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Major players in the team that got us to the moon and guided our space program for YEARS --- are now embarrassed by the biased science coming out of their former agency.
They recently submitted a signed letter to NASA requesting that the agency abandon their SEVERE position on MAN-MADE global warming..

I welcome them to the team .....

Former NASA Employees Letter on Global Warming | Global Warming Skeptics & Climate Change Science | LiveScience

The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.
NASA Administrator
NASA Headquarters
Washington, D.C. 20546-0001

Dear Charlie,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard Institute for
Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven remarks in public releases and
websites. We believe the claims by NASA and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is
having a catastrophic impact on global climate change are not substantiated,
especially when considering thousands of years of empirical data.

With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from
the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is NOT settled.

The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change is unbecoming of NASAs history of making an objective assessment of all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public statements.

As former NASA employees, we feel that NASAs advocacy of an extreme position, prior
to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers
is inappropriate. We request that NASA refrain from including unproven and
unsupported remarks in its future releases and websites on this subject. At risk is
damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASAs current or former scientists and
employees, and even the reputation of science itself.

For additional information regarding the science behind our concern, we recommend
that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or others they can recommend
to you.

Thank you for considering this request.

Sincerely,

(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science

CC: Ass Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request

for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is

having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

/s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate,

34 years

/s/ Larry Bell JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years

/s/ Dr. Donald Bogard JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years

/s/ Jerry C. Bostick JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years

/s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman JSC, Scientist astronaut, 5 years

/s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41

years

/s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years

/s/ Walter Cunningham JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years

/s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys.,

Engr. Dir., 44 years

/s/ Leroy Day Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years

/s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years

/s/Charles F. Deiterich JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Dr. Harold Doiron JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years

/s/ Charles Duke JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years

/s/ Anita Gale

/s/ Grace Germany JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years

/s/ Ed Gibson JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years

/s/ Richard Gordon JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years

/s/ Gerald C. Griffin JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space

Center, 22 years

/s/ Thomas M. Grubbs JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31

years

/s/ Thomas J. Harmon

/s/ David W. Heath JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years

/s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years

/s/ James R. Roundtree JSC Branch Chief, 26 years

/s/ Enoch Jones JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years

/s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life

Sciences, 22 years

/s/ Jack Knight JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40

years

/s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson

Space Center, 24 years

/s/ Paul C. Kramer JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div.,

Egr. Dir., 34 years

/s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen

/s/ Dr. Lubert Leger JSC, Asst. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30

years

/s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs,

40 years

/s/ Donald K. McCutchen JSC, Project Engineer Space Shuttle and ISS Program

Offices, 33 years

/s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station

Program, 28 years

/s/ Dr. George Mueller Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years

/s/ Tom Ohesorge

/s/ James Peacock JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years

/s/ Richard McFarland JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years

/s/ Joseph E. Rogers JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr.

Directorate,40 years

/s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr.

Dir., 48 years

/s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years

/s/ Gerard C. Shows JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years

/s/ Kenneth Suit JSC, Asst Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years

/s/ Robert F. Thompson JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years/s/ Frank Van

Renesselaer Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years

/s/ Dr. James Visentine JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years

/s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini &

Apollo, MOD, 10 years
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Yeah --- I know they're not climate scientists. But these are some of best and brightess that NASA has employed. So go ahead and call them "ignorant deniers".. It's obvious to MANY technically trained people how absurd the representations and claims are coming out of GOVT sponsored agencies..
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Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?
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Old Rocks said: ↑

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?
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yeah because it's a political issue, it's not science, they doctor evidence and make "mistakes" like it's gonna take 100 years, when they forget a zero or two.....

Look you give up your freedom, I'm not, atleast until I see these "leaders" practice what they preach
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Old Rocks said: ↑

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?
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Until we have academics and institutions that are not paid to FIND A CONNECTION between man-made CO2 and climate change --- then I WILL discount the pre-ordained conclusions of their studies.. Especially when YOU dismiss DOZENS of competent studies showing that the MWPeriod was indeed global for instance..

What is the mission statement for the IPCC for example?? Here --- let me get it for you...

"The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential and options for adaptation and mitigation."
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Til that bias and the funding biases are REMOVED _----- you're damn straight ME and the NASA folks in that letter are gonna ignore "your consensus".. Abso-fucking-lutely.

Look at the bright side OldiesRocks... I've given you and Tinkerbelle and Saigon and all of pants-wetting alarmists a whole new list of

"Ignorant, cultist deniers shilling for the oil companies" -- to mock.. Please mock them. And give me a break eh?
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Hey O.R. --- Why don't I "give in" to the cadre of consensus??? Why are those NASA pioneers EMBARASSED by their agencies' pandering to man-made warming?
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Did you read the comments section?

Peoplea re attacking these folks as shills for the oil industry essentially.

This is why warmer kooks are funny. it's religion, not science for them.
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About time!

The AGW Cultists need to be booted from every college and University
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Old Rocks said: ↑

Care to match that with all the scientists in the Earth Science disciplines that are directly observing the consequences of AGW?
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Posting stuff from the Weather Channel and saying, "See that?! Manmade global warming!" is not science
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OK, Flatulance, and the rest of you silly asses, name me one National Academy of Science that does not state that AGW is real? Even that of outer Slobovia is acceptable. LOL

How about one Scientific Society, from any nation on Earth, that states AGW is not real?

A major University?

So what you fools are stating is that there exists a gigantic conspiracy among allmost all the scientists in the world to fool your silly little asses.

Oh, where is my little tin hat, little tin hat.........................................

What a pathetic bunch of ignoramouses you are.

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