Murders up 33%...33,341...in Mexico, with extreme gun control for the law abiding....

[2aguy]

Yep....Mexico has extreme gun control....for law abiding Mexican citizens....for the drug cartels and their police and military minions? Not so much.....

Good thing the good guys can't get guns to defend themselves.....right?

Murders In Mexico Exploded In 2018, Shattered Records

The number of murders in Mexico exploded in 2018 by 33% as the narco-state broke its all-time record for the number of murders in a year for the second year in a row.

"Investigators opened to 33,341 murder probes compared with the previous year’s record of 25,036, according to information from the Interior Ministry published on Sunday," Reuters reported. "Mexico has struggled with years of violence as the government has battled brutal drug cartels, often by taking out their leaders. That has resulted in fragmentation of gangs and increasingly vicious internecine fighting."

 

[JoeB131]

Yep....Mexico has extreme gun control....for law abiding Mexican citizens....for the drug cartels and their police and military minions? Not so much.....

Mexico doesn't have extreme gun control. Mexico has the exact same wording we have from the Second Amendment.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....Mexico has extreme gun control....for law abiding Mexican citizens....for the drug cartels and their police and military minions? Not so much.....

Mexico doesn't have extreme gun control. Mexico has the exact same wording we have from the Second Amendment.

Yes, Mexico has extreme gun control....they have Gun Rights on paper only, exactly what you morons want. There is one gun store in the entire country. The gun store is controlled by the Mexican military and you need special permission to buy the few models of gun they offer there.....of course, the Mexican military is often working with the drug cartels, and the police as well....so law abiding people have no legal means to get guns, while the drug cartels have all the military grade weapons they want...

Mexico is a gun control paradise...with the murder levels that go with it....

 

[candycorn]

If more guns equals less gun deaths...we should have none because we are the most heavily armed society in the developed world.

Instead we have the most gun deaths of any society (by far) in the developed world.

Those are the facts...now back to the spin.

 

[2aguy]

If more guns equals less gun deaths...we should have none because we are the most heavily armed society in the developed world.

Instead we have the most gun deaths of any society (by far) in the developed world.

Those are the facts...now back to the spin.

And if you knew the actual data, you wouldn't have just posted what you just posted....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop criminals, that is to save lives. This is according to research done by the Centers for Disease Control......Also, over the last 26 years, as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down 49%....our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%.....since that is the case, it is obvious that law abiding people with guns do not drive the crime rate even as more and more of them not only own guns but carry them....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

If more guns equals less gun deaths...we should have none because we are the most heavily armed society in the developed world.

Instead we have the most gun deaths of any society (by far) in the developed world.

Those are the facts...now back to the spin.

Some more truth about Mexico...

Borderland Homicides Show Mexico's Gun Control Has Failed | Ryan McMaken

The general scenario remains the same. In fact, the borderland on the US side of the border have fewer homicides than the US overall. The authors note:
The map [above] illustrates the striking disparity between homicide rates on each side of the border. In 2012 (the most recent year available for all locations), Mexican border municipalities experienced 34.5 murders for every 100,000 people. By contrast, the homicide rate in US border counties was only 1.4, far below the US national average (4.7), and a tiny fraction of that experienced by their Southern neighbors. While almost half of the Mexican municipalities along the border experienced more than 40 murders per 100,000 people in 2012 (176 in Tamaulipas’ Ciudad Mier), the highest homicide rate in the US border counties was 12.9 (Yuma, AZ). The next most violent county experienced only 5.4 murders per 100,000 people. Notably, some of the safest locations in the United States are contiguous to many of the most dangerous places in Mexico. Most striking is the contrast between Ciudad Juárez and El Paso, two large cities that constitute a binational metropolitan area. Once called “the murder capital of the world,” Mexico’s Ciudad Juárez is only 300 feet from El Paso, “America’s safest city.” In 2012, Ciudad Juárez had 58 homicides per 100,000 people, while El Paso experienced fewer than one (0.6).
So why is there such an immense difference here?

Restrictive Gun Laws in Mexico

The pre-packaged retort to this phenomena often repeated in the media is that the US causes the high homicide rates in Mexico by exporting guns to Mexico. We're told that criminals go into the US, buy guns legally in Texas (for example) and then sell the guns illegally to cartels in Mexico.

Dave Kopel has shown that this claim isn't true.

But, even if it were true, it wouldn't explain much by itself since we're left asking ourselves why criminals don' just do the same thing to the same homicidal effect in the United States. If it's so fruitful for violent criminals to buy guns in the US and sell them to organized crime rings, why aren't those criminals doing the same thing in the US?

Well, the answer is the criminals probably are are well armed in the US, and have a lot of guns just like criminals in Mexico do. The difference in actual crimes carried out, however, likely lies in the fact that law abiding Mexicans have been disarmed, while law abiding Americans have not.


Gun laws are very restrictive in Mexico, as The Atlantic notes:

Mexico can hardly be described as a heavily armed society. With around 2.5 million registered gun owners and at least 13 million more illegal arms in circulation, the country has a ratio of just 15 guns for every 100 people, well below the global average.

Unlike in the U.S., civilian possession in Mexico is considered a privilege, not a right and is tightly regulated under federal law since the 1970s. Extensive background checks are required of all purchasers, and there are heavy penalties and even imprisonment for non-compliance. Astonishingly, there is just one legal gun shop in the country, compared to more than 54,000 federally licensed firearm dealers and thousands of pawnshops and gun shows scattered across the U.S.


In other words, in Mexico, there is an immense asymmetry in gun ownership between violent criminals and law-abiding citizens. Criminals have abundant access to the means of violent coercion, and the will to use it. Ordinary citizens, on the other hand, have, practically speaking, no access. Meanwhile, local officials can be bought by the criminals, which means that private citizens will then find themselves facing two heavily armed groups who are free to behave maliciously toward the general population with little fear of reprisals.

 

[JGalt]

II predict that some America-hating leftist will chime in "It's our fault because we like Mexican drugs" in 3...2...1...

 

[candycorn]

Again, if more guns reduced gun deaths, we should have none. Instead, we have the most gun deaths in the entire developed word.

 

[2aguy]

Again, if more guns reduced gun deaths, we should have none. Instead, we have the most gun deaths in the entire developed word.

And the truth....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Meanwhile, in Britain.......gun and other violent crime keeps going up after they banned guns...they banned guns....so according to you they should have no gun crime...so how do you explain increasing gun crime in Britain...?

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

And if gun control worked, British police wouldn't have to worry about more guns in Britain....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, Mexico has extreme gun control....they have Gun Rights on paper only, exactly what you morons want. There is one gun store in the entire country. The gun store is controlled by the Mexican military and you need special permission to buy the few models of gun they offer there.....of course, the Mexican military is often working with the drug cartels, and the police as well....so law abiding people have no legal means to get guns, while the drug cartels have all the military grade weapons they want...

Mexico is a gun control paradise...with the murder levels that go with it....

You left out the part where gun stores on the border send 250,000 guns into Mexico every year....

 

[candycorn]

Clearly if more guns made a society safer, we should have the safest society ever; But instead, we have both the most guns of any developed nation AND the highest number of gun deaths.

No wall of cherry-picked stats will change those two facts.

Spin away little boy.

 

[harmonica]

they starved in Somalia and stole food from the kids because everyone had a firearm

 

[2aguy]

Yes, Mexico has extreme gun control....they have Gun Rights on paper only, exactly what you morons want. There is one gun store in the entire country. The gun store is controlled by the Mexican military and you need special permission to buy the few models of gun they offer there.....of course, the Mexican military is often working with the drug cartels, and the police as well....so law abiding people have no legal means to get guns, while the drug cartels have all the military grade weapons they want...

Mexico is a gun control paradise...with the murder levels that go with it....

You left out the part where gun stores on the border send 250,000 guns into Mexico every year....

And that too is a lie.....

The drug cartels are using military grade weapons, sold to them by members of the Mexican military, from other Latin American countries or brought in from Europe and China.....and of the rest?

Mexico’s gun control laws: A model for the United States?

Whatever the exact percentage, it is incorrect to assert that purchases from American gun stores for the purposes of smuggling into Mexico are the prime source of American guns in Mexico. To the contrary, of the Mexican guns that are successfully traced to the U.S., the average firearms age is fifteen years, according to data compiled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives. The age of these guns is strong evidence that they were legal American guns that were stolen and then sold into the black market–and not guns which were bought at a gun store as part of a plan for them to be immediately transported to Mexico.

Of course there are exceptions, including the “Fast & Furious” and “Wide Receiver” programs run by the Phoenix BATFE office, to facilitate the export of new American guns to Mexican drug trafficking organizations.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, Mexico has extreme gun control....they have Gun Rights on paper only, exactly what you morons want. There is one gun store in the entire country. The gun store is controlled by the Mexican military and you need special permission to buy the few models of gun they offer there.....of course, the Mexican military is often working with the drug cartels, and the police as well....so law abiding people have no legal means to get guns, while the drug cartels have all the military grade weapons they want...

Mexico is a gun control paradise...with the murder levels that go with it....

You left out the part where gun stores on the border send 250,000 guns into Mexico every year....

And that too is a lie.....

The drug cartels are using military grade weapons, sold to them by members of the Mexican military, from other Latin American countries or brought in from Europe and China.....and of the rest?

Mexico’s gun control laws: A model for the United States?

Whatever the exact percentage, it is incorrect to assert that purchases from American gun stores for the purposes of smuggling into Mexico are the prime source of American guns in Mexico. To the contrary, of the Mexican guns that are successfully traced to the U.S., the average firearms age is fifteen years, according to data compiled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives. The age of these guns is strong evidence that they were legal American guns that were stolen and then sold into the black market–and not guns which were bought at a gun store as part of a plan for them to be immediately transported to Mexico.

Of course there are exceptions, including the “Fast & Furious” and “Wide Receiver” programs run by the Phoenix BATFE office, to facilitate the export of new American guns to Mexican drug trafficking organizations.

 

[August West]

Yep....Mexico has extreme gun control....for law abiding Mexican citizens....for the drug cartels and their police and military minions? Not so much.....

Mexico doesn't have extreme gun control. Mexico has the exact same wording we have from the Second Amendment.

Yes, Mexico has extreme gun control....they have Gun Rights on paper only, exactly what you morons want. There is one gun store in the entire country. The gun store is controlled by the Mexican military and you need special permission to buy the few models of gun they offer there.....of course, the Mexican military is often working with the drug cartels, and the police as well....so law abiding people have no legal means to get guns, while the drug cartels have all the military grade weapons they want...

Mexico is a gun control paradise...with the murder levels that go with it....

Someone must be helping the bad guys in Mexico acquire guns. Does the NRA have a franchise in Mexico?

 

[2aguy]

Yep....Mexico has extreme gun control....for law abiding Mexican citizens....for the drug cartels and their police and military minions? Not so much.....

Mexico doesn't have extreme gun control. Mexico has the exact same wording we have from the Second Amendment.

Yes, Mexico has extreme gun control....they have Gun Rights on paper only, exactly what you morons want. There is one gun store in the entire country. The gun store is controlled by the Mexican military and you need special permission to buy the few models of gun they offer there.....of course, the Mexican military is often working with the drug cartels, and the police as well....so law abiding people have no legal means to get guns, while the drug cartels have all the military grade weapons they want...

Mexico is a gun control paradise...with the murder levels that go with it....

Someone must be helping the bad guys in Mexico acquire guns. Does the NRA have a franchise in Mexico?

It is the Mexican government, the Chinese government, the governments in other latin American countries.....you know the ones who ban guns for law abiding citizens.....and the democrat party here in America is doing it's best to keep violent gun criminals on the streets shooting people while the NRA fights to keep those criminals locked up....

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds