Muslim Brotherhood in the USA

[bodecea]

Yes it is understood as a muslim you have certain beliefs these beliefs are not bound by facts.

For Islam we will look at Islamic history.
The Khuza tribe was removed the Jurhum tribe for stealing the tributes they lost control over the zamzam and the kaaba. An accumulation of gods to visit for all tribes
Jurhum was a place people passed through they paid tribute in the hajj.

Circumambulating the cube was a pre Islamic ritual.

Every tribe has shrines that were circled,
Al-Uzza was worshiped and circled in the Nakhla shrine.
Manat worshiped and circled by the Aus and Khazraj in Yathrib.

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi :
The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka’bah and say:
By Allat and al-‘Uzza,
And Manah, the third idol besides.
Verily they are the most exalted females
Whose intercession is to be sought.


Fasting the Sabeans fasted for 30 days from night to sunrise,celebrated Eid and prayed for the dead without kneeling.
Mohammaed lifted this ritual whole with one change the sabeans Pages of Seth directed them to pray 7 times a day 5 of which were at the same hours as chosen to be copied by Mohammad.

Islamic rituals from Pre Islamic times. Not from Abraham.

So? Christian beliefs aren't bound by facts either. It's not a requirement.

 

[gekaap]

Yes it is understood as a muslim you have certain beliefs these beliefs are not bound by facts.

For Islam we will look at Islamic history.
The Khuza tribe was removed the Jurhum tribe for stealing the tributes they lost control over the zamzam and the kaaba. An accumulation of gods to visit for all tribes
Jurhum was a place people passed through they paid tribute in the hajj.

Circumambulating the cube was a pre Islamic ritual.

Every tribe has shrines that were circled,
Al-Uzza was worshiped and circled in the Nakhla shrine.
Manat worshiped and circled by the Aus and Khazraj in Yathrib.

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi :
The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka’bah and say:
By Allat and al-‘Uzza,
And Manah, the third idol besides.
Verily they are the most exalted females
Whose intercession is to be sought.


Fasting the Sabeans fasted for 30 days from night to sunrise,celebrated Eid and prayed for the dead without kneeling.
Mohammaed lifted this ritual whole with one change the sabeans Pages of Seth directed them to pray 7 times a day 5 of which were at the same hours as chosen to be copied by Mohammad.

Islamic rituals from Pre Islamic times. Not from Abraham.

In other words, your complaint is that you believe Islam to be a false religion. Okay, fine. But just because YOU don't believe in Islam does not mean that it's not an Abrahamic faith. Stop being so egocentric.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Yes it is understood as a muslim you have certain beliefs these beliefs are not bound by facts.

For Islam we will look at Islamic history.
The Khuza tribe was removed the Jurhum tribe for stealing the tributes they lost control over the zamzam and the kaaba. An accumulation of gods to visit for all tribes
Jurhum was a place people passed through they paid tribute in the hajj.

Circumambulating the cube was a pre Islamic ritual.

Every tribe has shrines that were circled,
Al-Uzza was worshiped and circled in the Nakhla shrine.
Manat worshiped and circled by the Aus and Khazraj in Yathrib.

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi :
The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka’bah and say:
By Allat and al-‘Uzza,
And Manah, the third idol besides.
Verily they are the most exalted females
Whose intercession is to be sought.


Fasting the Sabeans fasted for 30 days from night to sunrise,celebrated Eid and prayed for the dead without kneeling.
Mohammaed lifted this ritual whole with one change the sabeans Pages of Seth directed them to pray 7 times a day 5 of which were at the same hours as chosen to be copied by Mohammad.

Islamic rituals from Pre Islamic times. Not from Abraham.

In other words, your complaint is that you believe Islam to be a false religion. Okay, fine. But just because YOU don't believe in Islam does not mean that it's not an Abrahamic faith. Stop being so egocentric.

I have shown that Islams traditions are pre Islamic , not spawned from the spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.
I have shown it is not possible for Mohammed's blood line to be connected to Abraham .
Mohammad's only real connection to Judaism and Abraham is an attempt to hijack the religion by stealing the names and stories of the OT.

 

[Sunni Man]

I have shown that Islams traditions are pre Islamic , not spawned from the spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.
I have shown it is not possible for Mohammed's blood line to be connected to Abraham .

The only thing you have "shown".

Is how intellectually dishonest you are in your attempts to discredit Islam and Muslims.

 

[gekaap]

I have shown that Islams traditions are pre Islamic , not spawned from the spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.

That's irrelevant. There are many religions and/or denominations that have traditions incorporated into their worship that predate the religion itself. Hell, Christians celebrate Christmas which is largely a holiday of Pagan ritual, such rituals predating Christianity. That doesn't mean that Christianity ceases to be an offshoot of Judaism.

I have shown it is not possible for Mohammed's blood line to be connected to Abraham .

Actually, you've claimed that it was not possible, and have offered nothing in support thereof. But honestly, the historicity of Abraham is largely suspect, with many biblical scholars writing Abraham off as a mythical and literary creation. Furthermore, repeating the false premise that Mohammad has to have blood lineage tying him to Abraham will not make it any more true. It's a false premise, no such lineage is necessary in order for Islam to worship the same god as attributed to Abraham.

Mohammad's only real connection to Judaism and Abraham is an attempt to hijack the religion by stealing the names and stories of the OT.

Seriously, what is your issue with Islam? You seem filled with some kind of blind and inexplicable rage. You're sitting here spewing stubborn propaganda as if you're dead set on turning people away from the practice of Islam.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Mien Kamph means" my struggle" or" my jihad " a best seller in Islamic countries.
Id say you have an opinion on this and have not done much research .
Mohammad struggle was psychical .

Shirk is worse than Killing

Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:

[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Are you referring to me?
I am genuinely interested in looking beyond the slogans of both sides.

How 'bout THIS side??????​

February 8, 2011​

"When American soldiers come forward with tales of divisive evangelism run amuck in the military--for example, proselytizing by commanding officers, coerced attendance at revival meetings, distribution of Bibles to Afghanis or Jesus coins to Iraqis-- one problem they face is that people find the stories too outrageous to be credible. A combat soldier being forced to pick hairs out of a latrine because he wouldn't pray? Another being told he's responsible if any of his buddies die? An Iraqi child post-IED given a tract that shows dead Iraqis going to hell and Americans (aka Christians) going to heaven? Some folks have accused the Military Religious Freedom Foundation of making this stuff up. Military officials insist that each event was the isolated actions of individual soldiers and lacked official sanction.

One recent scandal left little room for such framing. Soldiers flooded the MRFF (pronounced murf) with complaints about an obligatory "spiritual fitness test" on which freethinkers got docked points for their lack of religion, and some got referred to mandatory counseling -with chaplains. Two hundred twenty six have signed onto a lawsuit to block the test, which is required annually for active duty soldiers both at home and on tours of duty."

Official Sanction of Church-State Violations in the Military​

 

[L.K.Eder]

I have shown that Islams traditions are pre Islamic , not spawned from the spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.

That's irrelevant. There are many religions and/or denominations that have traditions incorporated into their worship that predate the religion itself. Hell, Christians celebrate Christmas which is largely a holiday of Pagan ritual, such rituals predating Christianity. That doesn't mean that Christianity ceases to be an offshoot of Judaism.

I have shown it is not possible for Mohammed's blood line to be connected to Abraham .

Actually, you've claimed that it was not possible, and have offered nothing in support thereof. But honestly, the historicity of Abraham is largely suspect, with many biblical scholars writing Abraham off as a mythical and literary creation. Furthermore, repeating the false premise that Mohammad has to have blood lineage tying him to Abraham will not make it any more true. It's a false premise, no such lineage is necessary in order for Islam to worship the same god as attributed to Abraham.

Mohammad's only real connection to Judaism and Abraham is an attempt to hijack the religion by stealing the names and stories of the OT.

Seriously, what is your issue with Islam? You seem filled with some kind of blind and inexplicable rage. You're sitting here spewing stubborn propaganda as if you're dead set on turning people away from the practice of Islam.

fitnah is on a crusade.

he considers himself to be a scholar who puts the spotlight onto cockroaches, and someone who educates the unwashed masses about the evils of islam.

he recently posted that he has little time for people with strong opinions about matters they know nothing about.

fitnah may not know nothing about islam, but my advice is to invest little time in taking him seriously.

if you do you will find holes in every little "fact" he posts.

don't bother pointing them out to him, he will discard it.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Rage?
I hadn't noticed any raging in my posts or in yours you have remained civil as well.

If Islam doesn't follow Abrahamic traditions,
and Mohammad has no blood connection to Abraham.
Im not sure what pillar the claim rests on.

Islam could be called a monotheistic religion.
Your position that Mohammad can be a prophet of the god of the jews and deliver a altered message is illogical and absurd.

I dont see any authentic connection between being a Prophet of God in the tradition of Abraham and Mohammad.
His job description doesnt make him sound like a prophet of god.

Im thinking we may have to agree to disagree.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yes it is understood as a muslim you have certain beliefs these beliefs are not bound by facts.

For Islam we will look at Islamic history.
The Khuza tribe was removed the Jurhum tribe for stealing the tributes they lost control over the zamzam and the kaaba. An accumulation of gods to visit for all tribes
Jurhum was a place people passed through they paid tribute in the hajj.

Circumambulating the cube was a pre Islamic ritual.

Every tribe has shrines that were circled,
Al-Uzza was worshiped and circled in the Nakhla shrine.
Manat worshiped and circled by the Aus and Khazraj in Yathrib.

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi :
The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka’bah and say:
By Allat and al-‘Uzza,
And Manah, the third idol besides.
Verily they are the most exalted females
Whose intercession is to be sought.


Fasting the Sabeans fasted for 30 days from night to sunrise,celebrated Eid and prayed for the dead without kneeling.
Mohammaed lifted this ritual whole with one change the sabeans Pages of Seth directed them to pray 7 times a day 5 of which were at the same hours as chosen to be copied by Mohammad.

Islamic rituals from Pre Islamic times. Not from Abraham.

In other words, your complaint is that you believe Islam to be a false religion. Okay, fine. But just because YOU don't believe in Islam does not mean that it's not an Abrahamic faith. Stop being so egocentric.

I have shown that Islams traditions are pre Islamic , not spawned from the spiritual tradition identified with Abraham.
I have shown it is not possible for Mohammed's blood line to be connected to Abraham .
Mohammad's only real connection to Judaism and Abraham is an attempt to hijack the religion by stealing the names and stories of the OT.

Is anybody the least-bit-troubled ALL o' these tomes were written by MEN.....with an OBVIOUS-AGENDA??!!!!

(See: CONTROL)​

"According to the Biblical creation story God initially created the first human, a man named Adam, from dust and the life-force proceeding from God's own mouth; thereafter God created a woman named Eve from one of Adam's ribs.

According to the Islamic creation story in the Qur'an, before creating Adam from clay by uttering the simple word "Be", Allah informed the Angels of His divine plan to "create a vicegerent on earth". When they asked him "will You place therein one who will do harm and shed blood, while we, we hymn Your praise and sanctify You?" He said: "Surely I know that which you know not."

HERE​

It's truly amazing that there are still grown, mature adults....that (actually) believe all this happy-horseshit....because someone wrote it, yeeeeaaaarrrrs-ago....yet, they can't agree (with others) over something a little-more recent....like U.S. History!!

​

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I understand how the term Abrahamic religion is used .
I think my objection is it is a tool of little use.
Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

fitnah is on a crusade.

he considers himself to be a scholar who puts the spotlight onto cockroaches, and someone who educates the unwashed masses about the evils of islam.

he recently posted that he has little time for people with strong opinions about matters they know nothing about.

fitnah may not know nothing about islam, but my advice is to invest little time in taking him seriously.

if you do you will find holes in every little "fact" he posts.

don't bother pointing them out to him, he will discard it.

Bullshit.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3285675-post50.html

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I understand how the term Abrahamic religion is used .
I think my objection is it is a tool of little use.
Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Worse then of little use I think it is an invention to main stream Islam.
It isnt something you run across from books written 100 or more years ago. It is a product of the new age and politcal correctness.

 

[Sunni Man]

fitnah is on a crusade.

fitnah may not know nothing about islam, but my advice is to invest little time in taking him seriously.

if you do you will find holes in every little "fact" he posts.

don't bother pointing them out to him, he will discard it.

You nailed him delux.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

fitnah is on a crusade.

fitnah may not know nothing about islam, but my advice is to invest little time in taking him seriously.

if you do you will find holes in every little "fact" he posts.

don't bother pointing them out to him, he will discard it.

You nailed him delux.

Bullshit.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/3285675-post50.html

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Back on track
Muslim Brotherhood text reveals scope of radical creed

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Marcus cited passages in the text that urge Muslims to wage jihad only when circumstances are ripe.

“The Brotherhood is not rushed by youth’s enthusiasm into immature and unplanned action which will not alter the bad reality and may even harm the Islamic activity, and will benefit the people of falsehood,” Mashhur wrote.

“One should know that it is not necessary that the Muslims repel every attack or damage caused by the enemies of Allah immediately, but [only] when ability and the circumstances are fit to it.”

Jihad is the Way explicitly endorses the reinstatement of a worldwide Islamic regime.

“It should be known that jihad and preparation towards jihad are not only for the purpose of fending off assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world.”

“Jihad for Allah,” Mashhur wrote, “is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, and the State of Islam established.”

Hassan al-Banna, the movement’s founder, “felt the grave danger overshadowing the Muslims and the urgent need and obligation which Islam places on every Muslim, man and woman, to act in order to restore the Islamic Caliphate and to reestablish the Islamic state on strong foundations.”

Despite its universal message, the book attaches particular significance to the Holy Land.

“Honorable brothers have achieved shahada [martyrdom] on the soil of beloved Palestine, during the years ’47 and ’48, in their jihad against the criminal, thieving, gangs of Zion,” it says.

“Still today, memory of them horrifies the Jews and the name of the Muslim Brotherhood terrifies them.”

Elsewhere, Mushhar wrote, “The imam and shahid Hassan Al-Banna is considered as a martyr of Palestine, even if he was not killed on its soil ... in all his writings and conversations, he always urged towards jihad and aroused the desire for seeking martyrdom ... he did not content himself only with speech and writing, and when the opportunity arrived for jihad in Palestine, he hurried and seized it.”

Wielding a broader brush, Mashhur wrote, “The problems of the Islamic world – such as in Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Eritrea or the Philippines – are not issues of territories and nations, but of faith and religion.

They are the problems of Islam and all Muslims, and their resolution cannot be negotiated and bargained by recognizing the enemy’s right to the Islamic land he stole, and therefore there is no other option but jihad for Allah, and this is why jihad is the way.”

 

[L.K.Eder]

fitnah is on a crusade.

he considers himself to be a scholar who puts the spotlight onto cockroaches, and someone who educates the unwashed masses about the evils of islam.

he recently posted that he has little time for people with strong opinions about matters they know nothing about.

fitnah may not know nothing about islam, but my advice is to invest little time in taking him seriously.

if you do you will find holes in every little "fact" he posts.

don't bother pointing them out to him, he will discard it.

Bullshit.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3285675-post50.html

that post started good, but it was almost a year too late, and you did not stop at "i stand corrected".

so, no cigar, clown.

 

[gautama]

fitnah is on a crusade.

fitnah may not know nothing about islam, but my advice is to invest little time in taking him seriously.

if you do you will find holes in every little "fact" he posts.

don't bother pointing them out to him, he will discard it.

You nailed him delux.

Sunnibitch, you are the enemy. And, those that support you, whether they know it or not, are Muslimarselickers....and. indirectly .....also the Enemy Within.

Most of the MuslimArselickers are ignorant LIEberrhoids.

Fitnah's comments are spot on.

The fact that you find fault with them is that Fitnah exposes your Muslim Bullshit.

 

[sparky]

so unsnarl me then

what's the dif bettween lying MuslimArselickers & lying ChristianArselickers?