My body my right?

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    We hear this from abortion advocates all over the country, but these same people then turn around and want socialized health care so that the government will decide every other decision regarding my health care?

    You can't have it both ways kids.
     
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    Killing a fetus is killing a human being.

    You can't have it both ways, and that's all there is to it. The fetus has different DNA than its mother. That means it is a different person. Your rights over another person end where his or her nose starts.
     
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    I'm opposed to abortion legislation because don't think government should have any sovereignty over the contents of a person's body. It seems insane that people want it to have the kind of control. I oppose socialized medicine for the same reason.
     
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    But if a medical procedure murders a life, society has a moral imperative to stop it.

    Otherwise, what good is the state?

    We need human life to be defined before we go around eradicating it, something Roe vs. Wade incompetently failed to do.

    They had a moral imperative to do so.
     
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    People in favor of human rights don't believe any human should be killed on a whim.
     
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    Legislating morality is a slippery slope ... legislating State control over all children is slipperier ... let's first spend all the money we need to upgrade our foster care system ... and then spend more to test DNA samples and track down the fathers, make them pay their half of the bill ... or throw the fathers in prison if the ages aren't right ...

    Couple of college sophomores, 38 seconds of stupidity ... then the long drive down to Mexico ...

    What about moral outrage towards divorce, affairs, adultery? ... "Until death do we part" is supposed to be more than just words ...
     
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    Not if said "life" is inside another person's body. Then, it's none of society's business.

    It's there to safeguard the rights of people who have already been born.

    It isn't "human life" that's in question, it's legal personhood. They're not the same thing.
     
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    It is the height of hypocrisy for a person to claim they should have control over their own body while denying others the right to ever be able to control theirs.
     
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    " Private Property "

    * Self Ownership Versus Self Determination *
    Since a fetus does not have constitutional protections , a fetus is the private property of the mother from which privacy protections of the constitution follow .

    Now , when it comes to health care , the issue becomes " whose money is it ? " .

    What ever became of the political banter from both parties that health care costs funded by the government needed to be reigned in to mitigate the growing national debt ?

    As the government does not take in premiums and invest them to offset losses , which those opposed to state capitalism ( some forms of socialism and all communism ) do not want bureaucrats to practice , rather than " bleed out the nose " , the affordable care act shifted dealing with private health providers away from government to private insurance providers by negotiating insurance policies offered through exchanges by which individuals between 100% and 400% of the poverty line would only be responsible for no more than some percentage ( progressive up to approximately 4% ) of their total income for the plans .

    The scheme was to change the statistic by which government was obligated to public health care , which is as most expect for themselves when purchasing insurance , to stave off catastrophic expense .

    A problem with health care is that the costs of procedures are all over the map and the private industries ( health care providers and insurers ) are not in the business of minimizing patient costs for procedures or premiums , whereas the government schedules limited those expenditures for government , with private health care providers being obligated to write off the differences .

    The individual mandate was included to prevent those within the 100% to 400% of the poverty line from shirking financial responsibility and optioning to walk into healthcare facilities that reverts management costs and payment back to the government rather than through private insurance providers .
     
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    That's all that really needs to be said on the matter.

    Our political parties are only worried about the growth of government when they're not in power.

    The rest of your post is unintelligible.
     

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