My take on last night's debate

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    1. Obama showed up this time, and did very well.

    2. Romney did another fine job, about the same as last time.

    3. I thought Romney flubbed a chance to nail Obama on the Benghazi attack, should've asked him why his administration continued to put out the fiction about the video being the cause long after everyone else knew it wasn't true. I expect this will come up in the 3rd debate, and Romney will do a better job.

    4. Never ask your opponent a question when you're on the clock, as Romney did a couple times. That gives your opponent a chance to talk on your dime, and Obama obliged. I'm thinking about the issue of investments in China, Romney blew another chance to go at Obama for the poor business climate here.

    5. Crowley fucked up, giving support to the president when she was supposed to be unbiased, on the question of the Benghazi attack being a terrorist attack. Shoulda kept her mouth shut and let them fight it out.

    6. I'd give this one to Obama by 5 points, mostly cuz Romney missed some chances to go after him. Was wondering how the female voters felt about it, were they turned off by both candidates enough to decide not to vote for either one? Obviously the committed ones will vote for their guy anyway, but what about the uncommitted ones?

    7. Don't know if this debate swayed many independent voters one way or the other, but I'm pretty sure Obama's base is feeling much better today. And Romney's base maybe not quite so cocky. Be interesting to see what the polls show a few days down the road, after people have had time to digest it all.
     
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    Good assessment, I agree with several of your points. Romney had some flubs, and I give the debate to Obama too.
     
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    I agree mostly, except that I think the debate swept the undecideds into the Romney camp. Obama fired up his base, at the expense of the undecideds and the middle.
     
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    Right now all Romney has to do is tread water in the final debate, and the overall outcome of the debates (including the VP one) will be a net positive for him. How positive will be the effect is what will determine the outcome of the election.

    The primary effect of the debates is really of the Democrats own making. Between the party faithful and the media Obama had this aura of invincibility when it came to debating, an aura that wasnt really warranted, or was overstated in 2008 due to the climate against Bush, and the ability of Democrats to basically bash Bush thier way through the debates. As the incumbent, Obama now has a record to run on, and that record is questionable to say the least.
     
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    WITH the improper and inaccurate "assist" from Crowley, it can be argued that President Obama came in first by a nose. Maybe.

    In practical terms, it was a draw.

    And the President needed a LOT more than a draw.

    Other than that I'd say that I pretty much agree with the OP. And it makes me literally laugh to read the blather from the left that The ONE somehow "won" the debate (much less that he did so decisively).
     
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    Honestly, I think the Crowley stunt will hurt Obama in the long run.

    1. It puts focus on Benghazi
    2. It sets Obama up in the next debate
    3. It reminds the nation of media bias
     
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    Not sure about "swept" but i definitely don't think many undecideds would have decided to go with Obama after that. Obama simply has no defense for "look at the unemployment, the real unemployment, the growth getting less and less since 2008", etc. His only response is to basically say "we know there's work left to be done."
     
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    Obama may have won on stagecraft, but according to the CNN poll, Romney won on all the issues.

    Poll Watch: CNN/ORC 2012 Presidential Debate Survey | Race 4 2012
     
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    Theres another debate? I thought last night was it.
     
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    Yup, monday night, on foreign policy. Gonna have to tape it, my Lions are on MNF. I'm expecting Obama to have some trouble in this one, but it may not matter.
     

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