Name Me One Country! Just One!

[AmericaFirst]

You know, I'm sure, how hard it is to convince people of the detriments of a central bank. My answer ultimately, is merely my opinion, as is everyone's in the case of economics.

I'm a little lost. I thought you were advocating Switzerland as what the OP requested.

It has a fiat money Central Bank, so it will always have a growing government and growing debt.

Here is something you should listen to - it's a bit slow at first but Joan gets down to business http://www.womensgroup.org/audio/tamar081202.mp3,

I have a video clip where she backed Greenspan into a corner at the IMF and made him explain what he coined "Creative Destruction" - Creative Destruction is what the Bankers are doing to America right now.

Greenspan explains Creative Destruction at the IMF

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How about we only Let the Federal Government have the powers that are granted it by our Constitution?

You want more powers? It is simple, create an Amendment and get it past as is required by our Constitution.

The VA, the Education Department, Social Security, Medicare, HUD, ALL welfare programs and a host of others are all Unconstitutional.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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um, Freedonia?

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That has a small de-centralized government and yet has a standard of living anywhere near as high as ours.


Can't do it? Hmmmm...I wonder if that is because they do not exist. Ron Paul cranks sell this hum bug that if you get government "out of the way" the magical markety will provide for everyone. These people are like the communists that think we should do away with the free market. Both are morons!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

How about we only Let the Federal Government have the powers that are granted it by our Constitution?

You want more powers? It is simple, create an Amendment and get it past as is required by our Constitution.

The VA, the Education Department, Social Security, Medicare, HUD, ALL welfare programs and a host of others are all Unconstitutional.

Gunny, how is that?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Constitution assigned to Congress responsibility for organizing the executive and judicial branches, raising revenue, declaring war, and making all laws necessary for executing these powers. The president is permitted to veto specific legislative acts, but Congress has the authority to override presidential vetoes by two-thirds majorities of both houses. The Constitution also provides that the Senate advise and consent on key executive and judicial appointments and on the ratification of treaties.

U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Constitution of the United States

 

[Paulie]

I'm a little lost. I thought you were advocating Switzerland as what the OP requested.

It has a fiat money Central Bank, so it will always have a growing government and growing debt.

Here is something you should listen to - it's a bit slow at first but Joan gets down to business http://www.womensgroup.org/audio/tamar081202.mp3,

I have a video clip where she backed Greenspan into a corner at the IMF and made him explain what he coined "Creative Destruction" - Creative Destruction is what the Bankers are doing to America right now.

Greenspan explains Creative Destruction at the IMF

You're not going to find many good countries that aren't in the Rothschilds' pockets. Out of all of them, I like Switzerland. I like their neutrality, the fact that they're all armed to the teeth with guns and yet gun crime is practically non-existent. That speaks volumes for gun ownership rights.

And I also like the fact that they stayed autonomous and refused to join the EU, in the face of so much outer and inner pressure. Lastly, I like the fact that for the longest time, they kept their government small, and focused on protecting the liberties of their citizens. Somewhat recently they've begun a typical program of spending too much, and it's bit them in the ass. Besides that, it is a great country. For many reasons, I believe it will literally be the last country left standing.

I'm not sure what's so confusing. If we were to simply write off any country that has central banking control, we wouldn't be left with much to choose from. Central banking will facilitate its own death. It's just a matter of time.

 

[AmericaFirst]

You're not going to find many good countries that aren't in the Rothschilds' pockets. Out of all of them, I like Switzerland. I like their neutrality, the fact that they're all armed to the teeth with guns and yet gun crime is practically non-existent. That speaks volumes for gun ownership rights.

And I also like the fact that they stayed autonomous and refused to join the EU, in the face of so much outer and inner pressure. Lastly, I like the fact that for the longest time, they kept their government small, and focused on protecting the liberties of their citizens. Somewhat recently they've begun a typical program of spending too much, and it's bit them in the ass. Besides that, it is a great country. For many reasons, I believe it will literally be the last country left standing.

I'm not sure what's so confusing. If we were to simply write off any country that has central banking control, we wouldn't be left with much to choose from. Central banking will facilitate its own death. It's just a matter of time.

With BIS being in Switzerland, the daddy of the Central Banks, it is designed to be the last country standing. Look at the Power Point presentation at Joan's website. I don't agree with her though. The power center is now being transferred to .....

 

[Orange_Juice]

Switzerland??? Nice try you clowns. It has universal health care and all the other big government programs we have, except a large military industrial complex to weigh it down

 

[Paulie]

With BIS being in Switzerland, the daddy of the Central Banks, it is designed to be the last country standing. Look at the Power Point presentation at Joan's website. I don't agree with her though. The power center is now being transferred to .....

I'll look at it later when I have time. My point is, we either defeat central banking, or be defeated. I don't really care where central banks are transferring power. There's billions of us, and only a few thousand of them. Out of the billions of us, there's probably a couple million (as sad as that ultimately is) that don't have our heads up our asses, and understand what's really going on. So even our assets outnumber them. Central banking will be the death of itself. It's either that, or most of the world is wiped out in massive nuclear war beforehand, in which case we really had no chance to begin with.

 

[Paulie]

Switzerland??? Nice try you clowns. It has universal health care and all the other big government programs we have, except a large military industrial complex to weigh it down

Way to take the high road and debate like an adult.

Care to source "all the other big government programs that we have"? That's quite a claim. You just saying it doesn't make it so.

Besides uni-health, what else is so large about their government?

 

[elvis]

Switzerland??? Nice try you clowns. It has universal health care and all the other big government programs we have, except a large military industrial complex to weigh it down

No, they are weighted down by Nazi gold instead. Socialism won't work in America. too many people would abuse it.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

That has a small de-centralized government and yet has a standard of living anywhere near as high as ours.

I mentioned Switzerland mainly with a decentralized government in mind. With a population of 7.6 million people, they are about the size of Virginia. Norway, Sweden, Belgium, and the Netherlands also have state-sized populations. On top of this, Switzerland's political power is more decentralized then probably any nation in Europe. And yet, we are supposed to believe that it would be a disaster to follow the constitution and let states manage their own affairs.

Why are so many liberals obsessed with centralizing power in Washington D.C., and/or the United Nations, anyhow? Don't you think that makes it far easier for corporate lobbyists to corrupt things, and to keep things out of the hands of the people? The average congressman now has almost 700,000 constituents. As a result of this, running for election is prohibitively expensive. Honest citizens who refuse corporate money simply can't afford to reach 700k of their fellow citizens. Contrast this with say, the cost of running for a seat on the local school board or homeowner's association.

edit: if you are a centralist liberal, do yourself a favor and read some James Kunstler. He is what I would call a decentralist liberal. One of the themes of his books is how a knee-jerk tendency towards centralization has harmed america and ruined our cities.

 

[AmericaFirst]

I'll look at it later when I have time. My point is, we either defeat central banking, or be defeated. I don't really care where central banks are transferring power. There's billions of us, and only a few thousand of them. Out of the billions of us, there's probably a couple million (as sad as that ultimately is) that don't have our heads up our asses, and understand what's really going on. So even our assets outnumber them. Central banking will be the death of itself. It's either that, or most of the world is wiped out in massive nuclear war beforehand, in which case we really had no chance to begin with.

My point is Switzerland is the Headquarters of your Enemy and for some reason you believe it is the antithesis of your enemy- there is a lot more then a couple of millions of us - Take the 1.5 billions of Muslims for example USURY is a SIN - Hence the "War on Terror"

 

[Truthmatters]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

you really stepped in it this time huh?

History of Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They have been doing this since post WWII.

 

[Truthmatters]

File:Sw real gdp growth.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Red Dawn]

I mentioned Switzerland mainly with a decentralized government in mind. With a population of 7.6 million people, they are about the size of Virginia. Norway, Sweden, Belgium, and the Netherlands also have state-sized populations. On top of this, Switzerland's political power is more decentralized then probably any nation in Europe. And yet, we are supposed to believe that it would be a disaster to follow the constitution and let states manage their own affairs.

Why are so many liberals obsessed with centralizing power in Washington D.C., and/or the United Nations, anyhow? Don't you think that makes it far easier for corporate lobbyists to corrupt things, and to keep things out of the hands of the people? The average congressman now has almost 700,000 constituents. As a result of this, running for election is prohibitively expensive. Honest citizens who refuse corporate money simply can't afford to reach 700k of their fellow citizens. Contrast this with say, the cost of running for a seat on the local school board or homeowner's association.

Switzerland would be a nightmare for Ron Paul fans. You really shouldn't have tried to pass it off as a libertarian nirvana.

Unless you believe in a comprehensive social welfare state where the government provides universal subsidized health care, materinty leave, retirement pensions, and long term nursing care.

I though libertarians believed in free markets, and that people should keep their own money and shop for retirement pensions and health care on the open market? Are you really suggesting that libertarians believe in mandated universal health insurance and government retirement pensions?

Despite what you might have read on some libertarian blog, the reality of switzerland is a liberal social welfare state. Orange Juice's question remains unanswered. Where are the countries with small governments that "get out of the way" and let people use their own money to purchase services on the free market?

They don't exist.

And for neutrality and the lack of a military industrial complex, that's something lefties can agree on. Our military industrial complex is an expensive and abhorrant relic of the cold war. I'm totally fine with getting rid of the military industrial complex, and requiring able bodied citizens to train and serve in militias, with government registered military firerarms . Which is what switzerland does.

Neutrality is not a unique hall mark of Ron Paul ideology. Liberal social welfare states like sweden, finland, austria, and switzerland are neutral for historical and geographic reasons. Many lefties would like to see the US become more non-interventionist in the military realm.

 

[AmericaFirst]

I mentioned Switzerland mainly with a decentralized government in mind. With a population of 7.6 million people, they are about the size of Virginia. Norway, Sweden, Belgium, and the Netherlands also have state-sized populations. On top of this, Switzerland's political power is more decentralized then probably any nation in Europe. And yet, we are supposed to believe that it would be a disaster to follow the constitution and let states manage their own affairs.

Why are so many liberals obsessed with centralizing power in Washington D.C., and/or the United Nations, anyhow? Don't you think that makes it far easier for corporate lobbyists to corrupt things, and to keep things out of the hands of the people? The average congressman now has almost 700,000 constituents. As a result of this, running for election is prohibitively expensive. Honest citizens who refuse corporate money simply can't afford to reach 700k of their fellow citizens. Contrast this with say, the cost of running for a seat on the local school board or homeowner's association.

edit: if you are a centralist liberal, do yourself a favor and read some James Kunstler. He is what I would call a decentralist liberal. One of the themes of his books is how a knee-jerk tendency towards centralization has harmed america and ruined our cities.

1) the question in the first place IS BS because what is proposed can't happen without first kicking out the FED money changers

2) get rid of all but Public Funding for elections, no corporations, no PACs, no lobby groups -no corruption

 

[Truthmatters]

I really wish people would study other countrues more in our USA.

This is why republicans hate to spend money on schools.

Any attempt to make schools better is always met with the Idiots statement of "throwing money at the problem".

Like you can effect any good change without spending money.

When their own kid asks for money for college do they tell them "I'm not going to throw money at your problem".

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Switzerland would be a nightmare for Ron Paul fans. You really shouldn't have tried to pass it off as a libertarian nirvana.

I wasn't passing it off as libertarian nirvana. As I explained, I gave it as an example of decentralization. Having governments cover less than 10 million people is pretty decentralized. Would any liberal seriously argue that the nations of europe would be better off abolishing all their programs and having the EU run them? If so, then why do they have such a hard-on for putting all the power in Washington DC?

 

[Truthmatters]

Its not all the power , its things like healthcare, and schools which you knot heads always call BIG Government or the welfare state.