my brother the marine says DEPLETED URANUIM is harmless

[groupthink]

he has gotten out last year...he now sits around my moms house in his underwear watching gun videos on youtube getting drunk everynight..

he informed me that his superiors informed him that DEPLETED URANIUM is harmless..


is her right? or is it a conspiracy theory to say it is toxic?

 

[Big Fitz]

Supposedly sitting in a tank made of Chobham slab which contains DU for a few hours is like getting an xray. So not truely harmful, it would have a minor hazard over long long periods of time.

 

[groupthink]

Supposedly sitting in a tank made of Chobham slab which contains DU for a few hours is like getting an xray. So not truely harmful, it would have a minor hazard over long long periods of time.

interesting..that is the extent of the DU usage? how bout in artillery ?

 

[dilloduck]

he has gotten out last year...he now sits around my moms house in his underwear watching gun videos on youtube getting drunk everynight..

he informed me that his superiors informed him that DEPLETED URANIUM is harmless..


is her right? or is it a conspiracy theory to say it is toxic?

Marines did that underwear drinking thingy before depleted uranium even existed.

 

[Big Fitz]

DU is used in Chobham Slab and Sabot rounds for Armor Piercing rounds. The A-10 uses 40mm DU rounds. Like getting hit with a milk bottle of that stuff. Plus, kinetic impact causes a small burst of radiation that heats the metal. Not radiation dangerous really, but enough to make the nearby area more than uncomfortable.

At least that's according to the little ( and I do mean little ) information I have on it.

 

[groupthink]

DU is used in Chobham Slab and Sabot rounds for Armor Piercing rounds. The A-10 uses 40mm DU rounds. Like getting hit with a milk bottle of that stuff. Plus, kinetic impact causes a small burst of radiation that heats the metal. Not radiation dangerous really, but enough to make the nearby area more than uncomfortable.

At least that's according to the little ( and I do mean little ) information I have on it.

so this former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project is probably misinformed and my alcholalic e-4 brother was more informened then this former head of the Pentagon's Depleted Uranium Project ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-VkpR-wka8]YouTube - Talk - Dr. Doug Rokke - Depleted Uranium[/ame]

 

[Big Fitz]

Dialup. Got the transcript?

 

[groupthink]

Dialup. Got the transcript?

Dr. Doug Rokke, PhD. [email protected] wrote:

please diitribute this world wide...

Depleted Uranium Situation Worsens Requiring Immediate Action
By President Bush, Prime Minister Brown, and Prime Minister Olmert

Dr. Doug Rokke, PhD. [email protected]
former Director, U.S. Army Depleted Uranium project
June 11, 2008

During the summer of 1991, the United States military had
collected artillery, tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles,
conventional and unconventional munitions, trucks, etc. at
Camp Doha in Kuwait. As result of carelessness this weapons
depot caught fire with consequent catastrophic explosion
resulting in death, injury, illness and extensive
environmental contamination from depleted uranium and
conventional explosives. Recently the emirate of Kuwait
required the United States Department of Defense to remove
the contamination. Consequently, over 6,700 tons of
contaminated soil sand and other residue was collected and
has been shipped back to the United States for burial by
American Ecology at Boise Idaho. When Bob Nichols, an
investigative journalist, and I contacted American Ecology
we found out that they had absolutely no knowledge of U.S.
Army Regulation 700-48, U.S. Army PAM 700-48, U.S. Army
Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, and all of the medical orders
dealing with depleted uranium contamination, environmental
remediation procedures, safety, and medical care . They had
never heard of U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
guidelines for dealing with mixed – hazardous waste such as
radioactive materials and conventional explosives
byproducts. (reference "Approaches for the Remediation of
Federal Facility Sites Contaminated with Explosives or
Radioactive Wastes", EPA/625/R-93/013, September 1993). The
shipment across the ocean, unloading at Longview,
Washington State port, transport by rail, and burial in
Idaho endangers not only the residents of these areas but
poses a significant agricultural threat through introduction
of pests, microbes, etc. foreign to our nation.

Sadly the known adverse health and environmental hazards
from uranium weapons contamination are in our own backyard.
The EPA has listed the former Nuclear Metals- Starmet
uranium weapons manufacturing site in Concord Ma. On EPA’s
Superfund National Priority List because it poses a
significant risk to public health and the environment.
Consequently the community in which our nation was born on
April 18, 1775 is now the location of America’s own closed
dirty bomb factory that will endanger the health and safety
of the descendants of our original patriots- “the
Minutemen”.

The previous delivery of at least 100 GBU 28 bunker busters
bombs containing depleted uranium warheads by the United
States and their use by Israel against Lebanese targets has
resulted in additional radioactive and chemical toxic
contamination with consequent adverse health and
environmental effects throughout the middle east. Israeli
tank gunners are also using depleted uranium tank rounds as
photographs verify.

Today, U.S., British, and now Israeli military personnel are
using illegal uranium munitions- America's and England's
own "dirty bombs" while U.S. Army, U.S. Department of
Energy, U.S. Department of Defense, and British Ministry of
Defence officials deny that there are any adverse health and
environmental effects as a consequence of the manufacture,
testing, and/or use of uranium munitions to avoid liability
for the willful and illegal dispersal of a radioactive toxic
material - depleted uranium.

The use of uranium weapons is absolutely unacceptable, and a
crime against humanity. Consequently the citizens of the
world and all governments must force cessation of uranium
weapons use. I must demand that Israel now provide medical
care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU
contamination.

U.S. and British officials have arrogantly refused to comply
with their own regulations, orders, and directives that
require United States Department of Defense officials to
provide prompt and effective medical care to "all" exposed
individuals. Reference: Medical Management of Unusual
Depleted Uranium Casualties, DOD, Pentagon, 10/14/93,
Medical Management of Army personnel Exposed to Depleted
Uranium (DU) Headquarters, U.S. Army Medical Command 29
April 2004, and section 2-5 of U.S. Army Regulation 700-48.
Israeli officials must not do so now.



They also refuse to clean up dispersed radioactive
Contamination as required by Army Regulation- AR 700-48:
"Management of Equipment Contaminated With Depleted Uranium
or Radioactive Commodities" (Headquarters, Department Of The
Army, Washington, D.C., September 2002) and U.S. Army
Technical Bulletin- TB 9-1300-278: "Guidelines For Safe
Response To Handling, Storage, And Transportation Accidents
Involving Army Tank Munitions Or Armor Which Contain
Depleted Uranium" (Headquarters, Department Of The Army,
Washington, D.C., JULY 1996). Specifically section 2-4 of
United States Army Regulation-AR 700-48 dated September 16,
2002 requires that:
(1) "Military personnel "identify, segregate, isolate,
secure, and label all RCE" (radiologically contaminated
equipment).

(2) "Procedures to minimize the spread of radioactivity will
be implemented as soon as possible."

(3) "Radioactive material and waste will not be locally
disposed of through burial, submersion, incineration,
destruction in place, or abandonment" and

(4) "All equipment, to include captured or combat RCE, will
be surveyed, packaged, retrograded, decontaminated and
released IAW Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, DA PAM 700-48"
(Note: Maximum exposure limits are specified in Appendix F).

DOD leaders are not showing the DU training tapes to
military personnel. These three video tapes: (1) "Depleted
Uranium Hazard Awareness", (2) "Contaminated and Damaged
Equipment Management", and (3) "Operation of the AN/PDR 77
Radiac Set" are essential to understanding the hazards from
the use of uranium weapons and management of uranium weapons
contamination. DOD leaders must show these tapes to all
military personnel involved in the use of uranium weapons
and the consequent management of uranium contamination.

The previous and current use of uranium weapons, the release
of radioactive components in destroyed U.S. and foreign
military equipment, and releases of industrial, medical,
research facility radioactive materials have resulted in
unacceptable exposures. Therefore, decontamination must be
completed as required by U.S. Army Regulation 700-48 and
should include releases of all radioactive materials
resulting from military operations.

The extent of adverse health and environmental effects of
uranium weapons contamination is not limited to combat zones
in the Balkans, Iraq, and Afghanistan but includes
facilities and sites where uranium weapons were manufactured
or tested including Vieques; Puerto Rico; Colonie, New
York; Concord, MA; Jefferson Proving Grounds, Indiana; and
Schofield Barracks, Hawaii. Therefore medical care must be
provided by the United States Department of Defense
officials to all individuals affected by the manufacturing,
testing, and/or use of uranium munitions. Thorough
environmental remediation also must be completed without
further delay.



I am amazed that fifteen years after was I asked to clean up
the initial DU mess from Gulf War 1 and over ten years
since I finished the depleted uranium project that United
States Department of Defense officials and others still
attempt to justify uranium munitions use while ignoring
mandatory requirements. I am dismayed that Department of
Defense and Department of Energy officials and
representatives continue personal attacks aimed to silence
or discredit those of us who are demanding that medical care
be provided to all DU casualties and that environmental
remediation is completed in compliance with U.S. Army
Regulation 700-48. But beyond the ignored mandatory actions
the willful dispersal of tons of solid radioactive and
chemically toxic waste in the form of uranium munitions is
illegal (http://www.traprockpeace.org/karen_parker_du_illegality.pdf
) and just does not even pass the common sense test and
according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, DHS,
is a dirty bomb. DHS issued "dirty bomb" response
guidelines,

Federal Register Contents, Friday, February 12, 2010

, on January 3, 2006 for incidents within the United States
but ignore DOD use of uranium weapons and existing DOD
regulations. These guidelines specifically state that:
"Characteristics of RDD and IND Incidents: A radiological
incident is defined as an event or series of events,
deliberate or accidental, leading to the release, or
potential release, into the environment of radioactive
material in sufficient quantity to warrant consideration of
protective actions. Use of an RDD or IND is an act of
terror that produces a radiological incident." Thus the use
of uranium munitions is "an act or terror" as defined by
DHS. Finally continued compliance with the infamous March
1991 Los Alamos Memorandum that was issued to ensure
continued use of uranium munitions can not be justified.

In conclusion: the President of the United States- George W.
Bush, the Prime Minister of Great Britain-Gordon Brown, and
the Prime Minister of Israel Olmert must acknowledge and
accept responsibility for willful use of illegal uranium
munitions- their own "dirty bombs"- resulting in adverse
health and environmental effects.

President Bush, Prime Minister Brown, and Prime Minister
Olmert should order:

1. medical care for all casualties,

2. thorough environmental remediation,

3. immediate cessation of retaliation against all of us who
demand compliance with medical care and environmental
remediation requirements,

4. and stop the already illegal the use (UN finding) of
depleted uranium munitions.
References- these references are copies the actual
regulations and orders and other pertinent official
documents:

grassrootspeace.org

Traprock Peace Center - Doug Rokke asks DoD 3 questions on DU

grassrootspeace.org

http://www.traprockpeace.org/karen_parker_du_illegality.pdf

Federal Register Contents, Friday, February 12, 2010

http://cryptome.org/dhs010306.txt

Razing urged for waste site - The Boston Globe
Crews moving contaminated sand from ship to rail

Photo by David Silverman (Getty Images ) Image 71440735 Getty Images - Unsupported browser detected

RE: DU ALERT....
DEPLETED URANIUM ALERT!

DU ALERT 2 ....
Depleted Uranium Alert! Part 2

please diitribute this world wide...

 

[Big Fitz]

yes I'll take your alcoholic brother's word over this activist's.

 

[groupthink]

yes I'll take your alcoholic brother's word over this activist's.

hes not an activist..

hes a career army officer,
forensic scientist who served in the Vietnam war
he was assigned to prepare soldiers for exposure to nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. After the war he was appointed by Norman Schwarzkopf as head of a team to investigate the cleaning up of depleted uranium used. Combatants Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam) United States of America South Korea Thailand Australia New Zealand the Philippines Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) National Liberation Front (Viet Cong) Strength ~1,200,000 (1968) ~420,000 (1968) Casualties South Vietnamese dead: 230,000 South Vietnamese wounded: 300,000 US dead...

yea...dont believe him... to bad we cant snort a big line of DU

 

[uscitizen]

Red Bull has DU in it.

 

[Big Fitz]

The hell he isn't. You don't think that he can't have a political agenda, just like you're pushing? If he's advocating plans like this and condemning things, he's got a damn agenda.

You wanna be anti-war, fine. Be anti war. But don't lie about it and come in here all wide eyed and innocent going "oh is this dangerous?" bah! Come in here and state flatly what you were waiting to spring "DU is deadly and we are obligated to stop using it and pay reparations to the rest of the world for having the temerity of having better weapons than you assholes!" And this goober agrees with me or justifies my beliefs because he did this and was that.

jeez... "oh... is this dangerous?" weeping jebus on the cross.

 

[groupthink]

The hell he isn't. You don't think that he can't have a political agenda, just like you're pushing? If he's advocating plans like this and condemning things, he's got a damn agenda.

You wanna be anti-war, fine. Be anti war. But don't lie about it and come in here all wide eyed and innocent going "oh is this dangerous?" bah! Come in here and state flatly what you were waiting to spring "DU is deadly and we are obligated to stop using it and pay reparations to the rest of the world for having the temerity of having better weapons than you assholes!" And this goober agrees with me or justifies my beliefs because he did this and was that.

jeez... "oh... is this dangerous?" weeping jebus on the cross.

how come the pentagon has never been able to use it before?

you are telling me DU is not a toxin and has no side effects?

have you tolld all the veterans that the DU that killed and is killing them is harmless?

with ur dialup bullshit.

 

[Big Fitz]

Aw shit... I didn't realize this was in the conspiracy forum.

You guys are friggen crazy. I'm outta here, for I have no time to waste on you idiots.

 

[groupthink]

Aw shit... I didn't realize this was in the conspiracy forum.

You guys are friggen crazy. I'm outta here, for I have no time to waste on you idiots.

hey...go do a line of DU..then get a nice big glass of tap watter..while ur at it get a double shot of swine flu vaccine..

see you later buddy... drink beer watch the superbowl and be a good american.

 

[hjmick]

DAMN IT FITZ!

You fell into his trap!

 

[groupthink]

DAMN IT FITZ!

You fell into his trap!

he sure as fuck did...hes gone now...he went to go snort a line of DU... its like taking vitamins

 

[candycorn]

he has gotten out last year...he now sits around my moms house in his underwear watching gun videos on youtube getting drunk everynight..

he informed me that his superiors informed him that DEPLETED URANIUM is harmless..


is her right? or is it a conspiracy theory to say it is toxic?

I know this is going to fry that hardwired brain of YOURS but I have uncles and a cousin on both sides that are immediate relations to me who are retired CIA and FBI BOTH

Both my brothers are high ranking U.S. military officers.....

The world isn't so big anymore is it?

Link to above................Political Forum

Strange conincidence...

 

[Rhotel1]

My Marine brother has "informed me that his superiors informed him that DEPLETED URANIUM is harmless.."

is her right? or is it a conspiracy theory to say it is toxic?

Your brother is right. Depleted Uranium is Uranium-238; the use of DU in war time has not had any significant effect on either people or the environment. There is a large cottage industry started by Saddam Hussein's propaganda machine in about 1992 that maintains otherwise. I came to this thread because someone threw in the article that Doug Rokke and Bob Nichols put out to keep Rokke's name in the news when DU containing sand from Kuwait was disposed of in Idaho. Bob Nichols is not an investigative reporter. He has never met a newspaper deadline or dug out a hard to find story. He is Doug Rokke and Leuren K Moret's mouthpiece and he has some connection with the Hunters' Point newspaper San Francisco Bay View. That paper apparently does no fact checking and has no editorial staff. Any paper that actually checks facts would have shown Nichols the door long ago.

What did your brother do in the Marines? Most likely, he had no exposure to DU in any form. That's why he can tell you that it is "harmless".

I have posted a copy of Douglas Lind Rokke's orders to Desert Shield/Storm with the US Army Reserve's 12th Medical Detachment (Preventive Medicine), Beloit, Wisconsin together with Rokke's personnel record from the University of Illinois showing that Rokke was a Physical Science Technical Assistant at that university and the Job Description for the Physical Science Assistant job series to the Internet Archive. Rokke claims to have been a scientist who was personally selected from his University research lab to go clean up the Army's DU mess. In reality, Rokke was closer to a stock room attendant than a research scientist and he was ordered up to fill a vacancy in a unit, not personally hand picked to clean up the Army's DU mess.

I am going to post Rokke's DD-214 Release from Active Duty on July 1, 1991 at Fort McCoy, Wisconsin to the Internet Archive as well. This shows that Rokke was not in Southwest Asia on July 11, 1991 when the fire and explosions shook Camp Doha, Kuwait, the source of this DU contaminated sand that went to Idaho. Rokke tries to claim expertise about this incident but he was not there; he was safe at home in Illinois!

I have been studying the lies and the liars who tell them for the past five years. There is a massive amount of pseudoscientist claims on the internet. It is easy to prove them wrong, just go ask your local college or junior college professors. They can show you that everyone reading this post has DU in their body (yes, we all have U-238 in our bodies and take in a very minute quantity every day of our lives) - it has not harmed any of us and it has nothing to do with the use of depleted uranium kinetic energy penetrators to kill Iraqi and Serbian tanks.

If anyone has any questions, just write me at DUStory-owneratyahoogroupsdotcom

The Rokke documents are at archivedotorgslashdetailsslashTheRealDougRokke-PhysicalScienceTechnicalAssistant

I also note that you appear to be Jewish - you really should read this posting about the Neo Nazi event where Doug Rokke spoke, introduced by the master of ceremonies, Dave Von Kleist who produced Rokke's first video on DU "Beyond Treason" - chairmanofnordwavedotblogspotdotcom - there is a strong Neo Nazi connection to the anti-depleted uranium crusade.

 

[Douger]

he has gotten out last year...he now sits around my moms house in his underwear watching gun videos on youtube getting drunk everynight..

he informed me that his superiors informed him that DEPLETED URANIUM is harmless..


is her right? or is it a conspiracy theory to say it is toxic?

He's a jarhead for Godzsake. That is the highest level of brainwashing given in this country.
It's one step behind Kamikazes and suicide bombers.