Murder At The Carwash

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    First the story, then Victor Davis Hanson's analysis...

    1. A woman found slain at a Hanford car wash this week was killed randomly when a 17-year-old gang member happened to see her while taking a walk, Hanford police said Thursday. Denise McVay was washing her car — something she did several times a week — early Tuesday morning before work. The teen was wandering the streets after leaving a party when he saw McVay at the Royal Car Wash on Garner Avenue at about 5 a.m. and decided to kill her, police said.

    2. The teen “simply wanted to kill somebody that night” and McVay, 49, was “in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Capt. Parker Sever said. “It was a purely random act.” The teen stabbed McVay several times and slit her throat....the teen was covered with blood ...went with him to Visalia Mall, where the teen used McVay’s money to buy clean clothes...The teen, whose name was not released because of his age,... Thursday, July 28, 2011
    By Paula Lloyd / The Fresno Bee

    Hanson:
    3. ...confused American society. First, note the discrepancy between the employed Ms. McVay — washing her car in the early morning hours on her way to work, apparently intent on having a clean automobile when she arrived — and the unidentified youth who, we are told at first, was “taking a walk,” later expanded into “wandering the streets after leaving a party.” How did we go so nonchalantly in a mere two paragraphs from “taking a walk” to “wandering the streets after leaving a party”?

    4. Note, furthermore, that our society has no compunction about letting the world know the identity of Ms. Denise McVay, who was horribly murdered and left dead on the pavement of a car wash. But it is worried that we might learn the name of the “17-year-old gang member,” also known as an anonymous “teen.”

    5. In the transition from a shame culture to a guilt culture, America has become a confused society that values the sensitivities of the felonious living far more than respect for the law-abiding dead.

    6. Unfortunately, the story only becomes more depressing. We next read that the anonymous teen “simply wanted to kill somebody that night,” and, unfortunately, Ms. McVay, 49, was “in the wrong place at the wrong time.” So a Capt. Parker Sever goes on to characterize the fact that “the teen stabbed McVay several times and slit her throat” as “a purely random act.”

    7. The law-enforcement officer, who no doubt means well, nonetheless describes a productive worker, striving to clean her car, as “in the wrong place at the wrong time.” ... Ms. McVay, in fact, was in the right place at the right time, and she should have had every expectation that that she could go to the car wash before work without worry that a murderous gang-banger would slit her throat.

    8. What sort of abjectly amoral society have we become...Snapshot of a Sick Society - Victor Davis Hanson - National Review Online


    If only this story had had a happy ending, along the lines of:

    "Denise McVay, age 49, was washing her car at 5am, when she had occassion to put to use the training she had with her legally licensed .380 ACP, putting to an end the murderous rampage of an unnamed teen."

    Amen.
     
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    I agree this murder was horrible and senseless and most likely perpetrated by a sociopath who deserves to be locked away.

    I find Hanson's analysis to be a bizarre reach.

    First, I don't really find it necessary to wax on about why this sociopath was on the streets when he was. I doubt it was a deliberate editorial decision.

    Secondly, McVay was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nowhere in the Bee's documentation of the matter is she blamed for that. It's just one of those things people say when something horrible happen to try and mentally deal with the randomness and senselessness of such a thing. The sad fact in this case is that, if not McVay, it would have been someone else. The monster was apparently on a murderous rampage.

    Finally, as for not releasing the name:

    Hanson quotes the original article from the Fresno Bee from July 28th.

    Loyd had no problem with naming the suspect, Jose Saldana, the next day after an arrest had been made.

    Services set for slain Hanford woman – Fresno Bee | The Fresno News

    Hilariously, Hanson's article is from yesterday. So he's whining that Loyd didn't name the suspect in the original article when before an arrest had been made but fails to mention that she named the suspect the next day? Is he just sloppy or dishonest?

    I find the story sad.

    I find Hanson's need to pimp it to cry about what he really wants to harp on, his perceived decline of our morals to be truly sick. As sick as he claims the rest of us are.

    He's (laughably) part of the problem he whines about?
     
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    Well you didn't agree to my addendum....

    So....can I assume that you won't subscribe to my idea to cut the TSA out of airport security: hand out guns to all passengers when they get on the plane, and collect 'em when they leave....

    Oh, yeah...and you get double sky-miles if you pop one of the bad guys.....
    good idea?
     
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    If only the criminal had read Victor Davis Hanson, he would probably have decided crime didn't make any sense and instead would have joined Victor in a right wing think tank propagandizing on how society was deteriorating, making big bucks doing so, and while his writing wouldn't stop any crime, or have any positive effect on society, he could have felt good about himself and thus move through life never ever seeing it or wondering why. If only.....
     
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    So you forgive the 17 year old, but vilify Mr. Hanson?

    Give me 30 seconds alone with him. I'll turn him into a productive member of society. His remains will fertilize crops.
     
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    If the perp was white and the victim was black the story would be about a hate crime but since it doesn't mention race we can console ourselves with the fact that no hatred was involved.
     
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    I didn't see any point in commenting on it. The fact is, every time something violent happens in the country happens, certain people use that as an excuse to make some silly argument that we arm every citizen.

    An argument that is completely absurd. A weapon is a tool. It's useless in the hands of a person that has no knowledge or desire to use it. I, for one, don't want to carry a weapon. I have no illusions or fantasies about being a gunslinger. I've been on the pragmatic end of that and know the reality of the matter. I also know that many people see a gun as a security blanket and aren't psychologically prepared to pull the trigger. These people are at high risk for being shot with their own weapon.

    As for your idea. It stinks. You would have every citizen on a plane breaching the hull of an aircraft with poorly aimed shots at any perceived threat? What about the passenger that decides to go ballistic for no apparent reason? Why do you think Sky Marshal's train so hard? So they hit what they shoot at.

    Bad idea. Go sit in the corner.
     
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    At least the prick wouldn't have murdered an innocent woman. Something you seem to be OK with. Why am I not surprised.
     
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    Why do you think burglars don't target just any old house? Why do robbers go after particular targets all the time? Yep you guessed it. The fear that an armed citizen will kill them precludes their depradations on most targets. Here's a test for you. I suggest you place a sign in your window stating that you hate guns and don't have any. How long do you think it will be before you have a wonderful person invite themselves into your home?

    You see dear person. You reap the benefit of bad guys not knowing who has weapons so they are selective in who they attack. If a bad person knew that everyone was armed on a plane (other then former felons and mental cases and of course those who truly did not want to carry a weapon or who were incapable, the odds are that nothing would happen as the second the perp tried something somebody would kill him.

    For all their vaunted training Sky marshals havn't stopped a single incident I can recall. It has been the aircrew and passengers doing the stopping.
     
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