my brother the marine says DEPLETED URANUIM is harmless

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    he has gotten out last year...he now sits around my moms house in his underwear watching gun videos on youtube getting drunk everynight..

    he informed me that his superiors informed him that DEPLETED URANIUM is harmless..


    is her right? or is it a conspiracy theory to say it is toxic?
     
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    Supposedly sitting in a tank made of Chobham slab which contains DU for a few hours is like getting an xray. So not truely harmful, it would have a minor hazard over long long periods of time.
     
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    interesting..that is the extent of the DU usage? how bout in artillery ?
     
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    Marines did that underwear drinking thingy before depleted uranium even existed.
     
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    DU is used in Chobham Slab and Sabot rounds for Armor Piercing rounds. The A-10 uses 40mm DU rounds. Like getting hit with a milk bottle of that stuff. Plus, kinetic impact causes a small burst of radiation that heats the metal. Not radiation dangerous really, but enough to make the nearby area more than uncomfortable.

    At least that's according to the little ( and I do mean little ) information I have on it.
     
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    so this former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project is probably misinformed and my alcholalic e-4 brother was more informened then this former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project ?

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-VkpR-wka8]YouTube - Talk - Dr. Doug Rokke - Depleted Uranium[/ame]
     
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    Dialup. Got the transcript?
     
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    Dr. Doug Rokke, PhD. Dlind49@aol.com wrote:

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    Depleted Uranium Situation Worsens Requiring Immediate Action
    By President Bush, Prime Minister Brown, and Prime Minister Olmert

    Dr. Doug Rokke, PhD. Dlind49@aol.com
    former Director, U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project
    June 11, 2008

    During the summer of 1991, the United States military had
    collected artillery, tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles,
    conventional and unconventional munitions, trucks, etc. at
    Camp Doha in Kuwait. As result of carelessness this weapons
    depot caught fire with consequent catastrophic explosion
    resulting in death, injury, illness and extensive
    environmental contamination from depleted uranium and
    conventional explosives. Recently the emirate of Kuwait
    required the United States Department of Defense to remove
    the contamination. Consequently, over 6,700 tons of
    contaminated soil sand and other residue was collected and
    has been shipped back to the United States for burial by
    American Ecology at Boise Idaho. When Bob Nichols, an
    investigative journalist, and I contacted American Ecology
    we found out that they had absolutely no knowledge of U.S.
    Army Regulation 700-48, U.S. Army PAM 700-48, U.S. Army
    Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, and all of the medical orders
    dealing with depleted uranium contamination, environmental
    remediation procedures, safety, and medical care . They had
    never heard of U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
    guidelines for dealing with mixed – hazardous waste such as
    radioactive materials and conventional explosives
    byproducts. (reference "Approaches for the Remediation of
    Federal Facility Sites Contaminated with Explosives or
    Radioactive Wastes", EPA/625/R-93/013, September 1993). The
    shipment across the ocean, unloading at Longview,
    Washington State port, transport by rail, and burial in
    Idaho endangers not only the residents of these areas but
    poses a significant agricultural threat through introduction
    of pests, microbes, etc. foreign to our nation.

    Sadly the known adverse health and environmental hazards
    from uranium weapons contamination are in our own backyard.
    The EPA has listed the former Nuclear Metals- Starmet
    uranium weapons manufacturing site in Concord Ma. On EPA’s
    Superfund National Priority List because it poses a
    significant risk to public health and the environment.
    Consequently the community in which our nation was born on
    April 18, 1775 is now the location of America’s own closed
    dirty bomb factory that will endanger the health and safety
    of the descendants of our original patriots- “the
    Minutemen”.

    The previous delivery of at least 100 GBU 28 bunker busters
    bombs containing depleted uranium warheads by the United
    States and their use by Israel against Lebanese targets has
    resulted in additional radioactive and chemical toxic
    contamination with consequent adverse health and
    environmental effects throughout the middle east. Israeli
    tank gunners are also using depleted uranium tank rounds as
    photographs verify.

    Today, U.S., British, and now Israeli military personnel are
    using illegal uranium munitions- America's and England's
    own "dirty bombs" while U.S. Army, U.S. Department of
    Energy, U.S. Department of Defense, and British Ministry of
    Defence officials deny that there are any adverse health and
    environmental effects as a consequence of the manufacture,
    testing, and/or use of uranium munitions to avoid liability
    for the willful and illegal dispersal of a radioactive toxic
    material - depleted uranium.

    The use of uranium weapons is absolutely unacceptable, and a
    crime against humanity. Consequently the citizens of the
    world and all governments must force cessation of uranium
    weapons use. I must demand that Israel now provide medical
    care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU
    contamination.

    U.S. and British officials have arrogantly refused to comply
    with their own regulations, orders, and directives that
    require United States Department of Defense officials to
    provide prompt and effective medical care to "all" exposed
    individuals. Reference: Medical Management of Unusual
    Depleted Uranium Casualties, DOD, Pentagon, 10/14/93,
    Medical Management of Army personnel Exposed to Depleted
    Uranium (DU) Headquarters, U.S. Army Medical Command 29
    April 2004, and section 2-5 of U.S. Army Regulation 700-48.
    Israeli officials must not do so now.



    They also refuse to clean up dispersed radioactive
    Contamination as required by Army Regulation- AR 700-48:
    "Management of Equipment Contaminated With Depleted Uranium
    or Radioactive Commodities" (Headquarters, Department Of The
    Army, Washington, D.C., September 2002) and U.S. Army
    Technical Bulletin- TB 9-1300-278: "Guidelines For Safe
    Response To Handling, Storage, And Transportation Accidents
    Involving Army Tank Munitions Or Armor Which Contain
    Depleted Uranium" (Headquarters, Department Of The Army,
    Washington, D.C., JULY 1996). Specifically section 2-4 of
    United States Army Regulation-AR 700-48 dated September 16,
    2002 requires that:
    (1) "Military personnel "identify, segregate, isolate,
    secure, and label all RCE" (radiologically contaminated
    equipment).

    (2) "Procedures to minimize the spread of radioactivity will
    be implemented as soon as possible."

    (3) "Radioactive material and waste will not be locally
    disposed of through burial, submersion, incineration,
    destruction in place, or abandonment" and

    (4) "All equipment, to include captured or combat RCE, will
    be surveyed, packaged, retrograded, decontaminated and
    released IAW Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, DA PAM 700-48"
    (Note: Maximum exposure limits are specified in Appendix F).

    DOD leaders are not showing the DU training tapes to
    military personnel. These three video tapes: (1) "Depleted
    Uranium Hazard Awareness", (2) "Contaminated and Damaged
    Equipment Management", and (3) "Operation of the AN/PDR 77
    Radiac Set" are essential to understanding the hazards from
    the use of uranium weapons and management of uranium weapons
    contamination. DOD leaders must show these tapes to all
    military personnel involved in the use of uranium weapons
    and the consequent management of uranium contamination.

    The previous and current use of uranium weapons, the release
    of radioactive components in destroyed U.S. and foreign
    military equipment, and releases of industrial, medical,
    research facility radioactive materials have resulted in
    unacceptable exposures. Therefore, decontamination must be
    completed as required by U.S. Army Regulation 700-48 and
    should include releases of all radioactive materials
    resulting from military operations.

    The extent of adverse health and environmental effects of
    uranium weapons contamination is not limited to combat zones
    in the Balkans, Iraq, and Afghanistan but includes
    facilities and sites where uranium weapons were manufactured
    or tested including Vieques; Puerto Rico; Colonie, New
    York; Concord, MA; Jefferson Proving Grounds, Indiana; and
    Schofield Barracks, Hawaii. Therefore medical care must be
    provided by the United States Department of Defense
    officials to all individuals affected by the manufacturing,
    testing, and/or use of uranium munitions. Thorough
    environmental remediation also must be completed without
    further delay.



    I am amazed that fifteen years after was I asked to clean up
    the initial DU mess from Gulf War 1 and over ten years
    since I finished the depleted uranium project that United
    States Department of Defense officials and others still
    attempt to justify uranium munitions use while ignoring
    mandatory requirements. I am dismayed that Department of
    Defense and Department of Energy officials and
    representatives continue personal attacks aimed to silence
    or discredit those of us who are demanding that medical care
    be provided to all DU casualties and that environmental
    remediation is completed in compliance with U.S. Army
    Regulation 700-48. But beyond the ignored mandatory actions
    the willful dispersal of tons of solid radioactive and
    chemically toxic waste in the form of uranium munitions is
    illegal (http://www.traprockpeace.org/karen_parker_du_illegality.pdf
    ) and just does not even pass the common sense test and
    according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, DHS,
    is a dirty bomb. DHS issued "dirty bomb" response
    guidelines,

    Federal Register Contents, Friday, February 12, 2010

    , on January 3, 2006 for incidents within the United States
    but ignore DOD use of uranium weapons and existing DOD
    regulations. These guidelines specifically state that:
    "Characteristics of RDD and IND Incidents: A radiological
    incident is defined as an event or series of events,
    deliberate or accidental, leading to the release, or
    potential release, into the environment of radioactive
    material in sufficient quantity to warrant consideration of
    protective actions. Use of an RDD or IND is an act of
    terror that produces a radiological incident." Thus the use
    of uranium munitions is "an act or terror" as defined by
    DHS. Finally continued compliance with the infamous March
    1991 Los Alamos Memorandum that was issued to ensure
    continued use of uranium munitions can not be justified.

    In conclusion: the President of the United States- George W.
    Bush, the Prime Minister of Great Britain-Gordon Brown, and
    the Prime Minister of Israel Olmert must acknowledge and
    accept responsibility for willful use of illegal uranium
    munitions- their own "dirty bombs"- resulting in adverse
    health and environmental effects.

    President Bush, Prime Minister Brown, and Prime Minister
    Olmert should order:

    1. medical care for all casualties,

    2. thorough environmental remediation,

    3. immediate cessation of retaliation against all of us who
    demand compliance with medical care and environmental
    remediation requirements,

    4. and stop the already illegal the use (UN finding) of
    depleted uranium munitions.
    References- these references are copies the actual
    regulations and orders and other pertinent official
    documents:

    grassrootspeace.org

    Traprock Peace Center - Doug Rokke asks DoD 3 questions on DU

    grassrootspeace.org

    http://www.traprockpeace.org/karen_parker_du_illegality.pdf

    Federal Register Contents, Friday, February 12, 2010

    http://cryptome.org/dhs010306.txt

    Razing urged for waste site - The Boston Globe
    Crews moving contaminated sand from ship to rail

    Photo by David Silverman (Getty Images ) Image 71440735 Getty Images - Unsupported browser detected

    RE: DU ALERT....
    DEPLETED URANIUM ALERT!

    DU ALERT 2 ....
    Depleted Uranium Alert! Part 2

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    yes I'll take your alcoholic brother's word over this activist's.
     
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    hes not an activist..

    hes a career army officer,
    forensic scientist who served in the Vietnam war
    he was assigned to prepare soldiers for exposure to nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. After the war he was appointed by Norman Schwarzkopf as head of a team to investigate the cleaning up of depleted uranium used. Combatants Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) United States of America South Korea Thailand Australia New Zealand the Philippines Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) National Liberation Front (Viet Cong) Strength ~1,200,000 (1968) ~420,000 (1968) Casualties South Vietnamese dead: 230,000 South Vietnamese wounded: 300,000 US dead...

    yea...dont believe him... to bad we cant snort a big line of DU :)
     

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