NASA Scientists Embarrassed by AGW...

[flacaltenn]

Major players in the team that got us to the moon and guided our space program for YEARS --- are now embarrassed by the biased science coming out of their former agency.
They recently submitted a signed letter to NASA requesting that the agency abandon their SEVERE position on MAN-MADE global warming..

I welcome them to the team .....

Former NASA Employees Letter on Global Warming | Global Warming Skeptics & Climate Change Science | LiveScience


The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for
Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and
websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is
having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated,
especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data.

With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from
the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme position, prior
to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers
is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and
unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is
damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and
employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend
that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend
to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science

CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request

for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is

having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate,

34 years

/s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years

/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years

/s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years

/s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years

/s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41

years

/s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years

/s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years

/s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys.,

Engr. Dir., 44 years

/s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years

/s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years

/s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years

/s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years

/s/ Anita Gale

/s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years

/s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years

/s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years

/s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space

Center, 22 years

/s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31

years

/s/ Thomas J. Harmon

/s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years

/s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years

/s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years

/s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life

Sciences, 22 years

/s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40

years

/s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson

Space Center, 24 years

/s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div.,

Egr. Dir., 34 years

/s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen

/s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30

years

/s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs,

40 years

/s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program

Offices, 33 years

/s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station

Program, 28 years

/s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years

/s/ Tom Ohesorge

/s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years

/s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years

/s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr.

Directorate,40 years

/s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr.

Dir., 48 years

/s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years

/s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years

/s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years

/s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years/s/ Frank Van

Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years

/s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini &

Apollo, MOD, 10 years

Yeah --- I know they're not climate scientists. But these are some of best and brightess that NASA has employed. So go ahead and call them "ignorant deniers".. It's obvious to MANY technically trained people how absurd the representations and claims are coming out of GOVT sponsored agencies..

 

[Old Rocks]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

yeah because it's a political issue, it's not science, they doctor evidence and make "mistakes" like it's gonna take 100 years, when they forget a zero or two.....

Look you give up your freedom, I'm not, atleast until I see these "leaders" practice what they preach

 

[flacaltenn]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

Until we have academics and institutions that are not paid to FIND A CONNECTION between man-made CO2 and climate change --- then I WILL discount the pre-ordained conclusions of their studies.. Especially when YOU dismiss DOZENS of competent studies showing that the MWPeriod was indeed global for instance..

What is the mission statement for the IPCC for example?? Here --- let me get it for you...

"The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential and options for adaptation and mitigation."

Til that bias and the funding biases are REMOVED _----- you're damn straight ME and the NASA folks in that letter are gonna ignore "your consensus".. Abso-fucking-lutely.

Look at the bright side OldiesRocks... I've given you and Tinkerbelle and Saigon and all of pants-wetting alarmists a whole new list of

"Ignorant, cultist deniers shilling for the oil companies" -- to mock.. Please mock them. And give me a break eh?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

 

[flacaltenn]

Hey O.R. --- Why don't I "give in" to the cadre of consensus??? Why are those NASA pioneers EMBARASSED by their agencies' pandering to man-made warming?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Did you read the comments section?

Peoplea re attacking these folks as shills for the oil industry essentially.

This is why warmer kooks are funny. it's religion, not science for them.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

About time!

The AGW Cultists need to be booted from every college and University

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

Posting stuff from the Weather Channel and saying, "See that?! Manmade global warming!" is not science

 

[Old Rocks]

OK, Flatulance, and the rest of you silly asses, name me one National Academy of Science that does not state that AGW is real? Even that of outer Slobovia is acceptable. LOL

How about one Scientific Society, from any nation on Earth, that states AGW is not real?

A major University?

So what you fools are stating is that there exists a gigantic conspiracy among allmost all the scientists in the world to fool your silly little asses.

Oh, where is my little tin hat, little tin hat.........................................

What a pathetic bunch of ignoramouses you are.

 

[Old Rocks]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

Posting stuff from the Weather Channel and saying, "See that?! Manmade global warming!" is not science

From the largest scientific society in the world, the American Institute of Physics;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

Posting stuff from the Weather Channel and saying, "See that?! Manmade global warming!" is not science

From the largest scientific society in the world, the American Institute of Physics;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

Where's the experimental evidence?

 

[Old Rocks]

About time!

The AGW Cultists need to be booted from every college and University

LOL. And who are you going to have to teach science? A bunch of holy roller preachers? People as bone ignorant as you?

 

[Old Rocks]

Posting stuff from the Weather Channel and saying, "See that?! Manmade global warming!" is not science

From the largest scientific society in the world, the American Institute of Physics;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

Where's the experimental evidence?

Read the article, dumb ass.

 

[flacaltenn]

Did you read the comments section?

Peoplea re attacking these folks as shills for the oil industry essentially.

This is why warmer kooks are funny. it's religion, not science for them.

Oh WAIT... THere's MORE.. I missed the attack on the original website, but I knew I needed a corroborating story about the NASA letter so I went to the HUFFPOST.. They covered the story.. BUT ---- they REMOVED all of the public comments about the story and replaced it with an editorial comment that they were deluged by 100s of glowing comments by skeptics and that ------ (as best I can remember)

: The Huff Post FULLY ENDORSES the concept of Anthropogenic Climate Change and cites the OVERWHELMING consensus of science on the subject. And tho this letter represents a significant list of scientists --- we chose to delete ALL OF THE COMMENTS because we were deluged with skeptics.. ::

Close enough.. You can go read this Stalinistic piece of censorship and purging and read it for yourself.

Don't know whether all that is funny or tragic....

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey O.R. --- Why don't I "give in" to the cadre of consensus??? Why are those NASA pioneers EMBARASSED by their agencies' pandering to man-made warming?

I suppose because science mentally challenges you.

 

[SillyWabbit]

Did you read the comments section?

Peoplea re attacking these folks as shills for the oil industry essentially.

This is why warmer kooks are funny. it's religion, not science for them.

They would be funny, except that people with power act on their bizarro notions and pass legislation like AB32 in California. Scwharzenegger gets to make something of a name for himself--other than Scumbag--and the rest of us pay the price.

I'm telling you, the lunatics run the asylum.

 

[flacaltenn]

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?

Posting stuff from the Weather Channel and saying, "See that?! Manmade global warming!" is not science

From the largest scientific society in the world, the American Institute of Physics;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

I have asked you for clarification on pieces of that crappola link you have now posted 254 times. And NEVER ONCE have you shown an interest in discussing it.. Like how it was ever resolved that increased carbon dioxide should HEAT/COOL the upper reaches of the atmosphere.. Not a yip or yap from you..

But the LARGER point is that you're IMPLYING there's not physicists In the AIP who are skeptics. Gimme a RELIABLE poll of their membership and then we'll talk...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

About time!

The AGW Cultists need to be booted from every college and University

LOL. And who are you going to have to teach science? A bunch of holy roller preachers? People as bone ignorant as you?

AGW is not science

 

[flacaltenn]

OK, Flatulance, and the rest of you silly asses, name me one National Academy of Science that does not state that AGW is real? Even that of outer Slobovia is acceptable. LOL

How about one Scientific Society, from any nation on Earth, that states AGW is not real?

A major University?

So what you fools are stating is that there exists a gigantic conspiracy among allmost all the scientists in the world to fool your silly little asses.

Oh, where is my little tin hat, little tin hat.........................................

What a pathetic bunch of ignoramouses you are.

How about a list of 20 or more PRINCIPAL IPCC scientists who got FED UP with the IPCC biased inquistion and turned on them? Universities take positions on AGW?? There are NO DISSIDENTS allowed? what are you claiming here?

Anyway --- tell it to the guys that got this nation into space. Including 6 astronauts and the former head of JSCenter in Houston... ARE THEY "pathetic ignoramouses"???

Don't think you're living in reality if you attacked these men the way you THINK you can abuse me...