National Teacher's Strike on the table when Districts starts to end tenure

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    Districts around the country are starting to defy Teacher's Unions and ending Tenure agreements. Then Districts can fire any teacher at will.

    Sounds good. They can get rid of the lazy bad teachers that are costing the system too much.

    But, in times of dire budget crisis, what stops a district from firing good teachers based on the fact that they can hire 3 new teachers for the price of a good experienced teacher? I guarantee that would happen. The dollar is the "Supreme Decider."
     
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    Sweet...Use the strikes as a basis to break up the NEA/AFT monopolies.
     
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    Unions are not about cash. Unions are about job security.

    Even the substitutes will be on the picket line with this one.

    No way any union will ever negotiate on this, and the district that insists will have a strike for the whole of the school year.
     
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    Not about cash?

    What do you think that tenure and cushy pension benefits are all about?
     
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    Baruch, I agree with you about security being #1, but state budgets are in critical shape today...and who knows how badly they will require being brought into line.

    And, the history of tenure corresponds to that of the progressive movement in America...

    1. In the 19th century, university professors largely served at the pleasure of the board of trustees of the university. Sometimes, major donors could successfully remove professors or prohibit the hiring of certain individuals;… In one debate of the Cornell Board of Trustees, in the 1870s, a businessman trustee argued against the prevailing system of de facto tenure, but lost the argument. Tenure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2. The modern institution of academic tenure was hastened by progressive academia’s solidarity with E.A.Ross, progressive sociologist and social engineer and eugenicist. His thesis was that immigration would lead to “race suicide.”

    3. He studied at Johns Hopkins under Woodrow Wilson and Richard Ely, and was influenced, as were most progressives, by German national socialists. He shared with Wilson and Ely the belief that social progress had to realize innate differences between races: Africans and South Americans were close to being savages, and Asians might be more advanced but were degenerating.

    a. He served as a tutor to Teddy Roosevelt on immigration, and Roosevelt wrote the introduction to Ross’s “Sin and Society.”

    4. Ross believed that America was headed for destruction due to immigration, intermarriage, and the refusal of the state to impose eugenic reforms.

    a. He wrote: “Observe immigrants…in their gatherings, washed and combed, and in their Sunday best…[They] are hirsute, low-browed, big-faced persons of obviously low mentality…[C]learly they belong in skins, in wattled huts at the close of the Great Ice Age. These ox-like men are descendants of those who always stayed behind.” David M. Kennedy, “Can We Still Afford To Be A Nation Of Immigrants?” Atlantic Monthly, Nov. 1996, p.52-68

    5. Ross got a position at Stanford, but Stanford’s conservative grande dame and benefactor, Jane Lathrop Stanford disliked his loud and crude denunciation of Chinese ‘coolies,’ as this position was at odds with the university's founding family, the Stanfords, who had made their fortune in Western rail construction - a major employer of Chinese laborers. Ibid.

    a. Numerous professors at Stanford resigned after protests of his dismissal, sparking "a national debate.”

    b. Progressive organizations led by Richard Ely’s American Economic Association, rallied to his cause.

    c. The NYTimes and other newspapers editorialized on his behalf.

    d. But, Ross moved on to the University of Nebraska, where he worked with Roscoe Pound, on ‘sociological jurisprudence,’ and modern liberalism’s “living Constitution.”

    6. In 1915, this was followed by the American Association of University Professors' (AAUP) declaration of principles—the traditional justification for academic freedom and tenure. In 1940, the AAUP recommended that the academic tenure probationary period be seven years -- still the current norm.

    Based on conservative resurgance, and the alignment of teachers' unions with the progressives, I wouldn't bet against a redefiniton of tenure.
     
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    a year long strike or lock out might be worth the shake up. increased private schools, alternate internet learning, home schooling, and a host of unknown changes might be just what the doctor ordered.
     
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    Friend, you have to remember there are some excellent teachers out there with a great deal of experience that the systems need. (I was one of them before I became a teacher Consultant,lol).

    MY salary was based upon the years of graduate work at my own expense, just short of a PHD, and my love of working with children. That love encompasses a great deal of work at home and during the summers writing books and private stories with the children's name in them for homework. I was a specialist and would have been missed.

    At the same time I commanded a greater salary and three new teachers with no experience could have been hired based on my salary.

    I do not like Unions, although I was a rep. and saw the misuse of their power and saw their demons. I am against Teacher's Unions.

    But our systems need good teachers and new teachers need the experience before they can command a classroom and gather more insight in teaching strategies. I evaluated and mentored new teachers. Just my thought.

    Our pensions and benefits are not cushy. Not like other unions, btw.
     
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    If you are suggesting that removing tenure will turn the American system around, I think you will be disappointed.

    Teachers are but a small part of the problem.

    To my mind, vouchers with the funds attached to the child...a system which will find more and varied schools, but with basically the same teachers...will produce far more success.
     
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    Oh, I'm not saying that there aren't great teachers out there...Or even that most of them aren't very, very good at what they do....I'll be the first to admit that most teachers are probably better than their pay scales.

    That said, there is more to the NEA/AFT teacher monopolies than meets the eye, as your salient comment on useless toady union reps demonstrates....If it's anyone who has the cushy benefits it's the union reps and the scads of do-nothing administrators, who wouldn't know the business end of a syllabus if it bit them....Yet another prime example of institutionalized professional welfare, which sucks money out of the productive and useful pursuits of teaching, to feather the nests of the unproductive moocher.
     
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    Too bad we don't have a politician with the balls to pull a Reagan on the teachers' union.

    Get to work or you're fucking fired.
     
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