Mr. President its not that your telling us the sky is blue......

What was the need for another spending bill then?

I'm being a little bit obtuse to try and get you to realize what I'm getting at.
I understand exactly what you are getting at. His quote was, "If I say the sky was blue, Republicans would say no it isn't." You are playing with his words to order to convey the idea that president is threating a disaster, the sky is falling, unless we support his ideas. He not only did not say or imply this, but it is uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use such scare tactics. That's the opposition's claim.

"If we pass the stimulus unemployment will not rise above 8%"
"If we fail to act now the economy could collapse"
"if nothing is done this recession could last for years"

There are 3 examples of Obama, in his own words, doing exactly what you claim he doesn't.

Here is another article filled with the stuff Barack Obama - The Action Americans Need - washingtonpost.com
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.
 
I understand exactly what you are getting at. His quote was, "If I say the sky was blue, Republicans would say no it isn't." You are playing with his words to order to convey the idea that president is threating a disaster, the sky is falling, unless we support his ideas. He not only did not say or imply this, but it is uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use such scare tactics. That's the opposition's claim.

"If we pass the stimulus unemployment will not rise above 8%"
"If we fail to act now the economy could collapse"
"if nothing is done this recession could last for years"

There are 3 examples of Obama, in his own words, doing exactly what you claim he doesn't.

Here is another article filled with the stuff Barack Obama - The Action Americans Need - washingtonpost.com
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.

my bad I misread what you typed.

The dems are scare tactic central lately...if you disagree with us your a bigot, if you disagree your a racist, if you dont pass our ideas the economy will collaps, if you dont support our healthcare reform you want to kill children, ect ect.
 
"If we pass the stimulus unemployment will not rise above 8%"
"If we fail to act now the economy could collapse"
"if nothing is done this recession could last for years"

There are 3 examples of Obama, in his own words, doing exactly what you claim he doesn't.

Here is another article filled with the stuff Barack Obama - The Action Americans Need - washingtonpost.com
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.

my bad I misread what you typed.

The dems are scare tactic central lately...if you disagree with us your a bigot, if you disagree your a racist, if you dont pass our ideas the economy will collaps, if you dont support our healthcare reform you want to kill children, ect ect.

Dems don't have a monopoly on scare tactics.

I don't see the republican party getting behind candidates that have serious plans to reduce the size of government. To the contrary, I see them distancing themselves, and denegrating such candidates and their plans.
 
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.

my bad I misread what you typed.

The dems are scare tactic central lately...if you disagree with us your a bigot, if you disagree your a racist, if you dont pass our ideas the economy will collaps, if you dont support our healthcare reform you want to kill children, ect ect.

Dems don't have a monopoly on scare tactics.

I don't see the republican party getting behind candidates that have serious plans to reduce the size of government. To the contrary, I see them distancing themselves, and denegrating such candidates and their plans.
And yet the people of those canidates in their respective states are standing behind these canidates who have such plans. ;).

When I see conservatives like Carl Rove and Liberals like Bill Maher both attacking these canidates it makes me think that said canidate must be the best choice if the 2 parties that have totally screwed up how the government runs the country are both against them.
 
my bad I misread what you typed.

The dems are scare tactic central lately...if you disagree with us your a bigot, if you disagree your a racist, if you dont pass our ideas the economy will collaps, if you dont support our healthcare reform you want to kill children, ect ect.

Dems don't have a monopoly on scare tactics.

I don't see the republican party getting behind candidates that have serious plans to reduce the size of government. To the contrary, I see them distancing themselves, and denegrating such candidates and their plans.
And yet the people of those canidates in their respective states are standing behind these canidates who have such plans. ;).

When I see conservatives like Carl Rove and Liberals like Bill Maher both attacking these canidates it makes me think that said canidate must be the best choice if the 2 parties that have totally screwed up how the government runs the country are both against them.

We should take a picture of Rove and Maher in bed together while we have the chance.:razz:
 
Dems don't have a monopoly on scare tactics.

I don't see the republican party getting behind candidates that have serious plans to reduce the size of government. To the contrary, I see them distancing themselves, and denegrating such candidates and their plans.
And yet the people of those canidates in their respective states are standing behind these canidates who have such plans. ;).

When I see conservatives like Carl Rove and Liberals like Bill Maher both attacking these canidates it makes me think that said canidate must be the best choice if the 2 parties that have totally screwed up how the government runs the country are both against them.

We should take a picture of Rove and Maher in bed together while we have the chance.:razz:


Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb
 
I understand exactly what you are getting at. His quote was, "If I say the sky was blue, Republicans would say no it isn't." You are playing with his words to order to convey the idea that president is threating a disaster, the sky is falling, unless we support his ideas. He not only did not say or imply this, but it is uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use such scare tactics. That's the opposition's claim.

"If we pass the stimulus unemployment will not rise above 8%"
"If we fail to act now the economy could collapse"
"if nothing is done this recession could last for years"

There are 3 examples of Obama, in his own words, doing exactly what you claim he doesn't.

Here is another article filled with the stuff Barack Obama - The Action Americans Need - washingtonpost.com
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.

No. Only liberal economists though the stimulus was needed. The GAO said that the stimulus would create an unsustainable debt and most economists agreed with that. The lapdog media, on the other hand, only printed the opinions of liberal economists.
 
"If we pass the stimulus unemployment will not rise above 8%"
"If we fail to act now the economy could collapse"
"if nothing is done this recession could last for years"

There are 3 examples of Obama, in his own words, doing exactly what you claim he doesn't.

Here is another article filled with the stuff Barack Obama - The Action Americans Need - washingtonpost.com
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.

No. Only liberal economists though the stimulus was needed. The GAO said that the stimulus would create an unsustainable debt and most economists agreed with that. The lapdog media, on the other hand, only printed the opinions of liberal economists.

3.5 years after "stimulus" and we have a national debt that is 30% larger than it was the day our current president took office and unemployment is still over 8%.
 
I said it was uncharacteristic of the Democrats to use scare tactics. Every politician and both parties will make statements as to the negative outcome of not passing proposed legislation.

Economist across the board agreed that the stimulus package was needed and if nothing was done the recession could last for many years.

No. Only liberal economists though the stimulus was needed. The GAO said that the stimulus would create an unsustainable debt and most economists agreed with that. The lapdog media, on the other hand, only printed the opinions of liberal economists.

3.5 years after "stimulus" and we have a national debt that is 30% larger than it was the day our current president took office and unemployment is still over 8%.

Inevitably huge amounts of cash being spread about:

Justice Department Probing Widespread Stimulus Fraud

Justice Department Probing Widespread Stimulus Fraud
By ERIC PIANIN, The Fiscal Times April 6, 2012

In what is shaping up as another troubled chapter in the saga of the Obama Administration’s economic stimulus program, the Justice Department is investigating whether billions of dollars worth of federal highway and transportation programs are rife with fraud and abuse.

About $48 billion of the $825 billion authorized by Congress and the administration under the 2009 American Recovery & Reinvestment Act (ARRA) went to support existing highway and transit infrastructure projects, like the massive Fulton Street Transit Center project in lower Manhattan. Eighty-eight percent of those funds have been spent, and nearly 80 percent of the projects have been completed as part of the government’s efforts to create new jobs.

But federal investigators have uncovered widespread financial management problems with many of the projects. As of early March, federal authorities were investigating 66 cases of alleged false statements, bid rigging, fraud and embezzlement, according to a report by Calvin L. Scovel III, the Department of Transportation’s inspector general. Justice Department lawyers are scouring 47 of those cases for potential prosecution, according to Scovel.

Twenty-five of those cases involve alleged fraud by minority-owned or operated enterprises that received preferential treatment in the awarding of the contracts, while 22 involve allegations of false claims. Investigators are also looking into nine cases of alleged violations of the prevailing wage law, three involving corruption and one case involving embezzlement, according to a report Scovel presented to the House transportation appropriations subcommittee on March 29. A spokesman for Scovel’s office declined to provide further details of the ongoing investigation, but stressed, “We take very seriously any allegations of waste, fraud, abuse or violations of the law.”

An aide to the subcommittee chairman, Rep. Tom Latham, R-Iowa, described the probe as an “ongoing investigation” and said subcommittee members have not yet been briefed on the details. “Hopefully the report will be coming shortly from the inspector general,” the aide told The Fiscal Times.

ANOTHER SCANDAL
The investigations into a signature Obama administration economic program could add to President Obama’s political headaches as he campaigns for reelection this fall. Republicans on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee already are planning hearings later this month into a General Services Administration scandal that brought down the agency’s administrator, Martha N. Johnson, and two of her senior deputies earlier this week. The resignations were prompted by a scathing GSA inspector general’s report issued Monday that detailed GSA’s misuse of $823,000 of funds to finance an extravagant employee training conference in Las Vegas in October 2010.

The massive economic stimulus program was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama in 2009, in the depths of the worst U.S. recession in modern times. The president and his Democratic allies say the program was essential to prevent the economy from tipping into a Depression, and advocates claim the stimulus package “created or saved” an estimated 2 million jobs. Many Republican leaders and conservative analysts dispute the administration’s claims about the overall benefits and say it has had little residual benefit.

Since shortly after its enactment, Republican Sens. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and John McCain of Arizona have lambasted the legislation as a waste of money that has fostered scores of unnecessary or foolish programs. Those included $4.7 million towards development of private supersonic jet travel years after the Concorde last flew, $2 million to help build a replica railroad as a tourist attraction in Nevada and nearly $1 million to help beef up security on a private entertainment cruise ship. ...
 
I mean c'mon Mr President enough with the insults, schoolyard bully tactics, and holier than though attitude its time for you to lead the nation, we need you to lead!!!!


You said if you told your opposition the sky was blue they would say no its not.

The thing is your telling us the sky is blue and unless we support your ideas that same blue sky is going to fall down all around us. We dont buy your "if you dont support me the sky will fall" claims. We feel the sky, like it has done over history, will stay blue and stay where it is so get it straight if your going to act like a smartass.

EDIT: Oops I ranted in public :lol:

He is leading.

I gather that you're just not one of his followers.

How is he leading? He just tells American's to suck it up, the country is in the state it is in because I inherited this situation and everything I have done has failed but it is not my fault. It is the administration before me.

He did nothing to move health care along, his budget garnered zero Dems votes. He whines about the high court, he blames oil issues not on policies but on others and the greedy. He blames the rich, the right, Wall St. And on and on. He takes every issue and finds blame, not solutions. He divides not unites, he is not a leader. He is an excuse.
 
I mean c'mon Mr President enough with the insults, schoolyard bully tactics, and holier than though attitude its time for you to lead the nation, we need you to lead!!!!


You said if you told your opposition the sky was blue they would say no its not.

The thing is your telling us the sky is blue and unless we support your ideas that same blue sky is going to fall down all around us. We dont buy your "if you dont support me the sky will fall" claims. We feel the sky, like it has done over history, will stay blue and stay where it is so get it straight if your going to act like a smartass.

EDIT: Oops I ranted in public :lol:

He is leading.

I gather that you're just not one of his followers.

How is he leading? He just tells American's to suck it up, the country is in the state it is in because I inherited this situation and everything I have done has failed but it is not my fault. It is the administration before me.

He did nothing to move health care along, his budget garnered zero Dems votes. He whines about the high court, he blames oil issues not on policies but on others and the greedy. He blames the rich, the right, Wall St. And on and on. He takes every issue and finds blame, not solutions. He divides not unites, he is not a leader. He is an excuse.

The part I made big shows a GIANT lack of leadership.
 

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