Most logical School Shooting Solution: NOTHING; How bout that?

bucs90

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This debate about Sandy Hook is one I wish we never had to have. But...it happened, and we're having it. Whats the best solution? Most common sense one? How about nothing. Yep. NOTHING. We'll toss around new laws, new ideas, new policies, etc, etc. But nothing will really work.

How about some cold hard reality:

GUNS- We screwed the pooch decades ago on this one with allowing assault rifles to be owned by the civilian sector. BUT, we did it, and there is NO GOING BACK. Along with our open border, this one is just reality. Assault rifles on American streets is 100% permanent. We dont have the military/police manpower, political will, or simple logistical capability to reverse that. Assault weapons are here to say, forever, may as well get used to it.

ARMED GUARDS- Who will pay for it? Sure, right now there is political support. But what about in 5 years when the pay, benefits and pensions of those guards...who'll be cops mostly..are tossed into budget debates? Remember, we threw cops into every high school in the late 90's after Columbine. Now, they're basically armed babysitters, and parental and school discipline has been outsourced to the cops, sad but true. I guarantee the PD's will send the folks most unfit for patrol duty there to "get 'em off the road" as they'll view that elementary school as an extremely low risk, and drop their fat, bloated, pension-double-retirement dwelling cops on that duty. Then, hundreds of parents will view it as wasted money (in a few years).



Nothing is going to change. We are knee-jerk reacting. But this is simply the reality of modern American life. The sooner we get over that, and accept it, the sooner we'll adapt. There is no SOLUTION. But...we can change how we do business.

I'd immediately push this: Legalize weed. Redirect ALL police resources that were used to enforce weed laws to school safety.

Thats an immediate, realistic change. Wont cost much. Just redirect priorities.
 
How about we make steel doors mandatory at schools.

The psycho retard would never have gotten in in the first place.
 
Parents with time can help just by being vigilant and spending time at their children's schools.

While our STATE authorities are reccomending armed guards, this is what our COMMUNITY is doing.

Yeah, perfect world, but not realistic. Most parents dont spend time with kids at home. They let XBox and Ipod raise their kids now. They are in line at school drinking coffee (some with vodka) trying to drop their kids off to the school asap and get the hell out of there for some free time.

We've outsourced parenting and discipline to XBox, Ipod, the schools and, sadly, now the cops.

Trying to get parents to re-engage with their kids is a lost cause.
 

Thanks for yet another of your intelligent, thought-out responses. You add so much to debates.

A debate where you proposed.... nothing?

LOL

Thats right. Because neither solution will work. There was an "armed guard" (police SRO) at Columbine. Didn't work.

We cannot eliminate assault rifles from our streets. 100% no chance.

But those are the two big knee-jerk solutions.

Im saying stop all the knee-jerk reaction shit, accept reality, and find ways to change our day to day actions. There is no magic solution.

I did, however, say legalize weed, and immediately redirect all police resources from weed to school safety. I doubt right wingers will support that though. They'll gladly fund banning a plant, but wont sacrifice that ban in exchange for more school safety resources.
 
Most logical School Shooting Solution: NOTHING; How bout that?

Laziness;
The Teabagger-Option

Yeah....that's worked so well, so far.

handjob.gif
 
Parents with time can help just by being vigilant and spending time at their children's schools.

While our STATE authorities are reccomending armed guards, this is what our COMMUNITY is doing.

Yeah, perfect world, but not realistic. Most parents dont spend time with kids at home. They let XBox and Ipod raise their kids now. They are in line at school drinking coffee (some with vodka) trying to drop their kids off to the school asap and get the hell out of there for some free time.

We've outsourced parenting and discipline to XBox, Ipod, the schools and, sadly, now the cops.

Trying to get parents to re-engage with their kids is a lost cause.

Very true. However it is working here. Now admittedly we are a small community, and that makes some difference. But in reality it only takes 8 of us to observe the school during the week. half day apiece, all parents and in my case grandparents. Again it's a small town, and the cops can be here in minutes.

Plus there is the added benefit of getting to know the other children, as well as spend more time with your own.
 
Most logical School Shooting Solution: NOTHING; How bout that?

Laziness;
The Teabagger-Option

Yeah....that's worked so well, so far.

handjob.gif

The BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL AGENDA:

Declaring open season on law-abiding citizens by removing their rights to self-defense.

Mainstreaming the mentally ill into our society, without treatment plans.

Pretending that inanimate objects made of metal and plastic are capable of killing people.
 
You can betcher bottom that the soldiers of Islam noticed just how exquisitely vulnerable US schools are and are makin' their plans, and the plans they make are gonna tend to the naughty side, rather than the nice. You know how the Allahu Akhbar guys are, if not google Mumbai or Beslan, they specialize in making not only their physical victims bleed, but everyone watching from safe locations too.
Obama's kindred bros will be here soon, guaranteed, because Barack plays by only two sets of rules, "Let The Muslim Win" and "what can we do that's best for America's enemies.?"
We shoulda realized that on January 20th, 2009 when the bust of Winston Churchill, graciously given by the British People, was unceremoniously tossed by Obama into the WhiteHouse garbage dumpster.
 
How about we make steel doors mandatory at schools.

The psycho retard would never have gotten in in the first place.
You have pointed the conversation in the proper direction. Rather than do nothing, let us all concentrate on methods of recognizing psycho retards and schizophrenic time bombs so we can incarcerate them or kill them. They are, after all, worthless to a peaceful society.

Once we have a way of recognizing them BEFORE they explode, we can stop these things from happening.

The removal of weapons of any particular sort will do little good, if any at all. A person with a criminal mind and criminal intent will obtain whatever weapons he chooses despite those weapons being illegal. I consider the US to be the most heavily armed population in the world. Criminals will NEVER give up theirs. Others should not be asked to do so.

Numerous times I have read stories that scrutinized the period before a mass shooting only to determine that there were warning signs and hints from the shooter regarding what was about to happen. Hindsight is always perfect and we can always say in these cases that we wish we could have put two and two together and predicted the crime in time to stop it from happening.

Other shootings will happen...no matter what we do. Mental illness and derangement is with us forever.
 
Most logical School Shooting Solution: NOTHING; How bout that?

Laziness;
The Teabagger-Option

Yeah....that's worked so well, so far.

handjob.gif

The BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL AGENDA:

Declaring open season on law-abiding citizens by removing their rights to self-defense.

Mainstreaming the mentally ill into our society, without treatment plans.

Pretending that inanimate objects made of metal and plastic are capable of killing people.

You have to have an assault weopon with 30 shots for self defense? If your ability to handle a gun is that poor, you shouldn't have any kind of gun at all.

That mainstreaming of the mentally ill started with Reagan.

Yes, inanimate objects in the hands of crazies are capable of killing people. We have seen that too many times this month. And the NRA continues to arm the crazies.
 
How about we make steel doors mandatory at schools.

The psycho retard would never have gotten in in the first place.
You have pointed the conversation in the proper direction. Rather than do nothing, let us all concentrate on methods of recognizing psycho retards and schizophrenic time bombs so we can incarcerate them or kill them. They are, after all, worthless to a peaceful society.

Once we have a way of recognizing them BEFORE they explode, we can stop these things from happening.

The removal of weapons of any particular sort will do little good, if any at all. A person with a criminal mind and criminal intent will obtain whatever weapons he chooses despite those weapons being illegal. I consider the US to be the most heavily armed population in the world. Criminals will NEVER give up theirs. Others should not be asked to do so.

Numerous times I have read stories that scrutinized the period before a mass shooting only to determine that there were warning signs and hints from the shooter regarding what was about to happen. Hindsight is always perfect and we can always say in these cases that we wish we could have put two and two together and predicted the crime in time to stop it from happening.

Other shootings will happen...no matter what we do. Mental illness and derangement is with us forever.

In our nation, if present trends continue, there will be more deaths by guns by 2015 than by traffic accidents.

Is this acceptable? Why?
 
How about we make steel doors mandatory at schools.

The psycho retard would never have gotten in in the first place.
You have pointed the conversation in the proper direction. Rather than do nothing, let us all concentrate on methods of recognizing psycho retards and schizophrenic time bombs so we can incarcerate them or kill them. They are, after all, worthless to a peaceful society.

Once we have a way of recognizing them BEFORE they explode, we can stop these things from happening.

The removal of weapons of any particular sort will do little good, if any at all. A person with a criminal mind and criminal intent will obtain whatever weapons he chooses despite those weapons being illegal. I consider the US to be the most heavily armed population in the world. Criminals will NEVER give up theirs. Others should not be asked to do so.

Numerous times I have read stories that scrutinized the period before a mass shooting only to determine that there were warning signs and hints from the shooter regarding what was about to happen. Hindsight is always perfect and we can always say in these cases that we wish we could have put two and two together and predicted the crime in time to stop it from happening.

Other shootings will happen...no matter what we do. Mental illness and derangement is with us forever.

In our nation, if present trends continue, there will be more deaths by guns by 2015 than by traffic accidents.

Is this acceptable? Why?

Please don't obfuscate the fact that just 6% of our population - black men - commit well over half of all deaths by guns in our country.

It is largely a black America problem.

Is this acceptable? Why?
 

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