with R.O.E.s so stringent....how can you not do something wrong????

I know what it's like to fight a war with one hand tied behind my back.

These guys have two tied behind their backs.

so far it is not even "clear" if the assault happened during capture or while the guy was already in detention.

well it is clear to me.

and in this case it probably wasn't the SEALs hands which were tied behind their backs, haha.

seriously, if it happened during capture, they would not have lied about it.

maybe.

I think it's possible that a butt-stroke to the mouth could be the cause of the busted lip. Better to knock him out then pump him full of holes.

The murdering fuck was lucky they didn't do worse to him.

I'm just saying........

maybe it will all become clear when the pics surface on facebook.

 

[mudwhistle]

so far it is not even "clear" if the assault happened during capture or while the guy was already in detention.

well it is clear to me.

and in this case it probably wasn't the SEALs hands which were tied behind their backs, haha.

seriously, if it happened during capture, they would not have lied about it.

maybe.

I think it's possible that a butt-stroke to the mouth could be the cause of the busted lip. Better to knock him out then pump him full of holes.

The murdering fuck was lucky they didn't do worse to him.

I'm just saying........

maybe it will all become clear when the pics surface on facebook.

Does it really matter?

In a world where justice matters it wouldn't.