MTP: Climate Change Discussion - no Deniers

[whitehall]

Why did they change the wording from "global warming"? Maybe the globe ain't warming but the climate constantly changes?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.

Well that's just complete nonsense. For instance,heavily investing in solar energy research in order to speed up the time it takes for it to be cheaper and cleaner would greatly reduce emissions for all future generations.

No it wouldn't. There are limited reserves of indium and other rare elements needed for solar energy, and most of those reserves are in places like Red China. Solar is a dead end as far as supplying the majority of America's growing energy needs.

That's a silly response. For one, half the point is to improve the tech and make it more economical....so placing constraints on it based on how it is done today is to miss the point entirely. Furthermore, I noticed your little parlor tricks there. Nobody said it would need to supply the majority of our energy needs all by itself, notrhas anyone said it is the only thing we should do to create sustainable energy.

You literally hit all 3 of the most popular specious denier tactics in about 3 sentences.

 

[progressive hunter]

Sorry, my agenda is the environment, the future of my kids and not leaving them saddled with an environmental catastrophe. Sorry, if that disappoints you.

so tell us how many trees you planted last yr???

LOL my back yard is a jungle because I have refused to cut down a single tree.

that didnt answer my question,,,how many trees did you plant last yr??

I ask because any honest environmentalist knows that trees are the only real solution,,,,all the rest is just fascist bullsht

He can't tell the difference between planting and not cutting.

You guys are really the crown fools of deflection. I have planted trees all over my yard. Do you really have to be led by the hand on every statement.

but how many,,,4-5 trees are not going to save the world


and since your commitment only includes your own yard its clear youre a fraud

and I can only assume you live in a house and drive a car,,,so for you to tell us what we should do while its you thats the problem is hypocrisy at its best

come back and talk to us when you fixed your own house and the problems you cause

 

[Polishprince]

Why did they change the wording from "global warming"? Maybe the globe ain't warming but the climate constantly changes?

It considered "climate change" after Labor Day, it will revert to "global warming" after Easter.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

but how many,,,4-5 trees are not going to save the world

Which is exactly why your tired old denier tack here is absurd. Cut it out.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It considered "climate change" after Labor Day, it will revert to "global warming" after Easter.

Haha, this is so dumb. I am quite certain you have no idea why you just sounded so dumb.

 

[progressive hunter]

I would consider the following:

Cap and Trade
Honor the Paris Accords limits.
A graduated gas tax. The gas tax would be used to fund green infrastructure.
Investment in green energy and technology
Extended Tax credits for hybrid, electric and plug in cars
Extended tax credits for investments in residential and commercial projects that utilize green energy
.

The reason why you would consider these ideas, because you would consider them regardless of climate change or anything else.

The solution was drawn up first, and the problem was decided on later.

If someone came up with a Free Market solution to bad weather, you'd reject it out of hand. The idea of the whole scam is to impose socialism.

The truth be told, America is one of the least polluted countries on the planet. Red China, Russia, other nations are much dirtier. They just need to do what we're doing.

My proposals were free market solutions. For heaven's sake cap and trade is a republican idea.

cap and trade is fascist not free market

 

[Billy_Bob]

Watching Meet the Press. They have dedicated the whole hour to climate change. They have no deniers on the panel and as Chuck Todd correctly stated the science is long since settled. Now it is time to discuss solutions.

A recent poll shows even a majority of Republicans do not dispute anthropogenic climate change.
Opinion | More Republicans Than You Think Support Action on Climate Change

I applaud Meet the Press. Time to push deniers and their pseudo science to the curb or back into closet. Choose your metaphor. They are just standing in the way and are no more than obstructionists.

We need to discuss only solutions and adaptations.

The only way an alarmist can win the case without any evidence is to do it in an ECHO, Echo, Echo Chamber.. The science is NOT settled. Only a moronic fool who denies science believes that it is.. (In other words a Political Whore)

 

[Crepitus]

I don't have all the answers, but fuel economy standards such as the ones tRump is trying to fuck up are definitely part of it.

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.


It would give the government massive power and funds to oppress US and lower our quality of life.

That's nice kid.

 

[Correll]

you still have Millions of cars all over the world
that's a drop in the bucket
if the climate has changed, it's too late to do anything--it's changed

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.


It would give the government massive power and funds to oppress US and lower our quality of life.

That's nice kid.

Your admission that you cannot refute my point is accepted.


So, since you admit that your proposals would not work, what is your real agenda?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The only way an alarmist can win the case without any evidence is to do it in an ECHO, Echo, Echo Chamber..

Really? Last I checked the entire global scientific community has reached a consensus...while, on the other hand, the deniers have been relegated to soothing each other anonymously on internet message boards. I.e., echo Chambers.

So, um, yeah, you pretty much got that one ass backwards.

 

[Crepitus]

If you get a diagnosis of cancer are you gonna say: "If I've got cancer I've got cancer, it's too late to do anything, I've already got it."?

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.


It would give the government massive power and funds to oppress US and lower our quality of life.

That's nice kid.

Your admission that you cannot refute my point is accepted.


So, since you admit that your proposals would not work, what is your real agenda?

That's nice kid.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So you applaud bias and non diversity. Got it.

I applaud the need to change the debate to action and adaption. The science is settled. There are people still debating whether the earth is round. Time to move on or we will get nowhere.

Action and adaptation? Show me where the multi billions, some estimate over a trillion, has resulted in any meaningful action or adaption.

Well that is the purpose of the debate. To get to a solution that will work.

You want a solution to a made up fantasy problem... Priceless..

 

[Correll]

The only way an alarmist can win the case without any evidence is to do it in an ECHO, Echo, Echo Chamber..

Really? Last I checked the entire global scientific community has reached a consensus...while, on the other hand, the deniers have been relegated to soothing each other anonymously on internet message boards. I.e., echo Chambers.

So, um, yeah, you pretty much got that one ass backwards.

What you mean is you have never really checked. You have been told that, and it is want you want to hear so that was the end of it as far as you are concerned.

 

[Correll]

Sometimes that is the right response, actually.


And all lefties have offered, is IF your analysis is correct, is to reduce your level of smoking. NOt stop. SLIGHTLY REDUCE.


That is not a solution. It is not even really a good coping mechanism. It is playing with yourself.

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.


It would give the government massive power and funds to oppress US and lower our quality of life.

That's nice kid.

Your admission that you cannot refute my point is accepted.


So, since you admit that your proposals would not work, what is your real agenda?

That's nice kid.

Your sophist games are noted and dismissed.


What is your real agenda? What is this really about?

 

[Polishprince]

If climate change is "settled" , why didn't B. Hussein O do anything about it when he was ruling?

Its either he had no political courage, or he realized it was bullshit and the people weren't convinced and they would tar and/or feather him and his fellow leftards.

 

[Billy_Bob]

global scientific community has reached a consensus.

Wrong again...

Only 380 UN and related scientists agree on the political agenda called Global Warming... They change the name now 7 times as their scam was uncovered and this last time they made it just veg enough that any change can be stated to be mans fault without proof or even one shred of physical evidence to prove it..

Still waiting for your idiots to provide observed empirical evidence and the science to back it up that is not model derived fiction.

 

[Crepitus]

Ok, so you're just a fatalist. I hope for your sake you never get that diagnosis.

Those of us with common sense are gonna try to save the planet, ok?

NOTHING, proposed by you guys, would "save" the planet from the "problem" you claim to be worried about.


It would give the government massive power and funds to oppress US and lower our quality of life.

That's nice kid.

Your admission that you cannot refute my point is accepted.


So, since you admit that your proposals would not work, what is your real agenda?

That's nice kid.

Your sophist games are noted and dismissed.


What is your real agenda? What is this really about?

Sophist games?

I'm shooing you off. Nothing more.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If climate change is "settled" , why didn't B. Hussein O do anything about it when he was ruling?

He did, pay attention.

 

[progressive hunter]

The only way an alarmist can win the case without any evidence is to do it in an ECHO, Echo, Echo Chamber..

Really? Last I checked the entire global scientific community has reached a consensus...while, on the other hand, the deniers have been relegated to soothing each other anonymously on internet message boards. I.e., echo Chambers.

So, um, yeah, you pretty much got that one ass backwards.

please dont peddle that lie,,,the entire global scientific community has not reached a consensus ,,,