Nanny State: Parents Charged For Bringing Kids To School Late...

[Dr Grump]

They are charged under the state’s compulsory education law, §22.1-254, which says parents have to send their kids to school “for the same number of days and hours per day” as school is in session.

So, if a child is sick, and misses 2 days of school, the parents can be charged with a crime.

Nice.

Two words: "Common Sense".


Ah, forgedaboutit - you're a conservative....

 

[Luddly Neddite]

And only a conservative could say that expecting a parent to be responsible for his kids is "nazi"-like.

Sheesh.

Just when I think I've heard everything. And, from a pretend libertarian/conservative at that.

 

[LibertyForAll]

The school has the right to set rules. That being said if this goes to trial its ludicrous. Suspend the kids or kick them out and force the parents to home school them or find another school. We don't really need government involvement here. What's next? Charging parents with child abuse for sending too many bologna sandwiches in a 3 month span?

 

[Full-Auto]

Judge sets trial date in Loudoun school-tardiness case.


Amy and Mark Denicore are headed to a full-blown trial to defend themselves against charges that they violated Virginia law by making their kids late to elementary school too often.

The Loudoun County couple was arraigned Monday morning in juvenile and domestic relations court. Judge Pamela L. Brooks set a trial date of March 14.

The Denicores are each charged with three Class 3 misdemeanors, each of which carries a maximum fine of $500. Their three children, ages 6, 7 and 9, have been late to school almost 30 times since September. Most of their tardies were three minutes or less.

Their case has sparked debate about whether the school system is overreacting to a minor offense or rightly clamping down on a habit that’s disruptive to teachers and other students.

The Denicores — both of whom are trained as lawyers — argue that whatever one’s opinion of their parenting, the county has no legal authority to convict them of a crime.

They are charged under the state’s compulsory education law, §22.1-254, which says parents have to send their kids to school “for the same number of days and hours per day” as school is in session.

Another statute, §22.1-258, clearly spells out how school systems must proceed in the case of chronic absences when there is “no indication that the pupil’s parent is aware of and supports the pupil’s absence.” Neither statute specifically addresses tardiness.

The Denicores said they will move on March 14 to have their case dismissed. If it proceeds, they plan to subpoena a handful of witnesses to testify, including their kids’ teachers and principal.

In court Monday, Brooks told the couple that similar trials are generally scheduled for 12-15minutes, but there is no time limit for arguments.

Judge sets trial date in Loudoun school-tardiness case - Virginia Schools Insider - The Washington Post
DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

Most of their tardies were three minutes or less.


Nanny state indeed.

 

[Conservative]

Oh, I wouldn't call Paulie a conservative.

How about Conservative? Is he a conservative?

Yes, but I question his assumption that someone will be arrested for their kid being sick for two days.

I am not making any assumption that anyone WILL be arrested. I am pointing out that based on the information given ion the OP, it's possible. Please reread my last post.

 

[Conservative]

They are charged under the state’s compulsory education law, §22.1-254, which says parents have to send their kids to school “for the same number of days and hours per day” as school is in session.

So, if a child is sick, and misses 2 days of school, the parents can be charged with a crime.

Nice.

Two words: "Common Sense".


Ah, forgedaboutit - you're a conservative....

the kids in the OP miss LESS time than my example & the parents get charged with a crime under 22.1-254 which says parents have to send their kids to school “for the same number of days and hours per day” as school is in session... and you want to whine about common sense?

 

[Zoom-boing]

How the hell is it hard to get your kids to school on time? If what you're doing isn't working, change it. Get up 20 mins earlier, make lunches the night before, whatever. 30 times since Sept is bullshit. If they can get there 'a few minutes late' they can get there on time.

Having said that . . . to charge the parents with a crime because of this is bullshit. Fine them $500 and I guarantee you those kids will be on time from now on.

 

[lawfulrevolt]

Amy and Mark Denicore are headed to a full-blown trial to defend themselves against charges that they violated Virginia law by making their kids late to elementary school too often.

Considering the fact that the national educational system in the 1990's anticipated lots of high tech jobs, then GATT, a treasons treaty was engaged, which gave all the high tech jobs to China, Korea, and India, while vocational educations of function were all but ended, the schools are not worthy in many ways.

But, not the point here. In the respect I point out, their defense is that they should not send their kids to public school any more than is needed to impart the basic scholastic education, and home schooling or vocational training is what is needed. Our society is messed up by an unconstitutional government. Far too messed up to judge parents in this regard.

 

[chanel]

How the hell is it hard to get your kids to school on time? If what you're doing isn't working, change it. Get up 20 mins earlier, make lunches the night before, whatever. 30 times since Sept is bullshit. If they can get there 'a few minutes late' they can get there on time.

Having said that . . . to charge the parents with a crime because of this is bullshit. Fine them $500 and I guarantee you those kids will be on time from now on.

It is a fine. They refuse to pay it and want a trial.

The Denicores are each charged with three Class 3 misdemeanors, each of which carries a maximum fine of $500. Their three children, ages 6, 7 and 9, have been late to school almost 30 times since September.

30 times since September? It sounds like these arrogant litigators don't think their children need to comply with the same rules as their classmates.

Those kids will be trouble in HS. I can almost guarantee it.

It amazes me that people believe that following simple, common sense school rules is Nazi-like. Anarchists would agree.

 

[editec]

There must be some way to blame the teachers' unions for this.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wasting time and money on an issue that should be taken care of by the school yeah that's real intelligent.

And those of you saying that coming to school a few minutes after the first bell is disrupting classes are a little off base.

If the first bell is at 8, don't kids have to get to their lockers, report to their classrooms, have attendance taken all before their first class?

I would think all that takes more than a few minutes.

But hey the cops are being used by ineffectual teachers and school administrators for all kinds of things, like arresting kids for no good reason.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=38214

#1 At one public school down in Texas, a 12-year-old girl named Sarah Bustamantes was recently arrested for spraying herself with perfume.

#2 A 13-year-old student at a school in Albuquerque, New Mexico was recently arrested by police for burping in class.

#3 Another student down in Albuquerque was forced to strip down to his underwear while five adults watched because he had $200 in his pocket. The student was never formally charged with doing anything wrong.

#4 A security guard at one school in California broke the arm of a 16-year-old girl because she left some crumbs on the floor after cleaning up some cake that she had spilled.

#5 One teenage couple down in Houston poured milk on each other during a squabble while they were breaking up. Instead of being sent to see the principal, they were arrested and sent to court.

#6 In early 2010, a 12-year-old girl at a school in Forest Hills, New York was arrested by police and marched out of her school in handcuffs just because she doodled on her desk. "I love my friends Abby and Faith" was what she reportedly scribbled on her desk.

#7 A 6-year-old girl down in Florida was handcuffed and sent to a mental facility after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.

#8 One student down in Texas was reportedly arrested by police for throwing paper airplanes in class.

#9 A 17-year-old honor student in North Carolina named Ashley Smithwick accidentally took her father's lunch with her to school. It contained a small paring knife which he would use to slice up apples. So what happened to this standout student when the school discovered this? The school suspended her for the rest of the year and the police charged her with a misdemeanor.

#10 In Allentown, Pennsylvania a 14-year-old girl was tasered in the groin area by a school security officer even though she had put up her hands in the air to surrender.

#11 Down in Florida, an 11-year-old student was arrested, thrown in jail and charged with a third-degree felony for bringing a plastic butter knife to school.

#12 Back in 2009, an 8-year-old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.

#13 A police officer in San Mateo, California blasted a 7-year-old special education student in the face with pepper spray because he would not quit climbing on the furniture.

#14 In America today, even 5-year-old children are treated brutally by police. The following is from a recent article that described what happened to one very young student in Stockton, California a while back....

Earlier this year, a Stockton student was handcuffed with zip ties on his hands and feet, forced to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and was charged with battery on a police officer. That student was 5 years old.

#15 At one school in Connecticut, a 17-year-old boy was thrown to the floor and tasered five times because he was yelling at a cafeteria worker.

#16 A teenager in suburban Dallas was forced to take on a part-time job after being ticketed for using foul language in one high school classroom. The original ticket was for $340, but additional fees have raised the total bill to $637.

#17 A few months ago, police were called out when a little girl kissed a little boy during a physical education class at an elementary school down in Florida.

#18 A 6-year-old boy was recently charged with sexual battery for some "inappropriate touching" during a game of tag at one elementary school in the San Francisco area.

#19 In Massachusetts, police were recently sent out to collect an overdue library book from a 5-year-old girl.

 

[chanel]

Skull - these are little kids. I taught elementary. You wouldn't believe the tasks the teacher must accomplish in those "minutes". Getting kids settled, taking attendance, lunch orders, bus passes, notes from mom, etc. It is hectic. And one kid's tardiness may not be that disruptive, but imagine if it was 10. If one kid is permitted, why not all?

 

[strollingbones]

Skull - these are little kids. I taught elementary. You wouldn't believe the tasks the teacher must accomplish in those "minutes". Getting kids settled, taking attendance, lunch orders, bus passes, notes from mom, etc. It is hectic. And one kid's tardiness may not be that disruptive, but imagine if it was 10. If one kid is permitted, why not all?

the paperwork takes more than minutes......i cannot abide tardiness....in anyone

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skull - these are little kids. I taught elementary. You wouldn't believe the tasks the teacher must accomplish in those "minutes". Getting kids settled, taking attendance, lunch orders, bus passes, notes from mom, etc. It is hectic. And one kid's tardiness may not be that disruptive, but imagine if it was 10. If one kid is permitted, why not all?

the paperwork takes more than minutes......i cannot abide tardiness....in anyone

So let's take them all to court right?

 

[Seawytch]

Judge sets trial date in Loudoun school-tardiness case.


Amy and Mark Denicore are headed to a full-blown trial to defend themselves against charges that they violated Virginia law by making their kids late to elementary school too often.

The Loudoun County couple was arraigned Monday morning in juvenile and domestic relations court. Judge Pamela L. Brooks set a trial date of March 14.

The Denicores are each charged with three Class 3 misdemeanors, each of which carries a maximum fine of $500. Their three children, ages 6, 7 and 9, have been late to school almost 30 times since September. Most of their tardies were three minutes or less.

Their case has sparked debate about whether the school system is overreacting to a minor offense or rightly clamping down on a habit that’s disruptive to teachers and other students.

The Denicores — both of whom are trained as lawyers — argue that whatever one’s opinion of their parenting, the county has no legal authority to convict them of a crime.

They are charged under the state’s compulsory education law, §22.1-254, which says parents have to send their kids to school “for the same number of days and hours per day” as school is in session.

Another statute, §22.1-258, clearly spells out how school systems must proceed in the case of chronic absences when there is “no indication that the pupil’s parent is aware of and supports the pupil’s absence.” Neither statute specifically addresses tardiness.

The Denicores said they will move on March 14 to have their case dismissed. If it proceeds, they plan to subpoena a handful of witnesses to testify, including their kids’ teachers and principal.

In court Monday, Brooks told the couple that similar trials are generally scheduled for 12-15minutes, but there is no time limit for arguments.

Judge sets trial date in Loudoun school-tardiness case - Virginia Schools Insider - The Washington Post
DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

States have a right to mandate education, therefore there is no constitutional argument here. It appears the parents are going to argue semantics over the word absence being that an absence does not mean tardiness. However, tardiness can be construed as an absence as the children are technically absent during those minutes they are not there.

That said, I don't agree with charging them with a crime. Instead, they should expel the kids for the rest of the semester and make them repeat it. That sounds like a fair solution to me.

Really? Your "fair" solution is to punish the children who can't fucking drive themselves to school? Brilliant.

 

[bodecea]

Wasting time and money on an issue that should be taken care of by the school yeah that's real intelligent.

And those of you saying that coming to school a few minutes after the first bell is disrupting classes are a little off base.

If the first bell is at 8, don't kids have to get to their lockers, report to their classrooms, have attendance taken all before their first class?

I would think all that takes more than a few minutes.

But hey the cops are being used by ineffectual teachers and school administrators for all kinds of things, like arresting kids for no good reason.

19 Crazy Things That School Children Are Being Arrested For In America - informationliberation

#1 At one public school down in Texas, a 12-year-old girl named Sarah Bustamantes was recently arrested for spraying herself with perfume.

#2 A 13-year-old student at a school in Albuquerque, New Mexico was recently arrested by police for burping in class.

#3 Another student down in Albuquerque was forced to strip down to his underwear while five adults watched because he had $200 in his pocket. The student was never formally charged with doing anything wrong.

#4 A security guard at one school in California broke the arm of a 16-year-old girl because she left some crumbs on the floor after cleaning up some cake that she had spilled.

#5 One teenage couple down in Houston poured milk on each other during a squabble while they were breaking up. Instead of being sent to see the principal, they were arrested and sent to court.

#6 In early 2010, a 12-year-old girl at a school in Forest Hills, New York was arrested by police and marched out of her school in handcuffs just because she doodled on her desk. "I love my friends Abby and Faith" was what she reportedly scribbled on her desk.

#7 A 6-year-old girl down in Florida was handcuffed and sent to a mental facility after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.

#8 One student down in Texas was reportedly arrested by police for throwing paper airplanes in class.

#9 A 17-year-old honor student in North Carolina named Ashley Smithwick accidentally took her father's lunch with her to school. It contained a small paring knife which he would use to slice up apples. So what happened to this standout student when the school discovered this? The school suspended her for the rest of the year and the police charged her with a misdemeanor.

#10 In Allentown, Pennsylvania a 14-year-old girl was tasered in the groin area by a school security officer even though she had put up her hands in the air to surrender.

#11 Down in Florida, an 11-year-old student was arrested, thrown in jail and charged with a third-degree felony for bringing a plastic butter knife to school.

#12 Back in 2009, an 8-year-old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.

#13 A police officer in San Mateo, California blasted a 7-year-old special education student in the face with pepper spray because he would not quit climbing on the furniture.

#14 In America today, even 5-year-old children are treated brutally by police. The following is from a recent article that described what happened to one very young student in Stockton, California a while back....

Earlier this year, a Stockton student was handcuffed with zip ties on his hands and feet, forced to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and was charged with battery on a police officer. That student was 5 years old.

#15 At one school in Connecticut, a 17-year-old boy was thrown to the floor and tasered five times because he was yelling at a cafeteria worker.

#16 A teenager in suburban Dallas was forced to take on a part-time job after being ticketed for using foul language in one high school classroom. The original ticket was for $340, but additional fees have raised the total bill to $637.

#17 A few months ago, police were called out when a little girl kissed a little boy during a physical education class at an elementary school down in Florida.

#18 A 6-year-old boy was recently charged with sexual battery for some "inappropriate touching" during a game of tag at one elementary school in the San Francisco area.

#19 In Massachusetts, police were recently sent out to collect an overdue library book from a 5-year-old girl.

Lockers?

 

[bodecea]

Skull - these are little kids. I taught elementary. You wouldn't believe the tasks the teacher must accomplish in those "minutes". Getting kids settled, taking attendance, lunch orders, bus passes, notes from mom, etc. It is hectic. And one kid's tardiness may not be that disruptive, but imagine if it was 10. If one kid is permitted, why not all?

the paperwork takes more than minutes......i cannot abide tardiness....in anyone

So let's take them all to court right?

I believe the parents have asked for court.

 

[Skull Pilot]

the paperwork takes more than minutes......i cannot abide tardiness....in anyone

So let's take them all to court right?

I believe the parents have asked for court.

So then the judge should throw the case out and let it be dealt with in the proper forum, the school.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wasting time and money on an issue that should be taken care of by the school yeah that's real intelligent.

And those of you saying that coming to school a few minutes after the first bell is disrupting classes are a little off base.

If the first bell is at 8, don't kids have to get to their lockers, report to their classrooms, have attendance taken all before their first class?

I would think all that takes more than a few minutes.

But hey the cops are being used by ineffectual teachers and school administrators for all kinds of things, like arresting kids for no good reason.

19 Crazy Things That School Children Are Being Arrested For In America - informationliberation

#1 At one public school down in Texas, a 12-year-old girl named Sarah Bustamantes was recently arrested for spraying herself with perfume.

#2 A 13-year-old student at a school in Albuquerque, New Mexico was recently arrested by police for burping in class.

#3 Another student down in Albuquerque was forced to strip down to his underwear while five adults watched because he had $200 in his pocket. The student was never formally charged with doing anything wrong.

#4 A security guard at one school in California broke the arm of a 16-year-old girl because she left some crumbs on the floor after cleaning up some cake that she had spilled.

#5 One teenage couple down in Houston poured milk on each other during a squabble while they were breaking up. Instead of being sent to see the principal, they were arrested and sent to court.

#6 In early 2010, a 12-year-old girl at a school in Forest Hills, New York was arrested by police and marched out of her school in handcuffs just because she doodled on her desk. "I love my friends Abby and Faith" was what she reportedly scribbled on her desk.

#7 A 6-year-old girl down in Florida was handcuffed and sent to a mental facility after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.

#8 One student down in Texas was reportedly arrested by police for throwing paper airplanes in class.

#9 A 17-year-old honor student in North Carolina named Ashley Smithwick accidentally took her father's lunch with her to school. It contained a small paring knife which he would use to slice up apples. So what happened to this standout student when the school discovered this? The school suspended her for the rest of the year and the police charged her with a misdemeanor.

#10 In Allentown, Pennsylvania a 14-year-old girl was tasered in the groin area by a school security officer even though she had put up her hands in the air to surrender.

#11 Down in Florida, an 11-year-old student was arrested, thrown in jail and charged with a third-degree felony for bringing a plastic butter knife to school.

#12 Back in 2009, an 8-year-old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.

#13 A police officer in San Mateo, California blasted a 7-year-old special education student in the face with pepper spray because he would not quit climbing on the furniture.

#14 In America today, even 5-year-old children are treated brutally by police. The following is from a recent article that described what happened to one very young student in Stockton, California a while back....

Earlier this year, a Stockton student was handcuffed with zip ties on his hands and feet, forced to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and was charged with battery on a police officer. That student was 5 years old.

#15 At one school in Connecticut, a 17-year-old boy was thrown to the floor and tasered five times because he was yelling at a cafeteria worker.

#16 A teenager in suburban Dallas was forced to take on a part-time job after being ticketed for using foul language in one high school classroom. The original ticket was for $340, but additional fees have raised the total bill to $637.

#17 A few months ago, police were called out when a little girl kissed a little boy during a physical education class at an elementary school down in Florida.

#18 A 6-year-old boy was recently charged with sexual battery for some "inappropriate touching" during a game of tag at one elementary school in the San Francisco area.

#19 In Massachusetts, police were recently sent out to collect an overdue library book from a 5-year-old girl.

Lockers?

I had a locker in elementary school.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Judge sets trial date in Loudoun school-tardiness case.


Amy and Mark Denicore are headed to a full-blown trial to defend themselves against charges that they violated Virginia law by making their kids late to elementary school too often.

The Loudoun County couple was arraigned Monday morning in juvenile and domestic relations court. Judge Pamela L. Brooks set a trial date of March 14.

The Denicores are each charged with three Class 3 misdemeanors, each of which carries a maximum fine of $500. Their three children, ages 6, 7 and 9, have been late to school almost 30 times since September. Most of their tardies were three minutes or less.

Their case has sparked debate about whether the school system is overreacting to a minor offense or rightly clamping down on a habit that’s disruptive to teachers and other students.

The Denicores — both of whom are trained as lawyers — argue that whatever one’s opinion of their parenting, the county has no legal authority to convict them of a crime.

They are charged under the state’s compulsory education law, §22.1-254, which says parents have to send their kids to school “for the same number of days and hours per day” as school is in session.

Another statute, §22.1-258, clearly spells out how school systems must proceed in the case of chronic absences when there is “no indication that the pupil’s parent is aware of and supports the pupil’s absence.” Neither statute specifically addresses tardiness.

The Denicores said they will move on March 14 to have their case dismissed. If it proceeds, they plan to subpoena a handful of witnesses to testify, including their kids’ teachers and principal.

In court Monday, Brooks told the couple that similar trials are generally scheduled for 12-15minutes, but there is no time limit for arguments.

Judge sets trial date in Loudoun school-tardiness case - Virginia Schools Insider - The Washington Post
DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

And you have a problem with this?