Murphy Brown and Unmarried Moms

[Truthmatters]

Heres the deal.

women thoughout history were treated as their husband property.

Then society said "hey thats not fair" and changed it.


Now you have a society were both men and women can leave a marriage any time they see fit.


what you are calling for is a return to women being chattle and NOT being able to leave whent they want?


Or you are calling on women to stay in a unfunctioning relationship because doing so will be better for the child?


Or are you calling for women to do something to stop their man from leaving the relationship?

what should they do?


Or are you calling for women to not be allowed to have children UNLESS they are married?


PC this is mankind perfecting itsself.


This is part of the path that leads us to REAL and Equal relationships.

Ones where the men and women are equally responsible for the relationship AND the child rearing.


You cant go straight to One member of the relationship being a piece of property to a perfect world in a few years.


This is a man kind learning process.


Going right back to the past means NOT learning

 

[Dreamy]

You mean the right to work outside the home?


You mean the right to decide for themselves how their lives should be lived?

Nah I would say this is more about the intelligent obligation to NOT have sex without using BC, to not make babies with men who you know are losers, to not make babies that you plan on having the State support....you know the usual things one might expect of thinking grown ups.

 

[Truthmatters]

and the man doesnt have the same responsibility?

 

[Truthmatters]

This is the world adjusting to new realities.


Women will NEVER go back in time so you feel better about yourself.


this is just one more way to show how the cons veiw the world.

They are always looking for negative way to veiw others so they can feel superior

 

[Dreamy]

and the man doesnt have the same responsibility?

Of course. Who said they did not?

 

[Sunni Man]

and the man doesnt have the same responsibility?

The ultimate responsibility for pregnancy is with the woman.

The man could give a fake name and just disappear never to be seen again.

But the women is the person left with the end result......pregnancy.

 

[Dreamy]

This is the world adjusting to new realities.


Women will NEVER go back in time so you feel better about yourself.


this is just one more way to show how the cons veiw the world.

They are always looking for negative way to veiw others so they can feel superior

There are stupid women and men out there doing stupid things. Normally not a problem until it affects the children and the fact is the stupidity and selfishness of some parents is affecting the children in a negative way. Place your blinders on but the truth will still be there sadly.

With freedom often comes responsibility. Touting one and ignoring the latter is well.... narrow minded and rather shortsighted. Children pay for the foolish choices of their parents.

 

[PoliticalChic]

blaming everything on single motherhood is insane

You're right....lots of blame accrues to the Liberal philosophy.

you mean the philosophy that women are not chattle and have a right to leave if they are beaten?

No, silly.....

....the philosophy that puts out the trash...like " A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."


You don't believe that...do you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean the right to work outside the home?


You mean the right to decide for themselves how their lives should be lived?

When was it that women didn't have the right to work outside the home?
I must have missed that......

 

[PoliticalChic]

Heres the deal.

women thoughout history were treated as their husband property.

Then society said "hey thats not fair" and changed it.


Now you have a society were both men and women can leave a marriage any time they see fit.


what you are calling for is a return to women being chattle and NOT being able to leave whent they want?


Or you are calling on women to stay in a unfunctioning relationship because doing so will be better for the child?


Or are you calling for women to do something to stop their man from leaving the relationship?

what should they do?


Or are you calling for women to not be allowed to have children UNLESS they are married?


PC this is mankind perfecting itsself.


This is part of the path that leads us to REAL and Equal relationships.

Ones where the men and women are equally responsible for the relationship AND the child rearing.


You cant go straight to One member of the relationship being a piece of property to a perfect world in a few years.


This is a man kind learning process.


Going right back to the past means NOT learning

"Heres the deal."

1. Let’s eat Grandma. ...2. Let’s eat, Grandma.
Punctuation saves lives.

 

[Dreamy]

You mean the right to work outside the home?


You mean the right to decide for themselves how their lives should be lived?

When was it that women didn't have the right to work outside the home?
I must have missed that......

Simply deflection from TM. The mirror offers a painful image of the truth.

Choose your potential sperm donors with care women. Use your wonderful freedoms wisely because in the end even if you like to pretend that unborn life is nothing much it sure becomes a living breathing needing to be fed and clothed reality in a very short time if you "choose" to let it be born. So please spare me the woe is me BS about bad men doing you wrong. Don't get pregnant by bad men. Problem solved. Remember that freedom thingy. Use it and stop getting laid by crappy men.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Heres the deal.

women thoughout history were treated as their husband property.

Then society said "hey thats not fair" and changed it.


Now you have a society were both men and women can leave a marriage any time they see fit.


what you are calling for is a return to women being chattle and NOT being able to leave whent they want?


Or you are calling on women to stay in a unfunctioning relationship because doing so will be better for the child?


Or are you calling for women to do something to stop their man from leaving the relationship?

what should they do?


Or are you calling for women to not be allowed to have children UNLESS they are married?


PC this is mankind perfecting itsself.


This is part of the path that leads us to REAL and Equal relationships.

Ones where the men and women are equally responsible for the relationship AND the child rearing.


You cant go straight to One member of the relationship being a piece of property to a perfect world in a few years.


This is a man kind learning process.


Going right back to the past means NOT learning

1. How you could possibly read that a child's father never had any relationship with the child, and post the nonsense above, is beyond me.


2. "'Fridges and washing machines liberated women': researcher

Université de Montréal professor studies impact of household technology
The advent of modern appliances such as washing machines and refrigerators had a profound impact on 20th Century society, according to a new Université de Montréal study.

Plug-in conveniences transformed women's lives and enabled them to enter the workforce, says Professor Emanuela Cardia, from the Department of Economics.
Within a short time-span, household technology became accessible to the majority. In the late 1910s, a refrigerator sold for $1,600 and 26 years later such appliances could be purchased for $170. Access to electric stoves, washing machines and vacuum cleaners was also generalized.

"These innovations changed the lives of women," says Professor Cardia."
'Fridges and washing machines liberated women': researcher


3. Technology....not the Leftist propaganda you've imbibed.

 

[Katzndogz]

blaming everything on single motherhood is insane

You're right....lots of blame accrues to the Liberal philosophy.

you mean the philosophy that women are not chattle and have a right to leave if they are beaten?

Not only are these women not beaten, they don't even know who the fathers are. So either these women have a propensity to only choose to have sex with men that beat them, or being beaten is an excuse to justify having children from men whose names they don't know.

 

[Katzndogz]

You mean the right to work outside the home?


You mean the right to decide for themselves how their lives should be lived?

They have to right to decide for themselves that they should live lives of slothfulness and indulgence, they just don't have to right to impose their decisions on everyone else.

They have a right to choose to have children, not work, not provide for themselves or their children. They just don't have a right to the proceeds of someone else's labor.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I have never understood the outright shortsightedness and stupidity of any woman who feels insulted when people talk about the importance of fathers.
Men do not feel slighted when people talk about the importance of mothers...so why do women feel insulted when people praise fathers?
SIngle parenting is not as beneficial as a mother and a father regardless if it is a man or a woman who is the single parent. No one would disagree that a child is better off without an abusive father than no father - likewise with a terrible mother. but that does not change the irrefutable fact that a good mother and a good father is the ideal situation.

Some people cringe when a "life mirror" is placed in front of them and the image is not flattering.

Ideally women and men should want to give their children the best lives possible. Based on the decisions of some parents I would clearly say that goal is not being met and some of them knowingly, yes knowingly and willingly, created the dismal impoverished lives they and their children live.

Indeed...but thanks to today's self-centered culture and self righteous attitudes - there is no shame anymore in being selfish and putting your wants and desires above others needs.

 

[Sunni Man]

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[PoliticalChic]

I have never understood the outright shortsightedness and stupidity of any woman who feels insulted when people talk about the importance of fathers.
Men do not feel slighted when people talk about the importance of mothers...so why do women feel insulted when people praise fathers?
SIngle parenting is not as beneficial as a mother and a father regardless if it is a man or a woman who is the single parent. No one would disagree that a child is better off without an abusive father than no father - likewise with a terrible mother. but that does not change the irrefutable fact that a good mother and a good father is the ideal situation.

Some people cringe when a "life mirror" is placed in front of them and the image is not flattering.

Ideally women and men should want to give their children the best lives possible. Based on the decisions of some parents I would clearly say that goal is not being met and some of them knowingly, yes knowingly and willingly, created the dismal impoverished lives they and their children live.

Indeed...but thanks to today's self-centered culture and self righteous attitudes - there is no shame anymore in being selfish and putting your wants and desires above others needs.

Sociologist Helmut Schoeck’s observation: “Since the end of the Second World War, however, a new ‘ethic’ has come into being, according to which the envious man is perfectly acceptable. Progressively fewer individuals and groups are ashamed of their envy, but instead make out that its existence in their temperaments axiomatically proves the existence of ‘social injustice,’ which must be eliminated for their benefit.”
Helmut Schoeck, “Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior,” p. 179

 

[PoliticalChic]

yeah women shouldnt exsist without fathers

The branch of Liberalism known as 'feminism' has destroyed women.

To be specific....what is known in the literature as Second Wave Feminism...."The slogan 'the personal is political' sums up the way in which Second Wave Feminism did not just strive to extend the range of social opportunities open to women, but also, through intervention within the spheres of reproduction, sexuality and cultural representation, to change their domestic and private lives."
http://www.georgetowncollege.edu/Departments/ws/1st,_2nd,_3rd_wave.htm

The true end game of feminism was lesbianism.

Interesting observation....and certainly true for some, but only a tiny part of the 'feminism' picture.
This requires a little history….


1. . “Under Horkheimer’s leadership the Neo-Marxist hotbed, the Frankfurt School, attracted some brilliant scholars and intellectuals such as Theodor Adorno, Eric Fromm, Wilhelm Reich, Walter Benjamin, Leo Lowenthal and Herbert Marcuse. Like Trotsky, Luxemburg, Lukacs, Bela Kun and other notable European Marxists in the early 1900s, many of the Frankfurt scholars were secular Jews, a fact that the Nazis successfully exploited in their propaganda regarding a “Jewish conspiracy” of Communist intellectuals who were perverting German society.” http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005_docs/PC1.pdf

a. The Critical Theorists held a common commitment to Neo-Marxism and the belief that Western civilization has been an imperialistic and repressive force in human history – especially, Western Christianity. In their view, Western civilization was built on aggression, oppression, racism, slavery, classism and sexual repression.

b. It had to be destroyed to assure the victory of Marxism. For this reason, there is a straight line from the Frankfurt School to the formation in many colleges and universities of programs, and departments of African-American Studies, Ethnic Studies, Feminist Studies, Peace Studies, and LGBT (Lesbian/Gay/Bi-sexual/Transgender) Studies.

2. In short, feminism is but one facet of the many headed-hydra called Leftism.




3. As such, it is no more than gender-dressed totalitarianism. Proof that its aim is to dictate to women, exactly what they can and cannot do? Sure:

a. Logical as it seems that women should be prepared for events such as divorce and widowhood, marriage and family may reduce opportunities for outside work or education. But the solution, according to Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan is “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”
“Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

b. Like all totalitarian movements, the goal is not to give more freedom, but to take away choice.



4. So, rather than based on sexual preference, feminism is just one more way of splintering the electorate, and telling each segment that it is being 'oppressed'...and only big government can save them.

 

[longknife]

CHART: America's Disappearing Fathers

by directorblue at Doug Ross Journal blog.

Truly tragic: A Washington Times piece @ Fathers disappear from households across America - Washington Times gives us the following:

In every state, the portion of families where children have two parents, rather than one, has dropped significantly over the past decade. Even as the country added 160,000 families with children, the number of two-parent households decreased by 1.2 million. Fifteen million U.S. children, or 1 in 3, live without a father, and nearly 5 million live without a mother. In 1960, just 11 percent of American children lived in homes without fathers...

Read more at the link. We wonder about youth violence and drug use and ignore the break up of families. It is unnatural to have single parent families. We are genetically divided into man and woman with traits that make for successful propagation. To ignore this results in the type of society we see being created.

 

[Moonglow]

I've had 5 Dads.What a lucky guy I is. Of course only one wants anything to do with me and he is not my biological Dad.
I was a single parent(1986-1993) We did ok. My son is now 28 and drives a semi across the nation. In no way did he fail in society or in maturity. He is not a drunk, drug abuser or criminal. I believe you people must have forgotten about the 50% divorce rate that has been with us for a generation. Try not to make a mountain out of a molehill.