Mother Mary is here to stay

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    She crosses all lines and makes the world feel right. [​IMG]
     
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    What he said.
     
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    Speaking words of wisdom?
     
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    There are so many appearances she has made to different nationalities it is hard to keep track of, and each story is a new compelling adventure of a lifetime. I have not read that many to be honest, but I really like "Our Lady of the Forest" by David Guterson.

    She and Ann crossed at a stately pace Carolyn enforced. The others waited and let them walk ahead, though two sentinels followed at the minimum distance for private conversation. In the forest of blow-downs, hung from trees, were crucifixes, rosaries, crepe-paper roses, and a wooden cross clearly carved on the spot by a pilgrim adept with a pocketknife and adept at braiding strips of cedar bark into a rudimentary twine. Along the trail--tucked into the furrows of the firs, spiked into rotting logs with twigs, weighted down under spruce cones and stones--were bits of paper bearing petitions, some in small plastic bags, others in sealed envelopes, others folded into origami birds, others embellished with artwork or calligraphy, and these were collected by a pair of Ann's followers and dropped into mushroom buckets. Set about on stumps and logs were statues of the Rosa Mystica, the Black Madonna, Our Lady of Lourdes, the Infant of Prague, a lamb, Our Lady of Fátima, and Our Lady of Scottsdale. There were also lighted votive candles, miraculous medals, and a variety of small framed photographs--of the pope smiling beneficently, Teresa of Ávila, John of the Cross, and Christ beneath his crown of thorns, suffering cryptically. This is a little weird, said Carolyn. All these strange little forest totems. All of this weird religious stuff just sitting out here like this.

    There's going to be two more visits, said Ann. Our Lady has promised to come two more days. So twenty-four hours--it's not enough.

    Hey, said Carolyn. Don't complain. I got you over that bridge, didn't I? So let's cross the next one when we come to it, okay? We can worry about other stuff later.

    pp. 232-3
     
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    Mother Mary is more real to me that her Son.

    That's just how it goes for some folks.

    Jesus never said a damn word to me, but his Mom made her self known to me.

    And I appreciate that. And for that, I venerate Her.
     
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    Hello.

    I am not a Roman Catholic nor Muslim and respect Catholics and Muslims as people, but I have such a hard time with the teachings.... I simply disagree with Catholic's and Muslim's teachings about Mary because the Bible does not support the “ Catholislamic “ teachings involving Mary.

    I believe that it is important to realize, that at his death BEFORE Jesus The Anointed died, He said, " WOMAN look at your Son. " Here - - Mary’s younger son, thereafter - took MARY, His mother, alone, away in private - ALONE.

    The Greek word is a word meaning SEPARATE, ALONE private.... this word private is the same Greek word used in the verse that says that " no scripture is of any private interpretation "

    You will notice that When Jesus mentions Mary's LITERAL Son - in John 19:26- _ The Roman Catholic and Islamics do not take Jesus words as a literal meaning.

    The Greek word “ THY " son “ is the word G4675 - σου? - sou / soo = Meaning Of thee, thy: - thine (own), thou, thy. ... This Greek word is used nearly 500 times in the New Testament and it always means Your Own or thy own.

    I have noticed that Roman Catholic and Islamics honor Mary because of the great things they imagine about her, considering and demanding that because she was sinless, perfect, holy and pure and SPECIAL - “ Full of grace “ She was the chosen one . But The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of the sinful, repentant sinner " King David " . It did not specify an importance regarding if the virgin was perfect or sinless or the most holiest and pure-minded woman who ever existed. Or a woman who was living a life with the purpose of being a virgin As the Quran declares here in - Quran 66:12 “And (God sets forth the example for those who Believe) of Mary, the daughter of Heli, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into it through Our Angel (i.e., Gabriel), and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient.” (Quran 66:12)

    But The Bible does not lay importance on anything regarding that Mary had planned or plotted out her virginity or guarded her chastity. NEVER.
    The Bible does not say that Mary had lived a long lifetime or a short life and lived with an important goal and made the personal decision of abstaining and refusing sexual relations or marriage.

    We don't even know how old Mary was. - - Mat_1:23 and Luk_1:27 simply say that she was a virgin. - That's it....

    The Biblically designed point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect nun-like, single and never to be planning to be, a sexually active woman. But Mary was planning, plotting wanting sex and Joseph was planning marriage and sex too. And Joseph was instructed to not be afraid to get married and have sex because the child conceived in His new { to be } wife was from the Holy Spirit . And Joseph did not know Mary sexually UNTIL after they were married and Mary had borne Her firstborn son.

    Joseph and Mary were plotting, planning and preparing to get married and Joseph was fearful / afraid to take Mary as a wife because she was already pregnant.
    Joseph and Mary were not planning to abstain from sex . The Angel knew that they had a marriage plan and told Joseph directly - to not continue to be fearful -- and afraid, about the pregnancy. Obviously, they were worried about their sexual relationship and marriage and sexual future because Mary's sexuality and pregnancy was a very important matter in the relationship because Joseph thought she was already pregnant with someone else’s baby and had lied about the sexual activity. He was afraid, and upset and He was planning on putting her away and terminating the marriage. Because the factual plan in The Bible, was for Mary to be His normal wife sexually.
    Have the Roman Catholic and Islamic Mosque - simply added these false things and untruths directly upon the Biblical narrative and have they completely changed the message of God’s word. ? ?

    We see Mary's genealogy in Luke 3:24..

    REMEMBER - The Original Luke 3:24 simply begins to just simply list and lay out a simple list of names - one right after another after another and so on. The genealogy is ending in verse 23 by simply only naming the name Heli. Then ending verse 23 to 24 - It looks exactly as the following … … . Heli, Matthat, Levi, Melchi, Janna, Joseph, Mattathias, Amos, Naum, Esli, Nagge, Maath, Mattathias, Semei, Joseph, Juda, Joanna, Rhesa, Zorobabel, Salathiel, Neri, Melchi, Addi, Cosam, Elmodam, Er, Jose, Eliezer, Jorim, Matthat, Levi, Simeon, Juda, Joseph, Jonan, Eliakim, Melea, Menan, Mattatha, Nathan, David, Jesse, Obed, Booz, Salmon, Naasson, Aminadab, Aram, Esrom, Phares, Juda, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Thara, Nachor, Saruch, Ragau, Phalec, Heber, Sala, Cainan, ArphaX ad, Sem, Noe, Lamech, Mathusala, Enoch, Jared, Maleleel, Cainan, Enos, Seth, Adam, God ._
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    This was why Mary was chosen - The bible makes is clear that it was very crucial for the virgin to be from the seed of David. Her personal planning, plotting and goals of being a virgin or living a lifetime of chastity and staying / remaining a virgin has nothing to do with anything. And we know that She had never planned to be a virgin, She was getting married and Her husband was terminating the wedding because He could no longer have sex with her because she was cheating on Him.
    The angel knew that Mary was very afraid, worried and fearful - in Luke 1:30 - the angel told Mary to not be afraid and worried.

    Roman Catholic and Muslims honor Mary because of the great things they imagine about her, considering and demanding that because she was sinless, perfect, holy and pure and SPECIAL - “ Full of grace “ She was the chosen one . But The Prophecy and plan of God was to bring Jesus through the Line Of King David. It did not matter who the virgin was, out of the thousands of virgins throughout the land . ... The point was to be a descendant of King David, not to be born from a sinless, perfect woman who had lived a lifetime of virginity and or who plotted, planned and dedicated her life to being a virgin... I never hear Catholic and Islamic doctrine focusing on the Biblical teaching, it is all - only centered around the twisting of the original manuscripts. And Mary is portrayed as a young woman who was planning a marriage, not some older woman who had lived her life as a concentrated woman of God having abstained from sexual activity. As a young woman looking for a husband to marry and have a marriage and sexual relations with a husband .

    This was Mary's plan in her mind, her goals and interests and desires was to get married and have sexual relations with a man - NOT to be virgin ! or a nun, like. woman and never have sex or commit a sex act in her life. She was hunting, pursuing, seeking and pursuing, following sexual plan for a relationship with a male. In the eyes of the Roman Catholic and Islamic fantasy of the Mary of Catholic and Islamicism,

    How is this a holy woman who was sinless, pure and special; or any different from any other woman who was seeking a marriage, sex and a husband ? ?
    I read Gods word and I just can’t see how that the Mary of Catholic and Islam exists. And if Muslims are not interested in the Seed Of king David and Roman Catholics are also not interested - it seems that they make changes of the importance and point of everything in the Bible and modify it to their own personal interests. what do You think ?

    Please help me to understand ? IF I am wrong, I ask You to please show me in God’s word.
     
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    When Christ was on the cross, He looked down at his mother, and His disciple, John, who was not Mary's other son.
    Mary continued to preach. She moved to Ephesus, which is where most historians believe John retired to after being released from Patmos. He lived to be an old man. The only one of the 12 disciples to do so. I believe this is the reason: The only commandment out of the ten, to come with a blessing attached is, Honor your mother and father. The blessing is, And I will lengthen your days. John took care of Jesus' mother when Jesus couldn't.

    Mary was still able to fulfill her desire to marry Joseph. She was this wonderful little 14 yr old <(approximate) Jewish girl when she consented to carrying God's child. I asked the girls in my youth group if they would have said, "Yes" to that and they all raised their hands. Then I asked, "What if there was a firing squad in the parking lot ready to mow down every girl that raised their hand".
    That is what Mary faced. Stoning to death. But the little girl had guts. It wasn't going to be an easy job raising Jesus. Watching him suffer and die. But she remembered He said He was coming back. And He did.
    We venerate her today, but in her day, they killed Christians. Never the less, she spent her life being one and preaching the Good News. Her Son paid our debt, so we don't have to. And He lives.

    She was a wonderful woman that has no power, more or less, than we have. There was nothing extraterrestrial about her, no power other than the Holy Spirit power the other disciples displayed. And it returns to God at our demise. She can no more forgive our sins than we can. She is an adored Saint in Heaven and here on Earth, as well she should be. But only God can put our sins behind us, and only because they have already been paid for by His Son, not Mary.
    Christ said:
    "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
    Thank Mary in prayer for what she has given us. For allowing herself to be chosen. Ask God to bless her for Christ's sake. She should be Mother of the Year every year.
    But pray for forgiveness from our loving father, thru His Son. It was Christ's blood that enabled God to cover our sins, and put them behind Him, once and for all.
    And it is a gift. Accept the gift.
     
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    Here to stay or always has existed in a predated image persona and just plagiarised /rehashed/ retooled? Let's be intellectually and historically honest:
    The historical figure used for Mary was a 100bc harlot who had her son Yeshu through a fling with Roman soldier named Panderas (Panthera).
    MARY was not the mother of the Herod era Galilean tax revolter or Pilate era Jorden River Rome revolter christ figures.
    PAGAN MYTHOLOGY BORROWED FOR THE IMAGE MARY:
    Semiramis, as the female divinity, would be called Baalti. This word translated into English means "My Lady." In Latin it would be translated "Mea Domina". This name becomes the name "Madonna" which is the name by which Mary is often referred. The same reasoning can be applied to the name of "Mediatrix", which Mary is also called. Mary received that title from "Mylitta" (mediatrix) which was one of the names of the Mother Goddess of Babylon. "The Queen of Heaven" is another name for Mary that has been adopted from the pagan Babylonian religions.
    EASTER (ISHTAR) WAS THE mother of the morning star -who's father is Baal.
    Isis (is said to be Ishtar in Egyptians culture) is the
    WIFE OF THE SUN GOD BAAL father of the morning star therefore Isis is Ishtar (easter)
    Mary statues with son are actually predated Isis and baby Horus statues.
    Do the math: you call Jesus the morning star (baals son). You celebrate Ishtar (easter) where the fish comes out the egg.
    You use Isis statues as Mary.
    The holy trinity is mystery Babylon revealed as Baal(father), Isis (mother), Morning star Jesus(son who is the myth plagiarized masking worship of the father).
    This is why the number of his name:
    Baal Jesus=666 in ascll numerology.
     

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