Muslim Family Kicked off of Air Plane!!

[strollingbones]

Leave it to Baba to find fault in the Muslims for doing something that just about ANYONE would do.

Whites? Discuss seating all you want.

Muslims? Shut your fucking mouths you potential shoe bombers.

wasnt he a frenchman?

 

[Paulie]

wasnt he a frenchman?

Are Muslims and the French mutually exclusive or something?

 

[AllieBaba]

Eliminate the Muslims from France and you have a population of about 22.

I think they were right to question them if people were concerned for whatever reason.

 

[Toro]

I don't have a problem with them getting taken off the plane. I have a problem with them not being put back on.

 

[Anguille]

now if we can get Arabs and Muslims to stop assuming American and Israelis are the enemy because of the Palestinian situation....

Better yet, maybe we can get DevNell to stop assuming Arabs and Muslims are assuming Americans and Israelis are the enemy.

 

[Anguille]

WASHINGTON (Jan. 2) - A Muslim family was removed from an airliner Thursday after passengers became concerned about their conversation say AirTran officials refused to rebook them, even after FBI investigators cleared them of wrongdoing.

Atif Irfan said federal authorities removed eight members of his extended family and a friend after passengers heard them discussing the safest place to sit and misconstrued the nature of the conversation.

Irfan, a U.S. citizen and tax attorney, said he was "impressed with the professionalism" of the FBI agents who questioned him, but said he felt mistreated when the airline refused to book the family for a later flight.

AirTran Airways late Thursday said they acted properly and that the family was offered full refunds and can fly with AirTran again.
"AirTran Airways complied with all TSA, law enforcement and Homeland Security directives and had no discretion in the matter," the company said in a prepared statement.

Family members said FBI agents tried to work it out with the airline, but to no avail.

"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," said Inayet Sahin, Irfan's sister-in-law. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused."
"The airline told us that we can't fly their airline," Irfan said.

The dispute occurred about 1 p.m. Thursday as AirTran flight 175 was preparing for takeoff from Reagan National Airport outside of Washington, D.C., on a flight destined for Orlando, Florida.
Atif Irfan, his brother, their wives, a sister and three children were headed to Orlando to meet with family and attend a religious conference.

"The conversation, as we were walking through the plane trying to find our seats, was just about where the safest place in an airplane is," Sahin said. "We were (discussing whether it was safest to sit near) the wing, or the engine or the back or the front, but that's it. We didn't say anything else that would raise any suspicion."

The conversation did not contain the words "bomb," "explosion," "terror" or other words that might have aroused suspicion, Irfan said.
"When we were talking, when we turned around, I noticed a couple of girls kind of snapped their heads," said Sobia Ijaz, Irfan's wife. "I kind of thought to myself, 'Oh, you know, maybe they're going to say something.' It didn't occur to me that they were going to make it such a big issue."

Some time later, while the plane was still at the gate, an FBI agent boarded the plane and asked Irfan and his wife to leave the plane. The rest of the family was removed 15 or 20 minutes later, along with a family friend,

Abdul Aziz, a Library of Congress attorney and family friend who was coincidentally taking the same flight and had been seen talking to the family.
After the FBI interviewed family members, it released them, Irfan said.

AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson said the incident began when some passengers reported hearing suspicious remarks by a woman and alerted flight attendants. Two Federal Air Marshals, who were on board the flight, notified law enforcement about the security-related issue, AirTran said.

After the family and Aziz were taken for questioning, the remaining 95 passengers were taken off of the plane and rescreened, along with the crew and the baggage, AirTran said.
Irfan said he believes his family is owed an apology

"Really, at the end of the day, we're not out here looking for money. I'm an attorney. I know how the court system works. We're basically looking for someone to say... 'We're apologizing for treating you as second-class citizens.'"

"We are proud Americans," Sahin said. "You know we decided to have our children and raise them here. We can very easily go anywhere we want in the world, but you know we love it here and we're not going to go away, no matter what."

Aziz said there is a "very strong possibility" he will pursue a civil rights lawsuit.
"I guess it's just a situation of guilt by association," Aziz said. "They see one Muslim talking to another Muslim and they automatically assume something wrong is going on."

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I wonder what the paranoid moron who reported the supposed family of terrorists is thinking now?
Hopefully they and other people learned something about what happens when you stereotype people and make wild assumptions based on perfectly normal conversations concerning airplane safety.
The anti Muslim bigotry in the US troubles me. If it continues to grow will we start herding them into interment camps like we did to Japanese Americans a few decades ago?

 

[matty]

Jeesh, lots of people wonder where the safest place to sit is in case of a crash.

How incredibly stupid.

...I've never heard anyone talk like that boarding an airplane, much less a large Muslim family.-By that thinking, we'd only be searching/checking Muslims' baggage and persons before boarding. Everyone's subjected to the same scrutiny. I'm sure I read something about a white guy getting booted off about a yr ago for saying the word bomb, and I thought then, how incredibly stupid was he.

If they were going to blow the plane up I don't think a debate on the safest place to sit would save any lives even if they came up with the answer.

...you bring up the one thing I noticed no one did on another board I went to today. But, still, I thought I read in the article the girls who turned them in only overheard it remotely, just enough to catch a couple of alarming words. I thought it was a good sign we're on our toes, you could be caught by one of our youth in this heightened atmosphere of tension.haha

I think it was a pretty good catch, and shows up how afraid people are.

They weren't mistreated, the guy says so himself. I think they're pissed that they were told they can't travel with the airline anymore.

Yup, I agree. Good one, it does illustrate the fact we're on edge just a bit all these yrs later and extending down into our youth. Encouraging.

They should have beaten a confession out of them.Then deported them.

...ah, yes, and it's that kind of even keel response that keeps the idiots at bay from the good sense of the argument in the thread. I see you changed your avatar too, cuz we picked on you a lil, oh c'mon, who was that, Stroll, right?, with the ohellno?--I saw someone else called you Beefy, so hey, it evens out.

I have an acquaintance who cannot board an airline now.

Why?

She doesn't know.

So you know a terrorist?

The fastest horse doesn't always win the race, but it's always the one to put your money on.

Don'tchyou use that sinisterface a lot? Do you have another mood?

Just to be safe, the next time a large family of Muslims boards a plane, they should all discuss where the most dangerous place to sit would be.

...Yeah, it seems logical to me.

Leave it to Baba to find fault in the Muslims for doing something that just about ANYONE would do.

Whites? Discuss seating all you want.

Muslims? Shut your fucking mouths you potential shoe bombers.

I've never heard anyone, not anyone mention any one thing about saftey over recent yrs flying, once they get in that boarding status, no, in my experience anyone WOULD NOT do that, esp not a Muslim family. Only thing I hear white people ever discuss is maybe where they're sitting, but not things in bad taste.

It's an intimate, very quiet atmosphere, sensitive, what we can catch in earshot in there's something from everyone near us. I've always found people in boarding process very aware of that, considerate, even soft spoken, whispery. No one seems to have a desire to stand out.

 

[Modbert]

I already seen this article earlier today.

Can someone say lawsuit? BIG TIME.

 

[Modbert]

Just to be safe, the next time a large family of Muslims boards a plane, they should all discuss where the most dangerous place to sit would be.

On top of the plane?

 

[roomy]

A couple of years ago we boarded a plane to Cyprus for a family vacation accompanied by a 17 year old girl who was a friend of our daughter.We knew she was a nervous flier because she said so and she looked it, quite often bursting into tears in the departure lounge.What we didn't expect was for her during take off to start screaming hysterically, "We are all going to die, the plane is going to crash" and words to that effect.she was eventually calmed down and settled for the rest of the flight.

The reason I mention this is because, I can't help wondering whether the plane would have been turned around, landed and the young girl forcibly removed and interrogated if she had been a Muslim or of swarthy complexion.

 

[roomy]

ohellno[/I]?--I saw someone else called you Beefy, so hey, it evens out.

Oh dear me, I hate feeling the need to explain everything I post or do to those that never seem to 'get' it.
I removed my avatar as part of a long running joke between me and Bones, you obviously didn't see the thread, I would have put it back up but you've ruined the fucking punchline.
Besides, the womenfolk wouldn't leave me alone.

 

[matty]

Oh dear me, I hate feeling the need to explain everything I post or do to those that never seem to 'get' it.
I removed my avatar as part of a long running joke between me and Bones, you obviously didn't see the thread, I would have put it back up but you've ruined the fucking punchline.
Besides, the womenfolk wouldn't leave me alone.

...I got skeels.

 

[Angel Heart]

Jeesh, lots of people wonder where the safest place to sit is in case of a crash.

How incredibly stupid.

Not just in a crash but in case of a bomb. I agree they went over board but I don't even talk about bombs anywhere near an airport.

 

[Ravi]

Not just in a crash but in case of a bomb. I agree they went over board but I don't even talk about bombs anywhere near an airport.

Nor did they, Angel. It's actually posted around the airport that one isn't allowed to discuss bombs.

btw, if there is a bomb I don't imagine there would be a safe place to sit.

 

[editec]

Just to be safe, the next time a large family of Muslims boards a plane, they should all discuss where the most dangerous place to sit would be.

And the Islamic men should probably talk about how excited they are that soon --very soon -- they'll be getting their 72 virgins, too.

Must truly suck to be a recognizable Moslem in this nation, now.

 

[strollingbones]

there is no where safe to sit...on an exploding or crashing plane...

 

[Lycurgus]

How stupid is it for a big mob of Muslims to be discussing the safety of their seats in an airplane?

He doesn't deserve an apology or a seat on the damn plane. Now he knows what it's like to be a Muslim woman. They get shit on all the time.

Hmmm ........... maybe they were purposely being smart-asses trying to get a reatction and got more than they expected!