My Wife's Grandparents Were Hiroshima Survivors

[Camp]

The Historical Society, Boston University


http://japanfocus.org/site/view/2501

Kind of impossible to have a genuine discussion on this topic without knowledge of Hasegawa's work. These links provide some insight and the basics. Short reads, but sufficient enough to give you the general thesis.

 

[whitehall]

Any "Truman bomb link" is propaganda designed to cover Truman's ass. Japan was a defeated nation and was desperately trying to negotiate surrender terms with the only US ally who would listen. Unfortunately it was Stalin. Why wouldn't Truman even talk to the government before he authorized two cities to be nuked?

 

[Mad Scientist]

Bump!

 

[strollingbones]

what inhumanity....

 

[Art__Allm]

The reason there was little US media coverage was because Truman and our military KNEW the American people would be appalled by the massacre their government committed. A massacre of civilians, most of whom were women and children. As such, Truman and the military silenced any media coverage of conditions at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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It is a terrible fallacy that the bombs were necessary to avoid more bloodshed and end the war. The Japanese had tried to surrender several times, but thanks to FDR's crazy unconditional surrender, the death and destruction continued unabated.

Good post.

Killing of innocent children is a war crime.

If somebody justifies or rationalises the killing of children, then he is a hater and a supremacists.

If there was a really independent international court after WWII, then Truman, Churchill and Stalin, and also their predecessors and the people who manipulated the GB and USA into unnecessary World Wars (wars are always good for banksters) would have been sued like other war criminals.

These wars were not in the interest of the majority of Brits, who lost their Empire, and today USA is going down the drain because of the influence of the Military -Industrial - Complex, that was built during the WWI and WWII by the financial elite of the USA.

Pat Buchanan has written a very good book about the demise of the USA and the West, which is due to this events.

And Churchill even admitted after WWII in his Fulton Speech in 1946, that it was very easy to prevent WWII.

If the elite of GB and USA wanted to prevent WWII, there would be no war, no millions of dead Europeans, and the West would still be the leading power in the world.

Amazon.com Churchill Hitler and The Unnecessary War How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World 9780307405166 Patrick J. Buchanan Books

 

[namvet]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

 

[gipper]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

 

[namvet]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

 

[gipper]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

Yeah...war is something we humans seem to love, but only because many like you are duped into fighting wars for the power elite. You are the cannon fodder the power elite greatly appreciate.

 

[namvet]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

Yeah...war is something we humans seem to love, but only because many like you are duped into fighting wars for the power elite. You are the cannon fodder the power elite greatly appreciate.

well somebody has to keep you cowards and pussys safe

 

[gipper]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

Yeah...war is something we humans seem to love, but only because many like you are duped into fighting wars for the power elite. You are the cannon fodder the power elite greatly appreciate.

well somebody has to keep you cowards and pussys safe

Safe? Really? Killing innocents keeps us safe...I think not.

 

[namvet]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

Yeah...war is something we humans seem to love, but only because many like you are duped into fighting wars for the power elite. You are the cannon fodder the power elite greatly appreciate.

well somebody has to keep you cowards and pussys safe

Safe? Really? Killing innocents keeps us safe...I think not.

your an idiot. a box a rocks has a higher IQ than you kid. you don't shit from shinola about the real world. so just stay under your momma's skirt.

 

[Unkotare]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

Yeah...war is something we humans seem to love, but only because many like you are duped into fighting wars for the power elite. You are the cannon fodder the power elite greatly appreciate.

well somebody has to keep you cowards and pussys safe

The both of you are sides of a coin.

 

[bodecea]

I heard this morning that the Japanese don't even teach what happened in WW2 in school so most of their citizens don't know what atrocities they committed.

Well, that's not surprising....there are those in this country who don't want the same. Southern states would fire teachers who didn't go along with the "Lost Cause" story of the Civil War.

 

[gipper]

as usual a lot of Monday morning QB's here

Yeah...we shouldn't judge the actions of corrupt lying politicians in war time, after the fact.

A nice way of letting them off the hook, so they can do it again.

junior they were fighting wars long before you were born. and they'll be fighting wars long after you and and everyone alive on this earth is dead and long gone. deal with it. you have no choice

Yeah...war is something we humans seem to love, but only because many like you are duped into fighting wars for the power elite. You are the cannon fodder the power elite greatly appreciate.

well somebody has to keep you cowards and pussys safe

The both of you are sides of a coin.

Yep...like war and peace.

 

[Mad Scientist]

bump

 

[Unkotare]

It's interesting to note that there really was little or no media coverage of the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki radiation sickness. There is an interesting book by Pulitzer Prize winner George Weller called "First into Nagasaki". The book was compiled after Weller's death by his son who found the carbon copies of his accounts in Nagasaki shortly after the Japanese Surrender. Weller was working for the A.P. at the time and all his stories had to go through MacArthur's staff for approval before being sent to the A.P. Weller didn't even know it at the time but Mac's people spiked every single story and nothing got out. MacArthur had a little kingdom going in Japan and he was the de-facto Japanese ruler.

Really now?

The reason there was little US media coverage was because Truman and our military KNEW the American people would be appalled by the massacre their government committed. A massacre of civilians, most of whom were women and children. As such, Truman and the military silenced any media coverage of conditions at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Truman was warned not to drop those terrible bombs on a defenseless nation by many in his administration and military, including Eisenhower and MacArthur. But, he wanted to frighten the thug, Stalin (like killing innocents on a vast scale would ever frighten him...Truman was a racist fool, but just as dumb as FDR).

It is a terrible fallacy that the bombs were necessary to avoid more bloodshed and end the war. The Japanese had tried to surrender several times, but thanks to FDR's crazy unconditional surrender, the death and destruction continued unabated.

It's true. FDR was a stroke victim and a virtual corpse during the latter days of WW2 so who was running the government? Crazies like Morganthau were around but the generals were in charge and the generals were pissed and they didn't really care for the Marine Corps. When Truman woke up on morning and found out that he was president he didn't have a clue. The Military was in charge and by God they were going to drop the Big One no matter what.

Not accurate. Many generals including Ike and MacArthur told Truman not to drop the bombs. Others in his administration voiced negative opinions...knowing full well Japan was defenseless. Truman was solely responsible for the war crime.

Truman dropped them because he wanted to control Stalin and show the world our power. But also, he was a terrible racist who hated the Japanese...thinking them less than human. Most ironic considering he claimed to be a devout Christian.

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[harmonica]

Mr. Seikitchi Uehara and Mrs. Matsu Uehara shown here with my wife at the nursing home in Okinawa where Grandma spent her last days as the effects of Dementia set in.

Grandpa was an Engineer who was, believe it or not, too small to serve in The Emperors Army so put his Engineer degree to work designing Aircraft for the Army. He said he helped design a few Kamikaze planes but wouldn't ever elaborate and even though I'm an Airplane Nut, I never pushed the subject. He did say, and I agreed, that it was the F6F Hellcat that turned the tide of the War in the Pacific.

He and his wife were in Hiroshima to attend a work related meeting of sorts. As fate would have it, on August 6th he wasn't feeling so good so he decided to take the day off and stay in their small apartment on the outskirts of Hiroshima.

That morning Grandma saw the B-29 fly over and witnessed the ensuing mushroom cloud. The next day Grandpa walked into the city and witnessed the devastation first hand. He said it was "Hell on Earth".

He never complained about anything that happened during the war or the nuclear bombs. He just said "It had to happen. Japan was never going to give up".

Both He and his Wife were designated Living National Treasures by the Gov't of Japan and were interviewed numerous times by various agencies and publications over the years. They both lived into their 90's in spite of the radiation effects of the bombing.

Here we are in the house that he built in Okinawa using Japanese Joinery Techniques where not as single nail was used!

the F6F was not around during the Coral Sea and Midway battles
and after those battles, not around during the critical battle of Guadalcanal
NO--the F6F did not turn the tide of the war --jesus christ--that's ridiculous

 

[harmonica]

It's interesting to note that there really was little or no media coverage of the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki radiation sickness. There is an interesting book by Pulitzer Prize winner George Weller called "First into Nagasaki". The book was compiled after Weller's death by his son who found the carbon copies of his accounts in Nagasaki shortly after the Japanese Surrender. Weller was working for the A.P. at the time and all his stories had to go through MacArthur's staff for approval before being sent to the A.P. Weller didn't even know it at the time but Mac's people spiked every single story and nothing got out. MacArthur had a little kingdom going in Japan and he was the de-facto Japanese ruler.

Really now?

The reason there was little US media coverage was because Truman and our military KNEW the American people would be appalled by the massacre their government committed. A massacre of civilians, most of whom were women and children. As such, Truman and the military silenced any media coverage of conditions at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Truman was warned not to drop those terrible bombs on a defenseless nation by many in his administration and military, including Eisenhower and MacArthur. But, he wanted to frighten the thug, Stalin (like killing innocents on a vast scale would ever frighten him...Truman was a racist fool, but just as dumb as FDR).

It is a terrible fallacy that the bombs were necessary to avoid more bloodshed and end the war. The Japanese had tried to surrender several times, but thanks to FDR's crazy unconditional surrender, the death and destruction continued unabated.

It's true. FDR was a stroke victim and a virtual corpse during the latter days of WW2 so who was running the government? Crazies like Morganthau were around but the generals were in charge and the generals were pissed and they didn't really care for the Marine Corps. When Truman woke up on morning and found out that he was president he didn't have a clue. The Military was in charge and by God they were going to drop the Big One no matter what.

Not accurate. Many generals including Ike and MacArthur told Truman not to drop the bombs. Others in his administration voiced negative opinions...knowing full well Japan was defenseless. Truman was solely responsible for the war crime.

Truman dropped them because he wanted to control Stalin and show the world our power. But also, he was a terrible racist who hated the Japanese...thinking them less than human. Most ironic considering he claimed to be a devout Christian.

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now Truman is a racist for trying to end the war the JAPANESE started??

EVERYONE is RACIST
racist here racist there

 

[regent]

I'm sure most people have seen pictures of VJ day taken in America when the Japanese surrendered. The American people look very guilty in those pictures and were probably asking how could Truman have done that to those innocent Japanese?