Murtha: Army 'Broken, Worn Out'

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    provi The Associated Press
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    LATROBE, Pa. (AP) -- Most U.S. troops will leave Iraq within a year because the Army is "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth," Rep. John Murtha told a civic group.

    Two weeks ago, Murtha created a storm of comment when he called for U.S. troops to leave Iraq now. The Democratic congressman spoke to a group of community and business leaders in Latrobe on Wednesday, the same day President Bush said troops would be withdrawn when they've achieved victory, not under an artificial deadline set by politicians.

    Murtha predicted most troops will be out of Iraq within a year.

    "I predict he'll make it look like we're staying the course," Murtha said, referring to Bush. "Staying the course is not a policy."

    Murtha, 73, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, expressed pessimism about Iraq's stability and said the Iraqis know who the insurgents are, but don't always share that information with U.S. troops. He said a civil war is likely because of ongoing factionalism among Sunni Arabs, and Kurds and Shiites.

    He also said he was wrong to vote to support the war.

    "I admit I made a mistake when I voted for war," Murtha said. "I'm looking at the future of the United States military."

    Murtha, a decorated Vietnam war veteran, said the Pennsylvania National Guard is "stretched so thin" that it won't be able to send fully equipped units to Iraq next year. Murtha predicted it will cost $50 billion to upgrade military equipment nationwide, but says the federal government is already reducing future purchases to save money.

    Murtha, who represents a western Pennsylvania district that includes Latrobe, was first elected to Congress in 1974.

    Lt. Col. Chris Cleaver, spokesman for the Pennsylvania National Guard at Fort Indiantown Gap, said "there are some deployment concerns."

    Cleaver said some guard units had to leave equipment in Iraq when they returned to the United States, which could cause training problems here.

    But Cleaver also said most of the 2,100 Guard troops now deployed with the 2nd Brigade Combat Team can't be sent back to Iraq for a second tour of duty anyway, because of regulations that limit redeployment.

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    So, when's the lynching? I head Savage on tonight calling him a traitor and ranting for several minutes about how his Vietnam service card is just a bunch of bullcrap that apparently doesn't qualify him to make decisions.
     
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    are, unfortunately, susceptible. Namely, he has lost his faith in his country, his fellow citizens, and his fellow servicemen. It happens. I've seen it in my own family. Call it age, call it senility, call it a lack of belief in the next generation. Whatever it is refered to as, call it what it is, defeatism. I don't know why, short of the general,overall, ultimate, defeat in Vietnam, but alot of servicemen from that conflict have expressed defeatism since that time in many American foreign policy ventures. Whether it was the cold war, the gulf war, or the current war on terrorism I've listened to several Vets opinions that "all is lost", "victory is impossible", etcetera. I, as a post baby boomer know this, we will have victory, in all things we as an American people desire, if, and only if, we have the will as a people to achieve it. This naysayism is the ONLY thing in the way to stop us.
     
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    Cheap-ass political positioning----the dems are scared shitless the war thing is gonna work out and they have no idea what side of the fence to jump on nor when. Just look at Hillary do the 2-step. :sleep:
     
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    Not to dismiss Murthas take on the war as it relates to his service in Vietnam...every combat vet forms opinions based on personal experience...Being a VN era vet I and all of my friends and associates who served during this war(VN) blame the pull out on politicians...so they conceded to defeat not the soldiers...maybe Murtha was directing his anger on his colleagues in Congress he just did not express it correctly! :crutch:
     
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    The honorable Mr Murtha is to be commended for his years of service both in peace and in war. However, he doesn't seem to understand that current actions can cancel past accomplishments. Case in point, JFKerry. Case in point; Any Catholic priest convicted of child molesting. Basically he is screwing the pooch, and this dog may turn around and bite.
     
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    And he has been doing such for a long time. Damn the MSM for calling him 'a strong supporter of the military.'
     
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    Check this out:

    http://miserabledonuts.blogspot.com/2005/12/army-broken.html
    And Major John:

     

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