Nationalize American BIG-OIL!!!

[NYcarbineer]

Big letters. Small dick.

That's alot like what they say about macho usernames.

The converse being obviously true as well.

It was self-deprecating ironic humor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Excellent idea.

All oil on federal lands should be drilled and refined by government run operations, at cost, and the products used, as needed, by the military first, civilian government second, at cost,

and any excess put in reserve.

Gas would cost $50/gal if the government ran the oil companies.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea for government to take over any private business is a certified moron.

Government isn't competent to tie its own shoes, let alone run a major industry.

That's not a nice way to talk about our troops.

 

[Vast LWC]

Gas would cost $50/gal if the government ran the oil companies.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea for government to take over any private business is a certified moron.

Government isn't competent to tie its own shoes, let alone run a major industry.

You all keep saying that, but there's really no proof that it's true.

Generally what you types use as examples to defend your argument are programs that have been systematically robbed by people of your ilk, like Social Security, or businesses that were partially privatized and then failed because of technological advancements, like the Post office.

Meanwhile, government programs generally run at greater efficiency, and lower cost than private counterparts that perform the same function.

 

[bripat9643]

You all keep saying that, but there's really no proof that it's true.

Generally what you types use as examples to defend your argument are programs that have been systematically robbed by people of your ilk, like Social Security, or businesses that were partially privatized and then failed because of technological advancements, like the Post office.

Meanwhile, government programs generally run at greater efficiency, and lower cost than private counterparts that perform the same function.

Private businesses don't allow their customers and suppliers to rob them, so that isn't an argument in favor of government. Furthermore, government is the only party that has been robbing Social Security. I don't know where you get off blaming that on private citizens. I only wish the Post Office would fail. Then some private businesses could take over and provide mail services that was 10 times better at half the cost.

The beauty of the free market is that when a private business fails to provide consumers what the want cheaply and efficiently, they go out of business. Government operations never go out of business no matter how badly they are performing. The Post Office is a classic example of that.

No government operations runs at "lower cost" or "greater efficiency" than than a private business. That is simply a bald faced lie.

 

[bripat9643]

Excellent idea.

All oil on federal lands should be drilled and refined by government run operations, at cost, and the products used, as needed, by the military first, civilian government second, at cost,

and any excess put in reserve.

Gas would cost $50/gal if the government ran the oil companies.

Anyone who thinks it's a good idea for government to take over any private business is a certified moron.

Government isn't competent to tie its own shoes, let alone run a major industry.

That's not a nice way to talk about our troops.

Where did I mention the troops? However, if you think the Pentagon is competently run, your don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[Vast LWC]

Expropriation of private property without just compensation is a violation of the 5th Amendment, dipshit.

Have you ever read the Constitution?

Don't bother answering. The question was purely rhetorical.

What would the "private property" in question be? They're drilling on public land.

I didn't say the government should steal the oil company's equipment, just that they should start building the equipment and drilling the oil themselves.

The big oil companies can just take their shit and get the hell out when their leases expire.

Sure, it would take some time to set it up completely, but in the end, the results might be worth it.

 

[Intense]

If The President's gonna be (continually) busted for not doing more about prices-at-the-pump....while still being accused o' being a socialist....he might-as-WELL socialize all Big Oil interests, in the U.S., and SET prices-at-the-pump!!!!

Hell......who's he gonna piss-off; the high-roller$/1%er$/Teabaggin'-lackies?? Fuck them. They're a minority, anyhow.​

Fuck You Comrade.... No Really....Fuck You.

 

[Vast LWC]

The government would lose money hand over fist if it tried to recover the oil itself.

Can you name one government operation that was ever run more cheaply than a private sector equivalent?

Medicare
Medicaid
The US Army
The US Navy
The US Marines
Social Security

Would you like me to go on?

 

[thereisnospoon]

If The President's gonna be (continually) busted for not doing more about prices-at-the-pump....while still being accused o' being a socialist....he might-as-WELL socialize all Big Oil interests, in the U.S., and SET prices-at-the-pump!!!!

Hell......who's he gonna piss-off; the high-roller$/1%er$/Teabaggin'-lackies?? Fuck them. They're a minority, anyhow.​

Yessir..Mr Big Font....Let's have the federal government set gas prices...In fact, why not repeat the disaster of wage and price controls....Which caused for example, gas rationing. Hiring freezes and massive layoffs.
When you people realize everything government touches turns to shit, you then can post. Until then......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Vast LWC]

Private businesses don't allow their customers and suppliers to rob them, so that isn't an argument in favor of government. Furthermore, government is the only party that has been robbing Social Security. I don't know where you get off blaming that on private citizens. I only wish the Post Office would fail. Then some private businesses could take over and provide mail services that was 10 times better at half the cost.

Private citizens are the ones who have been voting the people into office that have been robbing Social Security, and the people they voted in have been using social security funds to pay for other underfunded programs that there is no tax money for, because the same people that are stealing from Social Security keep lowering taxes and not lowering other spending.

That is not a failure of the Social Security program. Social Security is NOT losing money. The people are using it for other things instead of paying the taxes needed to raise the revenue to pay for those other things.

The beauty of the free market is that when a private business fails to provide consumers what the want cheaply and efficiently, they go out of business. Government operations never go out of business no matter how badly they are performing. The Post Office is a classic example of that.

No government operations runs at "lower cost" or "greater efficiency" than than a private business. That is simply a bald faced lie.

The Post Office won't go out of business because the Constitution mandated that government have a post office. The only way to allow for it to go out of business is to change the Constitution.

 

[Intense]

The government would lose money hand over fist if it tried to recover the oil itself.

Can you name one government operation that was ever run more cheaply than a private sector equivalent?

Medicare
Medicaid
The US Army
The US Navy
The US Marines
Social Security

Would you like me to go on?

They run those Agencies, true enough, but for less than the Private Sector? No way. Think about what the Average Federal Employee makes a Year before Benefits. When you exclude Active Military, it's pretty shocking. More shocking than a Federal Employee having to face up to a 40 hour week, or less than 6 weeks vacation.

 

[Vast LWC]

Yessir..Mr Big Font....Let's have the federal government set gas prices...In fact, why not repeat the disaster of wage and price controls....Which caused for example, gas rationing. Hiring freezes and massive layoffs.
When you people realize everything government touches turns to shit, you then can post. Until then......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I agree, his fonts are too big.

But why would you need to do wage and price controls?

If you ran it the same way the oil companies do now, but with a public company, nothing else would need change.

 

[Vast LWC]

They run those Agencies, true enough, but for less than the Private Sector? No way. Think about what the Average Federal Employee makes a Year before Benefits. When you exclude Active Military, it's pretty shocking. More shocking than a Federal Employee having to face up to a 40 hour week, or less than 6 weeks vacation.

I've heard this said, but I've never seen a set of figures that actually backs up this assertion.



Now, I'd like to say at this juncture, that I am generally not a socialist.

In fact, I firmly believe that almost all industries should firmly remain independent of government control, and for good reason.

But if an industry is going to form giant monopolies, and engage in price-fixing, and massive speculation of their own product, while controlling the market for said product, and then, as a result, bankrupt the nation...

I'm thinking perhaps there needs to be some radical steps taken to deal with said industry.

 

[thereisnospoon]

We already subsidize BIG OIL, shouldn't we have some say in how they run our business?

The so called 'subsidies' are actually just tax write offs for non producing wells. Similar to any business that writes off expenses and losses. So what?
Without the deductions for losses, US oil production would cease. Why don't you check the tax breaks and write offs other industries receive? Skeered?
Examining oil company 'subsidies' - South Bend Tribune.
The thing is genius, if net profits for oil companies were as high as the main stream media and the Obama admin would like you lemmings to believe, their stock values would be through the stratosphere. They are not.
Tell ta what...How about we get rid of farm subsidies? Auto mfg subsidies? Be careful what you wish for....

 

[Intense]

They run those Agencies, true enough, but for less than the Private Sector? No way. Think about what the Average Federal Employee makes a Year before Benefits. When you exclude Active Military, it's pretty shocking. More shocking than a Federal Employee having to face up to a 40 hour week, or less than 6 weeks vacation.

I've heard this said, but I've never seen a set of figures that actually backs up this assertion.



Now, I'd like to say at this juncture, that I am generally not a socialist.

In fact, I firmly believe that almost all industries should firmly remain independent of government control, and for good reason.

But if an industry is going to form giant monopolies, and engage in price-fixing, and massive speculation of their own product, while controlling the market for said product, and then, as a result, bankrupt the nation...

I'm thinking perhaps there needs to be some radical steps taken to deal with said industry.

You doubt that Government has big controls over the Oil Companies? Who do you think profits the most from a gallon of oil, the Oil Companies or Government? Why do you think the Government cut is mostly based on Price rather than Volume? Name a single stage of oil research, development, production, Transport, or sale, that is not taxed.

 

[Intense]

By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.

Accountants, nurses, chemists, surveyors, cooks, clerks and janitors are among the wide range of jobs that get paid more on average in the federal government than in the private sector.

Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

CHART: Federal salaries compared to private-sector

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Federal pay has become a hot political issue in recent months because of concerns over the federal budget deficit and recession-battered wages in the private sector.

Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com

 

[Intense]

• Federal. The federal pay premium cut across all job categories — white-collar, blue-collar, management, professional, technical and low-skill. In all, 180 jobs paid better average salaries in the federal government; 36 paid better in the private sector.

•Private. The private sector paid more on average in a select group of high-skill occupations, including lawyers, veterinarians and airline pilots. The government's 5,200 computer research scientists made an average of $95,190, about $10,000 less than the average in the corporate world.

•State and local. State government employees had an average salary of $47,231 in 2008, about 5% less than comparable jobs in the private sector. City and county workers earned an average of $43,589, about 2% more than private workers in similar jobs. State and local workers have higher total compensation than private workers when the value of benefits is included.

Job comparison

Average federal salaries exceed average private-sector pay in 83% of comparable occupations. A sampling of average annnual salaries in 2008, the most recent data:
Job Federal Private Difference
Airline pilot, copilot, flight engineer $93,690 $120,012 -$26,322
Broadcast technician $90,310 $49,265 $41,045
Budget analyst $73,140 $65,532 $7,608
Chemist $98,060 $72,120 $25,940
Civil engineer $85,970 $76,184 $9,786
Clergy $70,460 $39,247 $31,213
Computer, information systems manager $122,020 $115,705 $6,315
Computer support specialist $45,830 $54,875 -$9,045
Cook $38,400 $23,279 $15,121
Crane, tower operator $54,900 $44,044 $10,856
Dental assistant $36,170 $32,069 $4,101
Economist $101,020 $91,065 $9,955
Editors $42,210 $54,803 -$12,593
Electrical engineer $86,400 $84,653 $1,747
Financial analysts $87,400 $81,232 $6,168
Graphic designer $70,820 $46,565 $24,255
Highway maintenance worker $42,720 $31,376 $11,344
Janitor $30,110 $24,188 $5,922
Landscape architects $80,830 $58,380 $22,450
Laundry, dry-cleaning worker $33,100 $19,945 $13,155
Lawyer $123,660 $126,763 -$3,103
Librarian $76,110 $63,284 $12,826
Locomotive engineer $48,440 $63,125 -$14,685
Machinist $51,530 $44,315 $7,215
Mechanical engineer $88,690 $77,554 $11,136
Office clerk $34,260 $29,863 $4,397
Optometrist $61,530 $106,665 -$45,135
Paralegals $60,340 $48,890 $11,450
Pest control worker $48,670 $33,675 $14,995
Physicians, surgeons $176,050 $177,102 -$1,052
Physician assistant $77,770 $87,783 -$10,013
Procurement clerk $40,640 $34,082 $6,558
Public relations manager $132,410 $88,241 $44,169
Recreation worker $43,630 $21,671 $21,959
Registered nurse $74,460 $63,780 $10,680
Respiratory therapist $46,740 $50,443 -$3,703
Secretary $44,500 $33,829 $10,671
Sheet metal worker $49,700 $43,725 $5,975
Statistician $88,520 $78,065 $10,455
Surveyor $78,710 $67,336 $11,374

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, USA TODAY analysis

Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com

 

[thereisnospoon]

I read the author's first line then got a headache from all the dumbass fonts and decided to stop reading.

So how do you think the Canucks will do in the playoffs?

 

[thereisnospoon]

We already subsidize BIG OIL, shouldn't we have some say in how they run our business?

Really?

So any tax write off gives the government the ability to tell you how to run your business or family?

Are you saying you DON'T want input into how your tax dollars are spent?

That's done at the voting polls.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Are you saying you DON'T want input into how your tax dollars are spent?

Obama can give you input on how to raise and provide for your family?

I already pay them in higher taxes to tell me not to smoke. Not to eat certain foods and certain sugary drinks. What's your point?

And your complacency and belief in government makes you an enabler of the theft of our liberty.